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Judge Nai
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:54:00 -
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I've started my new Khanid combat character: 11 per, 8 will, 10 int, 6 mem.
I aim to become a vicious pirate and merc. I've set myself a goal. Absolutly NO mining, NO empire agent grinding, NO trading, and NO NPC ratting as sources of income. All that I have will be aquired at gun point.
Now, I'm looking to be as efficent as possible with my sp. Meaning learning to fly 1 race of ships and thats it.
Now, I'd like to fly Amarr ships, but Gallente ships seem much better for piracy. They are faster, have better mid slot options, and more options for damage types. However, I get the feeling that I'm going to need strong drone skills for Gallente ships.
Can Amarr ships be as effective as Gallente ships for piracy, and how so?
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:18:00 -
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Gallante... Pulse lasers generally have an op of 5km (med ones) which is really to far to be as effective as needed.
While gallante blasters are point blank (and arguably do more damage)
Drones also own.
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Ciaphas Khaine
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:21:00 -
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i wont lie- this is going to be very hard for you. while there are tons of glory stories of pirates making tons of money- the reality is for most of us pirating is not very lucrative untill you get alot better. your going to need a source of income early on- and your going to need to do that by agents and rat belts.
as for which ship class is better i would say gallente for sure- Amarr ships have UBER tanks but they simply dont put out the hurt enough untill you have very good skills- where as many gallente ships only require a minimum in skills and can be VERY effective. so id say Gallente if your going solo pirating.
anyways good hunting! YARRRR!!!!
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Ghargon
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:47:00 -
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Gallente ships are alot better to be honest for pirating unless you get to the battleships then theyr both as good as each other realy. However you can make an effective pirate using only amarr ships.
To do this youve just gotta set them up right allowing for their particular strengths.
For frigate piracy the punisher is great it may not be as fast but is a hell of alot more durable than most other frigates.The same applies for cruisers although you might not be as fast or agile you can still take alot more beating in an amarr ship than a gallente one (allowing for setups).
So realy amarr ships can be great for pirating youve just gotta get the setups right.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:51:00 -
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Gallente ships probably make better solo pirate boats.
However, if you can get a mate or two to join you, amarr ships will do just as well. You just have to assign a role to each ship in your gang, and you are all set.
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Judge Nai
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Posted - 2006.03.03 07:00:00 -
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Sigh, I guess I'll go gallente. Really wanted those lasers but oh well.
Ciaphas,
As for making it. I'm doing pretty good so far. I blew up a ice mining barge in Jita and scored an Ice Mining Turret which looks like it will sell for at least 2.5 mil.
Ore theiving, drone robbing and ice piracy is paying well enough so far. I'm not worried about isk for lost ships or buying skill books at this point.
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Mellow Willow
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Posted - 2006.03.03 07:17:00 -
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Good! Have balls and you might get somewhere with piracy :)
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Irashi
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Posted - 2006.03.03 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Judge Nai
As for making it. I'm doing pretty good so far. I blew up a ice mining barge in Jita and scored an Ice Mining Turret which looks like it will sell for at least 2.5 mil.
They lowered Jita's sec rating with the patch then did they? It wasn't low sec last time I was there...
That'd be awesome to wake up to though 
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.03.03 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Irashi
They lowered Jita's sec rating with the patch then did they? It wasn't low sec last time I was there...
Can flag + stupid miner = win
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:09:00 -
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Neither. Pirating is very naughty. Don't do it.
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DoMxj
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:16:00 -
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I agree that galente may be better for pirating
1)they have a better inty which is a primary ship for pirating it does not require massive skills as a BS it is relatively cheap and it can tackle and kill pretty good. Taranis is much much better than crusader or malediction
2) they have maybe the best all around cruiser thorax and also vexor which are both very good cruisers and with their drones u dont need alot of gunnery skills to hurt someone.
3)They have much better AF from amar which is another ship used alot for pirating again it can tackle kill sustain dmg and is relatively chep and not very skill intensive
So for pirating with a starting account i would go for gallente since u dont want to go for caldari !! (which btw has the best AF and Inty :)))))
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Anti AntiPirate
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ciaphas Khaine
i wont lie- this is going to be very hard for you. while there are tons of glory stories of pirates making tons of money- the reality is for most of us pirating is not very lucrative untill you get alot better. your going to need a source of income early on- and your going to need to do that by agents and rat belts.
as for which ship class is better i would say gallente for sure- Amarr ships have UBER tanks but they simply dont put out the hurt enough untill you have very good skills- where as many gallente ships only require a minimum in skills and can be VERY effective. so id say Gallente if your going solo pirating.
anyways good hunting! YARRRR!!!!
While I did fund my character initially with some ISK from my main account, I managed over 60M ISK in 1 week of pirating with a trial account (didn't actually undock until day 7, when I thought I had enough skills).
I used a Vexor, as I've found that it's exptremely effective when low skill points are imposed on a player, compared to other ships/setups. I would definitly go Gallente over Amarr. Minmitar isn't bad either though, with the Rupture having a lot of capability, especially as your character improves.
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2006.03.03 10:02:00 -
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whilst i agree with the general feeling of the thread and this posters other 2 points, this one made me laugh so hard it hurts.
Originally by: DoMxj
1)they have a better inty which is a primary ship for pirating it does not require massive skills as a BS it is relatively cheap and it can tackle and kill pretty good. Taranis is much much better than crusader or malediction
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DoMxj
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Posted - 2006.03.03 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Redwolf
whilst i agree with the general feeling of the thread and this posters other 2 points, this one made me laugh so hard it hurts.
Originally by: DoMxj
1)they have a better inty which is a primary ship for pirating it does not require massive skills as a BS it is relatively cheap and it can tackle and kill pretty good. Taranis is much much better than crusader or malediction
U failed to tell us why u laughed 
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:01:00 -
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My personal opinion is this, for solo piracy;
Frigate: Amarr (Punisher)
AF: Gallente (Ishkur)
Cruiser: Gallente (Thorax)
HAC: Amarr (Zealot)
Battlecruiser: Gallente (Brutix)
Battleship: Gallente (Dominix - the ultimate solo BS)
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Irashi
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
Can flag + stupid miner = win
I'm aware of that tactic, it's just if someone's asking about which kind of ship is best for piracy I'd assume he's talking about low sec, where there's a bit of risk. Anything can kill a clueless hauler in high sec.
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DoMxj
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Posted - 2006.03.03 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
My personal opinion is this, for solo piracy;
Frigate: Amarr (Punisher)
AF: Gallente (Ishkur)
Cruiser: Gallente (Thorax)
HAC: Amarr (Zealot)
Battlecruiser: Gallente (Brutix)
Battleship: Gallente (Dominix - the ultimate solo BS)
i disagree with u but i may be mistaken
Pirating
Frigate(rifter "oldtimer" if u cant catch him u cant tackle :)
Af harpy (think has the best dmg at any range and with spike ammo from 5k-90k :) also in pirating u need mid slots ishkur has only 3 the harpy can tackle and jamm u and do great dmg as for the ishkur drones u can either stay out of range or smartbomb them. But again my opinion not saying that the ishkur is not the second best AF :)
Battlecruiser(well i think ferox is better dmgdealer)
wasnt this topic about amarr or gallente for pirating
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.03.03 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 03/03/2006 13:27:19
Originally by: DoMxj
wasnt this topic about amarr or gallente for pirating
Yes it was. I was only comparing Amarr and Gallente ships.
Oh and in terms of damage output, the Brutix is vastly superior to the Ferox.
The advatange of the Ferox is range, not damage output. If you meet a Brutix up close, you are as good as dead.
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Ange1
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Posted - 2006.03.03 13:27:00 -
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Gallente. Vindicator ftw 
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DoMxj
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Posted - 2006.03.03 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 03/03/2006 13:27:19
Originally by: DoMxj
wasnt this topic about amarr or gallente for pirating
Yes it was. I was only comparing Amarr and Gallente ships.
Oh and in terms of damage output, the Brutix is vastly superior to the Ferox.
The advatange of the Ferox is range, not damage output. If you meet a Brutix up close, you are as good as dead.
yeah maybe u are right from close range have not meet one yet
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Judge Nai
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Posted - 2006.03.03 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Irashi
Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
Can flag + stupid miner = win
I'm aware of that tactic, it's just if someone's asking about which kind of ship is best for piracy I'd assume he's talking about low sec, where there's a bit of risk. Anything can kill a clueless hauler in high sec.
Well I am asking for ships for low sec or 0.0 sec.
I'm just starting out in Jita since I don't even have the skills to fit a warp scrambler yet. Anyways, the way I figure it, I need to master petty crime and get my game down before I move up to higher stakes. You don't try to rob a bank when you haven't figured out how to rob a 7-11.
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Irashi
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Posted - 2006.03.03 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Judge Nai
I'm just starting out in Jita since I don't even have the skills to fit a warp scrambler yet. Anyways, the way I figure it, I need to master petty crime and get my game down before I move up to higher stakes. You don't try to rob a bank when you haven't figured out how to rob a 7-11.
Nah, just jump in the deep end, make your mistakes in cheap replacable ships, try different things to see what works best. I doubt you'll learn anything in Jita apart from how to turn on your guns.
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Pa1nbringr
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Posted - 2006.03.03 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
My personal opinion is this, for solo piracy;
Frigate: Amarr (Punisher)
AF: Gallente (Ishkur)
Cruiser: Gallente (Thorax)
HAC: Amarr (Zealot)
Battlecruiser: Gallente (Brutix)
Battleship: Gallente (Dominix - the ultimate solo BS)
your opinion is dumb if you stick to that with all races
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JoKane
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Posted - 2006.03.03 17:30:00 -
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Even tho gallente might be better at solo piracy I would say go for amarr since you are that race. Flying your race own ships is much cooler imo, ofc there is no advantage with this except coolness.
Amarr might be a little worse when you are flying solo since most ships lacks med slots but that wont be a problem after you made some friends and you start to work as a team. No need for ammo is a big plus also if you decide to go deep down in 0.0 and hunt other ppl.
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Soulis
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pa1nbringr
Originally by: Butter Dog
My personal opinion is this, for solo piracy;
Frigate: Amarr (Punisher)
AF: Gallente (Ishkur)
Cruiser: Gallente (Thorax)
HAC: Amarr (Zealot)
Battlecruiser: Gallente (Brutix)
Battleship: Gallente (Dominix - the ultimate solo BS)
he's already said, he was only comparing gallente and amarr.
your opinion is dumb if you stick to that with all races
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