I'll answer this for you. First off, being in null gives you the same training speed as being in high sec. We can use the same implants and we train at the same skillpoints per hour. So there really isn't any kind of difference in training speed. Training speed is completely independent from your location in space.

I can understand your point though, implants are expensive and by being in null you put those investments at risk 24/7. That is just the inherent nature of being in null isn't it? Risk.

Oh I am very familiar with the risk vs reward argument. Supposedly, greater risk should mean greater potential reward. But for skill training, its completely the other way around. By the risk/reward logic, greater risks in null should also be allow higher training speeds than the risk-averse highsec dweller. Instead, we have the situation in skill training, where less risk = higher reward.

And yes, I am making the case that even if it is theoretically possible to plug in new +5s in nullsec after every time you get podded (which you will if you play like a real man ), it doesnt really happen. So that is a strawman argument.

Your greater reward doesn't come in the form of more skill points, it comes in the form of more income, which should allow you to replace those implants easier in the first place. You could always use you know ... +3 or +4 implants. The difference is extremely small, and the price difference is considerable. You could use jump clones, etc etc.

This idea is ripe to fall prey to an altered version of Malcanis' law. Space rich incomes will determine the market price point of these proposed boosters, and they will end up costing no less (and likely far, far more) in the long run than plugging in a set of the same learning implants. Instead of making the added attributes easier to obtain, they will obsolete them.

Expensive +5s aren't the issue here. The real problem is a 1-month old newbie can't go welp a bunch of T1 frigs in lowsec because they have expensive (to them) +3 or +4 stat implants in their head that they can't afford to lose, but at the same time they can't afford to not plug them in because at that point they need all the SP they can get. It's a massive disincentive for new players to go engage in PvP.

So what if someone goes on vacation for 2 weeks, not everyone has the time to log in every 7 days and go buy a booster and so on. Are we back to setting alarm clocks at 4h30 am because a booster is running out?

If I was to use +5s, I would definitely go broke. I'm not arguing against your idea because it would hurt 'me'. If anything I would benefit from it just as much as you. I can't afford to replace +5s either so yea sure. bring on faster training. I'm all for it.

This idea is ripe to fall prey to an altered version of Malcanis' law. Space rich incomes will determine the market price point of these proposed boosters, and they will end up costing no less (and likely far, far more) in the long run than plugging in a set of the same learning implants. Instead of making the added attributes easier to obtain, they will obsolete them.

So what you're saying is that you can't afford to replace your losses? Then the problem in your case is just that you can't afford to PvP in null. Simple as that. I *KNOW* I can't; so I don't. Hence I joined RvB.

If anything; I could get behind a remove all kinds of attribute changing implants and get rid of that all together. Just like learning skills; I suppose it could be counter productive. I am however not very comfortable with making a change that basically only benefits a certain group of null pilots; who are lets face it; a minority.

this basically.

Looking at the good boosters you already pay fo an edge.


And it would not even be the bitters market pvp'ing. A big part of that be would be the cost of doing business. Drug pos' and the logitsitcs to run them cost isk. Lots of bottlenecks outside their control here so its not the lab owners gouging (too much anyway). Gas is a big bottleneck here for example.

Forget the booster but its gas component only comes from delve iirc. If delve residents collect this gas and say it will cost xyz isk no haggling....well then that drug lab owner pays xyz isk no haggling. Not like he can ask Curse residents for a better deal. They don't have the gas.

Even for the mild gains of the mid grade combat boosters from the labs you pay a pretty isk. Like you to keep the juice flowing you'd probably be better off implanting it. At least +3's.

People don't play this game to gain SP, they play to have fun

[Well, since these things are actually attribute enhancing cerebral accelerators and not combat boosters, CCP would have a clean slate on the exact game mechanic. You cant just use current booster production and assume the same mechanics, materials and market situation.

Can't have much fun myself as i'm restricted by SP aka cannot fly MANY SHIPS with 1 year old character. Cannot use many weapon systems etc.

Sure you don't have problem with that old toon as yours. I would see no problem either. Got it ;) ?

Tho i live in low sec ... with implants (not +5 or some hg stuff) - just basic stuff. Shame that i won't go for 5s for example, but i know better that Smartbomb can be at next gate . Saw Santo Trafficante many times where i live(and he owned VERY old players pods , many pods in very short time - when he was around) .That reminds me that it's better to keep cheap implants, that won't hurt my wallet, if i will have to buy new.

Which of course hurts mostly new players (under 2 years i would say) that cannot fly much stuff.

I'm sure in time i will be ok aswell. But right now it's sad to even think about flying without +3.

Now don't get me wrong ! It's not gamebreaking problem. Just like ss penalty in fw plex is stupid , learning implants are stupid aswell. I will live with both of those issues, but it would be better if those problems (yes there is problem) would be resolved.

Sorry Roime, you forgot how it is to be low sp players where every sp counts, as even your core skills are still yet to be trained.
For older characters it's not big pain, hell they can even afford to lose T3's and retrain , because they have nothing cool enough to train anyway. Probably they got all 4 races subcaps trained with T2 guns up to large ones.

Well when the variability and viability of the ships you can fly is measured in skillpoints then they are often one in the same.

CCP says you can specialize to be effective in combat, and it's true, you can... You can be an awesome Rifter pilot and do Rifter things all day long.

Until you get bored and want to try something else. Like a Cruiser, or a battleship. Doctrine ships.

Then you're completely out of luck.

Anyway, what would you gain by going for +5s? What would be your net gain on training time vs someone with disposable +4s in say, two years?