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Paul Otichoda Electric Sun Associates 77	Posted - 2013.12.05 10:16:00 - [1] - Quote I see loads of people saying that you need to be using 100k EHPs for tech 3 and BS to be able to do anything. Yet for me I can't seem to be able to do that. On my tengu with subsystems at 3 with 2 invulnerable fields, 1 EM field, 1 medium shield extender 2 and a damage control 2 I can only seem to get about 40k EHPs. Yet I've seen very similar fittings that claim they can give EHP's of 70k. So what am I doing wrong? Or can you only really achieve a 100k EHP by having all skills at 5?
elise densi Dark Amarr Ancestry 36	Posted - 2013.12.05 10:38:00 - [2] - Quote 100k ehp for t3 and bs are probably only needed for incurtions even then my lvl 4 bs have about 40-50k ehp and t3's around 20-30k ehp for incurtions its another story u need more tank so for example armor tanked ships can fit armor plates usualy t2 1600MM and slave implants for more ehp shield ships more rely on the hardners and rigs or large shield extenders but yeah in lvl 4 pve ehp dont matter mutch since u would fit spesific hardners for ur current mision
Caterpil Hippo Eats Dwarf Flappy Chickens With Teeth 27	Posted - 2013.12.05 10:39:00 - [3] - Quote Well obviously having skills at lvl 5 helps a lot (particularly defensive subsystems). I would STRONGLY recommend to get defensive and offensive subsystems to 5 if you plan on using a strategic cruiser. Anyway here's a 105k EHP Tengu that I threw together in pyfa in 5 minutes. Disclaimer- I really don't know how to fly or fit Tengus [Tengu, 100k EHP] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Target Painter II 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Salvager II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier As for the people who say that you need 100k EHP to do anything, they are wrong. True, in a large fleet fight you want as much EHP buffer as possible: battleships and T3s being able to easily reach 100k. In other situations (most PvE and solo PvP) an active tank will be more effective: fit for different situations differently. In the case of your fit. Ditch the medium shield extender for a large one. Medium shield extenders are usually only seen on frigates.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 5688	Posted - 2013.12.05 10:39:00 - [4] - Quote You don't need 100k HP to be able to do anything, but it's certainly attainable and not that difficult. Try your fit with large shield extenders, more skills and core field extenders and see what the result is. I'm assuming you're using some sort of program to test your fit and see the numbers. I think the in-game EHP number is the worst case scenario figure, so it'll be lower then it is in any realistic situation.
Termy Rockling EVE University Ivy League 89	Posted - 2013.12.05 10:40:00 - [5] - Quote Start by replacing the medium extender with couple large ones, put some extender rigs and you should get much closer to 100k
Gh0stBust3rs Wraith Shadow Guards 8	Posted - 2013.12.05 10:45:00 - [6] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: I see loads of people saying that you need to be using 100k EHPs for tech 3 and BS to be able to do anything. Yet for me I can't seem to be able to do that. On my tengu with subsystems at 3 with 2 invulnerable fields, 1 EM field, 1 medium shield extender 2 and a damage control 2 I can only seem to get about 40k EHPs. Yet I've seen very similar fittings that claim they can give EHP's of 70k. So what am I doing wrong? Or can you only really achieve a 100k EHP by having all skills at 5? Adaptive sub that give 10% shield hp per skill level damage control 2 1xLarge Shield extender 2 2x Adaptive invul 1x em 1x explosive 1x prop mod 3x Field extenders 1 That should put you close to 150k ehp before boosts or hardwirings
Bastion Arzi Dat Tax 53	Posted - 2013.12.05 12:35:00 - [7] - Quote Try armour plates 1600 mm armour plates
Uppsy Daisy Perkone Caldari State 565	Posted - 2013.12.05 12:49:00 - [8] - Quote Bastion Arzi wrote: Try armour plates 1600 mm armour plates On a Tengu?
Froggy Storm Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 119	Posted - 2013.12.05 13:02:00 - [9] - Quote Slaves/crystals and ogb alts can also make a significant contribution to ehp. However I won't suggest it is worth the cost of second accounts and bling heads without knowing exactly what you are looking to use them for. Investing in hg crystals will set you back quite a ways.
Bastion Arzi Dat Tax 53	Posted - 2013.12.05 13:29:00 - [10] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: Bastion Arzi wrote: Try armour plates 1600 mm armour plates On a Tengu? Don't they fit? Oh wait doh tengu shield tank gotya
Jacob Holland Weyland-Vulcan Industries 194	Posted - 2013.12.05 13:35:00 - [11] - Quote It's also worth noting that the 100k EHP ship with EFT's universal damage profile and the 100k EHP ship with EVE's Fitting window's pessimistic "100% worst" damage profile are two different things - If your resists on your primary tanking layer are more or less even the difference shouldn't be vast but with some ships, particularly those with very, very high resists (I'm reminded in particular of a Loki fit with an Explosive "hole" in shield of 85% resist) the small variations in resist represent significant changes (going from 85% to 86% represents a 7% reduction in incoming damage after all).
bubble trout Sky Fighters 108	Posted - 2013.12.05 14:54:00 - [12] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: Bastion Arzi wrote: Try armour plates 1600 mm armour plates On a Tengu? The duel plate armor jamgu gets like 101k before boosts. The resistances are lol-tastic though.
Ghost Phius Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 168	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:27:00 - [13] - Quote Hmm...this guy again...now he can fly a Tengu, yet has not learned enough about the game to actually fit it properly...hmm. OP make sure to fit that ship with some officer mods please, I want to make it worth while for the hitmen when they whack you.
Aivo Dresden Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 122	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:56:00 - [14] - Quote Using 2 damage specific hardeners you can easily get 120k+ HP on a Rattlesnake. That said, the EHP is completely dependent on the damage profile. I mean, I'm getting 85K EHP omnitank on a Drake, so I'm sure you could get 100 on a Tengu, or any other t3 cruiser for that matter.
Elezondo Repercussus RAZOR Alliance 1	Posted - 2013.12.05 17:23:00 - [15] - Quote Along with your medium shield extender to should add some 50mm armor plates and cargo hold optimization rigs... Don't forget to skill up capital industrial ships too .
Cage Man 310	Posted - 2013.12.05 18:35:00 - [16] - Quote What do you plan to do with said ships ?? Only time I have needed a BS with 100kehp was running C6 anom's, and even then it was overkill. I don't even think my incursion NM has 100k EHP. The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back??
Paul Otichoda Electric Sun Associates 77	Posted - 2013.12.05 18:57:00 - [17] - Quote Gh0stBust3rs wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: I see loads of people saying that you need to be using 100k EHPs for tech 3 and BS to be able to do anything. Yet for me I can't seem to be able to do that. On my tengu with subsystems at 3 with 2 invulnerable fields, 1 EM field, 1 medium shield extender 2 and a damage control 2 I can only seem to get about 40k EHPs. Yet I've seen very similar fittings that claim they can give EHP's of 70k. So what am I doing wrong? Or can you only really achieve a 100k EHP by having all skills at 5? [Tengu] [Subsystems] Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers [High Slots] Heavy Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [Med Slots] Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Explosive Deflection Field II 10MN Afterburner II [Low Slots] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II [Rigs] Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Needs some implants and toss in some damage hardwirings to get 640 dps and 138k ehp No luck, tried fitting that up with everything apart from the rigs and I don't have enough power core to run both the afterburner and the large extender am also running into tight cpu as well.
Chris Winter Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T. 299	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:38:00 - [18] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: So what am I doing wrong? Paul Otichoda wrote: On my tengu with subsystems at 3 There's your problem. Never fly a T3 cruiser without having all subsystems at 4 or 5. It's such a short train for such a huge benefit, there's no reason not to go for 5. Also, it sounds like you don't have a lot of the needed support skils to be able to fit these things properly.
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 279	Posted - 2013.12.06 00:19:00 - [19] - Quote Ghost Phius wrote: Hmm...this guy again...now he can fly a Tengu, yet has not learned enough about the game to actually fit it properly...hmm. OP make sure to fit that ship with some officer mods please, I want to make it worth while for the hitmen when they whack you. I like it!
Gh0stBust3rs Wraith Shadow Guards 13	Posted - 2013.12.06 02:53:00 - [20] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Gh0stBust3rs wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: I see loads of people saying that you need to be using 100k EHPs for tech 3 and BS to be able to do anything. Yet for me I can't seem to be able to do that. On my tengu with subsystems at 3 with 2 invulnerable fields, 1 EM field, 1 medium shield extender 2 and a damage control 2 I can only seem to get about 40k EHPs. Yet I've seen very similar fittings that claim they can give EHP's of 70k. So what am I doing wrong? Or can you only really achieve a 100k EHP by having all skills at 5? [Tengu] [Subsystems] Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers [High Slots] Heavy Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [Med Slots] Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Explosive Deflection Field II 10MN Afterburner II [Low Slots] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II [Rigs] Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Needs some implants and toss in some damage hardwirings to get 640 dps and 138k ehp No luck, tried fitting that up with everything apart from the rigs and I don't have enough power core to run both the afterburner and the large extender am also running into tight cpu as well. i did say you need some implants CA-1 CA-2 missile implants in your toher slots and in slot 6 either a pg or cpu inplant..whichever you still need to boost.
Liam Inkuras Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 613	Posted - 2013.12.06 04:03:00 - [21] - Quote PAUL'S BACK!!!!!!!! Train it to 5. All of it. I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Shalashaska Adam DubiousOnes 5	Posted - 2013.12.06 05:57:00 - [22] - Quote Getting 100,000 omni ehp out of an incursion battleship is quite easy. A T2 damage control, a pair of T2 invuls, an EM ward amp, a T2 thermal rig and a T2 core field extender is enough to get a Nightmare to 101,000 omni ehp. Three midslots, two rigs an one lowslot.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 12766	Posted - 2013.12.06 18:05:00 - [23] - Quote Why are people still using T1 rigs on their T3s? 1 Kings 12:11
Gh0stBust3rs Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 14	Posted - 2013.12.07 04:47:00 - [24] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Why are people still using T1 rigs on their T3s? I tend to fit them to throw them away in pvp. But feel free to pimp the fit however you want.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 33	Posted - 2013.12.07 05:03:00 - [25] - Quote You dont get 100k ehp from t2 modules, you have to use low-end deadspace. Heres 200k ehp tengu, its about 1.5bil, only used in pulsars tho for 400k ehp with pulsar bonus. But, low dps. (Legions are better, you can get 150k ehp and 700dps for 850mil - what we use for our home defence fleets, along with 120k ehp 1100dps proteuses) [Tengu, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Paul Otichoda Electric Sun Associates 78	Posted - 2013.12.07 10:00:00 - [26] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: You dont get 100k ehp from t2 modules, you have to use low-end deadspace. Heres 200k ehp tengu, its about 1.5bil, only used in pulsars tho for 400k ehp with pulsar bonus. But, low dps. (Legions are better, you can get 150k ehp and 700dps for 850mil - what we use for our home defence fleets, along with 120k ehp 1100dps proteuses) [Tengu, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer thanks for the fits but considering I have only 420m ISK I think the tengu will have to sit in my hanger for a long time.
Luwc Easy Co. Fatal Ascension 22	Posted - 2013.12.10 13:35:00 - [27] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: I see loads of people saying that you need to be using 100k EHPs for tech 3 and BS to be able to do anything. Yet for me I can't seem to be able to do that. On my tengu with subsystems at 3 with 2 invulnerable fields, 1 EM field, 1 medium shield extender 2 and a damage control 2 I can only seem to get about 40k EHPs. Yet I've seen very similar fittings that claim they can give EHP's of 70k. So what am I doing wrong? Or can you only really achieve a 100k EHP by having all skills at 5? I can tell what you are doing wrong. The people you know are obv. not the smartest players in EVE.
Paul Otichoda Electric Sun Associates 78	Posted - 2013.12.10 14:02:00 - [28] - Quote Luwc wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: I see loads of people saying that you need to be using 100k EHPs for tech 3 and BS to be able to do anything. Yet for me I can't seem to be able to do that. On my tengu with subsystems at 3 with 2 invulnerable fields, 1 EM field, 1 medium shield extender 2 and a damage control 2 I can only seem to get about 40k EHPs. Yet I've seen very similar fittings that claim they can give EHP's of 70k. So what am I doing wrong? Or can you only really achieve a 100k EHP by having all skills at 5? I can tell what you are doing wrong. The people you know are obv. not the smartest players in EVE. who says about getting info from people. I came up with the fitting myself and no-one in my corp can help since none of them can fly a tengu.
Veronica Kerrigan Hand Of Midas My Other Laboratory is a Distillery 89	Posted - 2013.12.10 21:38:00 - [29] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: I see loads of people saying that you need to be using 100k EHPs for tech 3 and BS to be able to do anything. Yet for me I can't seem to be able to do that. On my tengu with subsystems at 3 with 2 invulnerable fields, 1 EM field, 1 medium shield extender 2 and a damage control 2 I can only seem to get about 40k EHPs. Yet I've seen very similar fittings that claim they can give EHP's of 70k. So what am I doing wrong? Or can you only really achieve a 100k EHP by having all skills at 5? Generally speaking, you always want to use shield extenders one size too large for your ship. Frigate> Medium Cruiser/BC/BS > Large The same of course holds true for armor, which have an "XL" armor plate in the 1600mm. BS/BC> 1600mm Cruisers>800m/1600mm (depending on pg) Frigates> I assume 400m, but I don;t fly frigs enough to be sure. Another way for ships to get large amounts of EHP is through the use of rigs. A Medium Core Defense Field Extender on most BC gives about the same bonus as an LSE IIRC, and they stack significantly better. resistance rigs can also be used to fill resistance holesthat are too small to bother with using a mid slot for.
Batelle Komm susser Tod 580	Posted - 2013.12.10 21:47:00 - [30] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: So what am I doing wrong? Or can you only really achieve a 100k EHP by having all skills at 5? Yes you are very much doing it wrong. And doing it right doesn't require many level 5 skills. Medium shield extenders are fail and should not be fit to cruiser sized combat ships. Any shield extenders that go on a tengu need to be large ones. You're probably losing a lot using only t1 hardeners/invulns. subsystem skills at lvl 3 is very wrong. Your defensive subsystem skill especially should be maxed. level 5 shield management. doing all those things requires only two level 5 skills, one of which is rank 1, one of which is rank 2. Both of them together should be about 2 weeks of training at most, and you should already have shield management 5 if you're sitting in a tengu. T2 large shield extenders and t2 invulns only require two skills to be level 4. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.

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