People don't play this game to gain SP, they play to have fun

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Ok, two nubs in frigates want to fly a BS.

First little nublet uses his brains, Evemon and makes a skill plan, buys two +4 implants and goes on having fun with his mates.
Second little nublet is a dipshit ******, trains Cyber V, buys a plex so he can buy a full set of +5s and stays grinding L2s in Couster.

Question- who gets to sit in the BS first?

It's a massive disincentive for new players to go engage in PvP.

So are instalock gatecamps, black ops and titan bridges onto month old solo cruisers, people dropping supers on said cruisers, people blobbing new players, people fighting noob frigates with HG crystaled hawks, etc.

+2s are basically free even to the newest players, and +3s are cheap once you can do level 3s

Yeah, in all those situations you only lose the cheap ship you're flying, not the cheap ship and 100m in implants.

You want to PvP and you want to do this and that, but you don't want to suffer the penalties that come with it? No one is forcing you to not put implants in your head. If you can't afford to replace them every time you get podded, that's your loss.

But don't come around here telling us how we should all get nerfed and have our training and play style changed, because you can't get over getting podded with implants.

While I find the idea of having attribute implants removed entirely not bad per se, it's not really viable either.

Besides, why should people with pirate implants get both the pirate implant bonus AND the attribute bonus that comes from plugging in improved attribute implants? The trade off you make is getting the pirate bonus, rather than 2 extra attribute points. You don't get to have both .

Then on the other hand, risking your pod and thus implants is the price you pay for PvPing. It's always been like that. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. The same goes for implants. If you want a life of risk, pay the price.

A set of +3 implants costs like 15mill anyway, so it's not like it's that expensive. As for the newbie players, you get a set of implants from just doing the starter missions. So they are essentially free to them. I think+4s are 20ish mill a piece and you only need 2 for the primary stats you are training with anyway.
Newbies are free to join RvB. We have a no podding rule so they can still experience PvP without having to worry about their implants.
If they want to live the life of a pirate or go to null and fight for space, then they will have to pay the price and pay for the risk that comes with it. With the money they can make in null, it shouldn't be much of a problem to spend 10mill on 2+3 implants or 40mill on 2+4 implants when they get podded

The proposal makes it possible to attain the same training speeds is highsec bears, at a cost, even if you get podded repeatedly.

It is already possible for everybody, everywhere so your solution to a problem that doesn't even exist changes exactly nothing.

I see what the problem is. You're one of those "I want everything, with all advantages, without having to compromise" kind of players.

I see what the problem is. You're one of those "I want everything, with all advantages, without having to compromise" kind of players.

Says the guy whose alliance policies are completely designed around everyone being able to use +5's and not getting podded despite being at war 100% of the time.

Constructive. How old are you? 12?

No one is FORCING you to go PVP and lose your pod. That's your choice. Take some responsibility, instead of trying to change the game design for your own good.


I gave you a constructive post earlier. You didn't seem to like it though. The simple fact is indeed that you want advantages that come with High sec space, without having to make any kind of compromise for being in null.

I think I answered your constructive post as an adult.

I mean you make 3 times the ISK/LP doing a mission there, I want that too in high sec.

And just to invite a philosophical discussion: Why should beeing in null come with a cost in training speed? What is your reasoning why that is good for the game?

Why should beeing in null come with a cost in training speed?

I think the thing that a lot of people forget when they say that "EVE is a game of choices" is that EVE is supposed to be a game without a skill or level grind. CCP removed the learning skills and it made a better game. Removing the implants might also make it a better game. Just because some feature in a game gives you a 'choice' doesn't mean that it makes the game better, more fun, easier to play, or a little less harsh on the new players.

the idea that there is no level grind