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MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 33	Posted - 2013.12.06 05:30:00 - [1] - Quote I have decided to return to Eve online and am looking to restart my mining operations. When I left I had sold off everything and given just about everything away not expecting to come back till this summer. Well, plans changed and I suddenly find myself with a great deal of free time. Requesting:12,000,000,000 ISK Term: Option A) 4 Months + 25% net profit per month Requires filling full loan request Option B) 2 Months + 25% flat interest rate per month Option C) 3 Months +10% flat interest rate per month and an Even split of 50% net profit. Option D) 6 Months + 150% flat interest rate Option E) 12 months + 300% flat interest rate Details of the options: Option A) Only a single lender will be accepted for this. Net profit will be based the months total profit minus account plex costs. Option B) Flat rate is based on original principle. Total return: Principle + 50% Option C) 50% net goes to the borrower, and 50% goes to a pool to be split amongst the lenders. Option D) Total Return: Principle + 150% Payed at the end of term. Option E) Total Return: Principle + 3000% payed at the end of term. Plan: Majority of the cost will be due to the reactivation of 12 accounts. Remainder of the funds will go to buying and fitting ships for the mining operation. Major ships costs will be: Rorqual, Orca, fleet of Procurers, and fleet of Retrievers. Any left overs after these purchases will be used to repurchase any lost ships. Primary source of income: ICE, secondary income: ORE Skills: Fleet booster) http://eveboard.com/pilot/Gray_Spike Miners) cannot show due to inactivation. They have perfect ice mining skills, ore mining, and are on the path to being able to fly a carrier due to not having any other mining skills to level up. Mining Skills: Have mined in a deep null space that wasn't sov space. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/A2V6-6 to be exact. High sec mining I have achieved 97% efficiency of my max mining amount, this is also taking start up and shut down into consideration. Weekly income was at 6-7billion in high sec, and 8-9 billion during my stay in null sec. Loan minimum: 1,000,000,000 (1 billion) Collateral: Due to be having nothing but a few hundred million isk, I cannot up put a collateral at this time. Risks: A) Somebody using a locator agent to find my high-sec operations (NOT in Empire space) and cause disruption thus slowing down my mining and lowering my mining efficiency. B) My nullsec operations get significantly disrupted due to nullsec. (those of you who live in nullsec know what I mean) C) I run off with your money. D) Market takes a major nose-dive. Plans to Avert Risks: A) I mine in a pocket high-sec area making it hard for griefiers to reach my location. Will deter most. Only Entrances are: A heavily gate camp null sec entrance, and a long strip of low sec filled with roaming pirates. I will mine in tanked barges. Primarily in procurers when dealing with suicide gankers, and retrievers when at peace. I will also fleet a cheap fleet so in any event that causes a total loss of the mining fleet, replacement is quick and cheap. B) Park the miners ships inside the Rorqual, JC back to high sec and continue mining once the Rorqual is parked at the nearby low sec system. C) I would rather build my name to make it easier to obtain future loans for bigger projects than to run away with isk that can be made back in under two weeks. D) Payments will still be made from the savings built up prior to the market nose-diving, and if worse comes to worse, open my wallet to spend on plexs to make repayments.
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 33	Posted - 2013.12.06 05:30:00 - [2] - Quote -Reserved-
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 1139	Posted - 2013.12.06 09:57:00 - [3] - Quote You could earn the loan principal back in 2 weeks but you are willing to pay interest for an entire year because....?
Varo Jan Caravanserai Consulting 0	Posted - 2013.12.06 11:34:00 - [4] - Quote MicDeath Titan wrote: Collateral: Due to be having nothing but a few hundred million isk, I cannot up put a collateral at this time. So what happened to the 1B you bid on a 51m SP toon? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=302173 Can't see this flying, even if you have an audit.
Awkward Sanchez Awkward Honesty Inc. 6	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:42:00 - [5] - Quote OMG you are sooooo Legit <3
Setsune Rin Collapsed Out Shadow Cartel 108	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:53:00 - [6] - Quote the story sortof checks out, but 12b on a no history + no collateral loan? that isn't going to work, this is well outside the limits of where its worth the reputation hit to just walk away. i suggest you ask whomever you gave your stuff to to help you out
Magnu Stormhawk Stormhawk Enterprises 34	Posted - 2013.12.06 16:50:00 - [7] - Quote I don't even think this is a scam. I think you are just nuts.
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 33	Posted - 2013.12.06 16:59:00 - [8] - Quote Varo Jan wrote: MicDeath Titan wrote: Collateral: Due to be having nothing but a few hundred million isk, I cannot up put a collateral at this time. So what happened to the 1B you bid on a 51m SP toon? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=302173 Can't see this flying, even if you have an audit. The day I can acquire a 51m sp toon for 1 bill is the day I have no problem throwing $30 at my screen, dance to a Justin Beiber song, and post the monstrosity on youtube. Vera Algaert wrote: You could earn the loan principal back in 2 weeks but you are willing to pay interest for an entire year because....? Some people want to earn more money, and I have no problem facilitating that.
Varo Jan Caravanserai Consulting 1	Posted - 2013.12.06 17:55:00 - [9] - Quote MicDeath Titan wrote: Varo Jan wrote: MicDeath Titan wrote: Collateral: Due to be having nothing but a few hundred million isk, I cannot up put a collateral at this time. So what happened to the 1B you bid on a 51m SP toon? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=302173 Can't see this flying, even if you have an audit. The day I can acquire a 51m sp toon for 1 bill is the day I have no problem throwing $30 at my screen, dance to a Justin Beiber song, and post the monstrosity on youtube. Tsk, tsk. Getting arsey isn't going to help your case. Nor is avoiding the question. Nor is rising to the bait. If you didn't have the dosh to bid on a toon worth 13B, why did you make the opening bid? Because you were bored or wanted to help the OP - who turned out to be a scammy character? Not worth spending more time on this. It's either a straight scam or will become a scam due to inherent stupidity.
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 33	Posted - 2013.12.06 18:33:00 - [10] - Quote Varo Jan wrote: MicDeath Titan wrote: Varo Jan wrote: MicDeath Titan wrote: Collateral: Due to be having nothing but a few hundred million isk, I cannot up put a collateral at this time. So what happened to the 1B you bid on a 51m SP toon? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=302173 Can't see this flying, even if you have an audit. The day I can acquire a 51m sp toon for 1 bill is the day I have no problem throwing $30 at my screen, dance to a Justin Beiber song, and post the monstrosity on youtube. Tsk, tsk. Getting arsey isn't going to help your case. Nor is avoiding the question. Nor is rising to the bait. If you didn't have the dosh to bid on a toon worth 13B, why did you make the opening bid? Because you were bored or wanted to help the OP - who turned out to be a scammy character? Not worth spending more time on this. It's either a straight scam or will become a scam due to inherent stupidity. My bad, I thought you were being sarcastic. Though I fail to see how I avoided the question. As to why I even made a bid at all? OP listed the opening Bid for 1bill, on a character worth, as you say, about 13bill, that is 1,200% return if I had won with the bid and the trade went through. I could have then flipped and sold the character for 13bill, which after the costs of plex and remaining funds added together, would come out to about 12bill. The revelation of the OP of the sale being a scammy person has no relationship to my bid. Anyhoo, that is unrelated to this forum topic. If you feel this loan request is a scam, you are free to ignore it and move on. You have voiced your concern about it being a scam, any further than that will start to build a case of trolling on your end, unless further inquiry pertains to this loan request and/or the validity therein. Magnu Stormhawk wrote: I don't even think this is a scam. I think you are just nuts. I am not nuts, I am Insane. I have more fun that way. :3

Gedalva 2	Posted - 2013.12.07 05:35:00 - [11] - Quote Magnu Stormhawk wrote: I don't even think this is a scam. I think you are just nuts. I tend to agree with Magnu on this. If you are just starting back up and have no collateral why not structure this in stages and start with a few accounts and build from there or partner with a large production corp and have them fund some of this?
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1633	Posted - 2013.12.07 09:19:00 - [12] - Quote Guy supposedly sells off all his stuff and gives it away , returns ONLY 3 months later and can't get anything back from the people he gave isk to. Sounds like you gave it to supposedly friends who now value your isk higher then your 'friendship' . Man that's gotta be a downer .... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 33	Posted - 2013.12.07 09:41:00 - [13] - Quote flakeys wrote: Guy supposedly sells off all his stuff and gives it away , returns ONLY 3 months later and can't get anything back from the people he gave isk to. Sounds like you gave it to supposedly friends who now value your isk higher then your 'friendship' . Man that's gotta be a downer .... Actually the situation is nothing like that. The reasoning behind my quitting was due to University work load that was going to be much higher than normal for both fall and spring. Turns out the work load was far too much and instead of keeping the heavy spring semester load, I changed things a bit to dramatically reduce the load. The people who I gave the isk/ships to I do not expect them to return to me, nor do I want them to, and I never asked them to. That is unfair to them, and is poor conduct. In any case, the loan request will remain open until filled or Jan 9 rolls around. If you want to make some money, grab a portion of the loan, the minimum is 1 billion. If not, simply carry on. :D
Dvesk Sunie Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes 26	Posted - 2013.12.07 10:49:00 - [14] - Quote titan, pm me please with more details (all of them). i might do it
Nyx Na'gorg Unironically Bad Silver Dragonz 47	Posted - 2013.12.07 20:27:00 - [15] - Quote [UNIBA] is considering the loan request. We have a number of terms to be met before before both parties sign the contract: Solitude Coalition backs and co-signs the application bearing full financial responsibility for any defaults on the loan You will need to offer a full cost analysis and plans detailing how you are going to repay the loan Finally you will have to convert to Judaism and provide proof of conversion. Including study at a Yeshiva or attendance at an Orthodox Temple.
Drab Cane Carbenadium Industries 10	Posted - 2013.12.07 23:01:00 - [16] - Quote 12 Billion ISK no-collateral loan request? drops popcorn Quote: I am not nuts, I am Insane. I have more fun that way. :3 Oh, whew, that makes sense then.
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 33	Posted - 2013.12.08 22:54:00 - [17] - Quote Nyx Na'gorg wrote: [UNIBA] is considering the loan request. We have a number of terms to be met before before both parties sign the contract: Solitude Coalition backs and co-signs the application bearing full financial responsibility for any defaults on the loan You will need to offer a full cost analysis and plans detailing how you are going to repay the loan Finally you will have to convert to Judaism and provide proof of conversion. Including study at a Yeshiva or attendance at an Orthodox Temple. I can do the analysis and plans. I will look into the co-signing. I will NOT do the conversion. If you are serious, send me a mail. ============== @Dvesk Sunie Still waiting for a response about your request.
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 34	Posted - 2013.12.13 08:35:00 - [18] - Quote Have not heard back from both Dvesk Sunie, and Nyx Na'gorg. Going to take that as a loss of interest. Somebody in-game had asked me how much is the bare minimum for me to restart. The answer to that is 4.5billion. 5 miners= ~3,600,000,000 isk 1 hauler-miner=~600,000,000 isk 1 Orca=~580,000,000 isk 5 procurers= ~50,000,000 isk 5 Retrievers=~150,000,000 isk Total: 4,980,000,000 Loan: -4,500,000,000 My out of pocket: 480,000,000+ It would take me about 4-6 days to get the fleet in full standing, and 2-3 more days after that to get the everything else set.
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 34	Posted - 2013.12.15 10:47:00 - [19] - Quote Status Report: Day 1 mining GÇó8 hours mined - 5 in the morning, 3 in the afternoon. GÇóFleet Size: 6 in the morning, 5 in the afternoon (issue with one miner, plexed time disappeared) ---Orca: Gray Spike ---Hauler: Kaling of Titans ---Miner#1: Titans Guild Miner ---Miner#2: Titans Guild Miner2 ---Miner#3: Titans Guild Miner3 ---Miner#4: Titans Guild Miner4 GÇóMining efficiency - 92% overall average. Start up and shutdown included. --- 130.844~/142.222~ m3 per second Result: Plex'ed Titans Guild Miner5 Issues Bank has declined purchases past $40 on CCP games. Resolved?: Yes. Result: Remaining $20 USD will be put on hold until issue with Titans Guild Miner is resolved of the case of missing plex time. Ships are loaner ships from Darsec Tracer. Ships currently being loaned: Orca, Retriever x3 Resolved?: No. Result: -Pending- Once full fleet is active, new ships will be bought and loaner ships will be returned. Orca has been upgraded to a more hefty 280k EHP omni at my expense. End of Day 1 report.
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 34	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:23:00 - [20] - Quote Status Report: Day 2 mining GÇó4 and 1/2 hours mined GÇóFleet Size: 8 ---Orca: Gray Spike ---Hauler: Kaling of Titans ---Miner#1: Titans Guild Miner ---Miner#2: Titans Guild Miner2 ---Miner#3: Titans Guild Miner3 ---Miner#4: Titans Guild Miner4 ---Miner#5: Titans Guild Miner5 ---Miner#6: Titans Guild Miner6 GÇóMining efficiency - 97% overall average. Start up and shutdown included. --- 207.840~/213.333~ m3 per second Result: + Titans Guild Miner6 Plex'ed Titans Guild Miner7 Issues None End of Day 2 report.

Cavalira Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation 247	Posted - 2013.12.16 10:56:00 - [21] - Quote Let's imagine you get bored with EVE again. How do you intend to pay back ? Did you lose your job, and started playing EVE again? If that's the case, what if a new job offer pops up?
Kris Xavier StarHunt Insidious Empire 21	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:12:00 - [22] - Quote He seems to be doing just fine right now. Although id be tempted to stop expanding into new toons and instead buy your own ships and pay back anything you have borrowed. Your Loan request has now turned into a blog about mining, which is possibly one of the most boring things that there is in the MD forums right now.
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 34	Posted - 2013.12.16 18:35:00 - [23] - Quote Cavalira wrote: Let's imagine you get bored with EVE again. How do you intend to pay back ? Did you lose your job, and started playing EVE again? If that's the case, what if a new job offer pops up? Please refer to post #13, I had already addressed this. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3974578#post3974578 Kris Xavier wrote: He seems to be doing just fine right now. Although id be tempted to stop expanding into new toons and instead buy your own ships and pay back anything you have borrowed. Your Loan request has now turned into a blog about mining, which is possibly one of the most boring things that there is in the MD forums right now. The ultimate goal is ten miners, one booster, one hauler, and three accounts skilled towards PvP to aid in defense. Please note all these accounts were already made prior to my quitting. For the purpose of this loan, the stopping point is one booster, one hauler, and ten miners for accounts, one Orca, ten procurers, ten retrievers, and one Rorqual for the ships. three miners to go. I should be able to knock one more off today once I get home. Since I have said that this loan request will remain open till Jan 9th, I will honor this even if everything is acquired beforehand. As for turning into a blog, I have to disagree. Updated information that pertains to the loan is a must. Take for example, if I didn't give status updates, then somebody who is on the fence decides to check me up, and sees I am running say a 9 man fleet, they will think this is a scam and go away. The day to day updates will only occur up until the full twelve accounts, the Orca, the Rorqual, the ten Retrievers, and the ten procurers have been acquired. After that, a weekly update will be given. I hope this answers both your questions. :D
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 34	Posted - 2013.12.17 10:15:00 - [24] - Quote Status Report: Day 3 mining GÇó5 and 1/2 hours mined GÇóFleet Size: 9 ---Orca: Gray Spike ---Hauler: Kaling of Titans ---Miner#1: Titans Guild Miner ---Miner#2: Titans Guild Miner2 ---Miner#3: Titans Guild Miner3 ---Miner#4: Titans Guild Miner4 ---Miner#5: Titans Guild Miner5 ---Miner#6: Titans Guild Miner6 ---Miner#7: Titans Guild Miner7 GÇóMining efficiency - 84% overall average. Start up and shutdown included. --- 210.354~/249.620~ m3 per second Result: +Obelisk Issues Mining amount grew too big for the Miasmos. Resolved? Yes. Result: Darsec Tracer and I agreed to split costs of obtaining an Obelisk. I covered the cost of skill books and had 1930 blocks of ice to use. GÇó150,000,000 isk, 2x Gallente freighter skills books. One for me, one for him. GÇó1930 Blocks of ice to use as cover for my portion. ~366,700,000 in value. Reasons for massive loss of efficiency today: GÇóSet up and fitting Miner 7 took longer than expected. GÇóObelisk had to be transported to the mining site, 6 jump distance. GÇóTime spent idle remembering the most efficient use of the freighter again (positioning, grid lay-out, and so on.) GÇóTime spent to new belts and re-positioning, belts where already heavily mined by the time I showed up. End of Day 3 report.
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 34	Posted - 2013.12.18 19:41:00 - [25] - Quote Status Report: Day 4 mining GÇó3 and 1/4 hours mined GÇóFleet Size: 9 ---Orca: Gray Spike ---Hauler: Kaling of Titans ---Miner#1: Titans Guild Miner ---Miner#2: Titans Guild Miner2 ---Miner#3: Titans Guild Miner3 ---Miner#4: Titans Guild Miner4 ---Miner#5: Titans Guild Miner5 ---Miner#6: Titans Guild Miner6 ---Miner#7: Titans Guild Miner7 GÇóMining efficiency - 96% overall average. Start up and shutdown included. --- 239.635~/249.620~ m3 per second Result: Plexed Titans Guild Miner8 Plexed Titans Guild Miner9 Issues Internet went out before second round of mining could occur. Resolved?: Yes. Result: Late status update, major loss of income potential, enough that I wasn't able to get Miner#10 activated, as planned. End of Day 4 report. Darsec Tracer has loan enough to meet the 1billion minimum, waiting for him to choose which loan term he would like. His loan amount: Cumulative 1.1billion.
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 34	Posted - 2013.12.19 10:03:00 - [26] - Quote Status Report: Day 5 mining GÇó6 and 1/2 hours mined GÇóFleet Size: 12 ---Orca: Gray Spike ---Hauler: Kaling of Titans ---Miner#1: Titans Guild Miner ---Miner#2: Titans Guild Miner2 ---Miner#3: Titans Guild Miner3 ---Miner#4: Titans Guild Miner4 ---Miner#5: Titans Guild Miner5 ---Miner#6: Titans Guild Miner6 ---Miner#7: Titans Guild Miner7 ---Miner#8: Titans Guild Miner8 ---Miner#9: Titans Guild Miner9 ---Miner#10: Titans Guild Miner10 GÇóMining efficiency - 97% overall average. Start up and shutdown included. --- 347.650~/356.600~ m3 per second Result: With agreement with Darsec Tracer, 2billion will go towards getting a jump freighter. Expecting Rorqual by Saturday or Sunday. Issues Ice belts melting too fast. ~_~ Resolved?: -Pending- Result: Will buy strip miners soon. End of Day 5 report. New Investor: Kithran GÇóAmount loaned: 1 billion. GÇóTerm Selected: Option C Welcome aboard Kithran!
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1662	Posted - 2013.12.19 10:18:00 - [27] - Quote Status Report: Day 6 mining Someone ran a locator agent on the names , - 7 ships We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Kithran 68	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:45:00 - [28] - Quote Just to confirm I have invested here. Kithran
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 34	Posted - 2013.12.20 20:21:00 - [29] - Quote Status Report: Day 6 mining GÇó1 and 1/2 hours mined GÇóFleet Size: 12 ---Orca: Gray Spike ---Hauler: Kaling of Titans ---Miner#1: Titans Guild Miner ---Miner#2: Titans Guild Miner2 ---Miner#3: Titans Guild Miner3 ---Miner#4: Titans Guild Miner4 ---Miner#5: Titans Guild Miner5 ---Miner#6: Titans Guild Miner6 ---Miner#7: Titans Guild Miner7 ---Miner#8: Titans Guild Miner8 ---Miner#9: Titans Guild Miner9 ---Miner#10: Titans Guild Miner10 GÇóMining efficiency - 92% overall average. Start up and shutdown included. --- ~255.555/~277.777 m3 per second (Procurer fleet) Result: Full procurer fleet fit and active/standby as the situation see's fit. All that is needed now is Rorqual. Issues Little mining amount done today. Found a high sec to empire space wormhole, took that opportunity to transport ice refine and to bring home full fit procurers. Resolved?: Yes Result: Majority of fleet is complete. End of Day 6 report.
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 34	Posted - 2013.12.21 12:06:00 - [30] - Quote Status Report: Day 7 mining GÇó4 and 1/2 hours mined GÇóFleet Size: 12 ---Orca: Gray Spike ---Hauler: Kaling of Titans ---Miner#1: Titans Guild Miner ---Miner#2: Titans Guild Miner2 ---Miner#3: Titans Guild Miner3 ---Miner#4: Titans Guild Miner4 ---Miner#5: Titans Guild Miner5 ---Miner#6: Titans Guild Miner6 ---Miner#7: Titans Guild Miner7 ---Miner#8: Titans Guild Miner8 ---Miner#9: Titans Guild Miner9 ---Miner#10: Titans Guild Miner10 GÇóMining efficiency - 95% overall average. Start up and shutdown included. --- ~337.770/~356.60 m3 per second (Procurer fleet) Result: Agreement with Darsec Tracer, the jump freighter Ark has been acquired. I payed 1.6billion, he covered the rest. It will be a shared item. After today's mining trip combined with yesterdays, have 1.7Bill of the 2Bill needed for the Rorqual. Issues None Fleet standing after the first week . GÇó10 Miners . GÇó1 Hauler . GÇó6 Retrievers . GÇó10 Procurers Ships currently on loan: . GÇóOrca . GÇóRetriever x4 Ships with shared cost . GÇóArk jump freighter - 1.6 billion isk . GÇóObelisk freighter - 366 million isk Weekly mining total: 29,090 +/-(2) Value of weekly mining: ~5.5billion isk. Items payed from loans Miners: 5x from Ricks money. $10 still on hold. Miners: 1x from Kithran's 1billion. Miners: 1x from Darsec Tracer's 778k Oxygen iso ~450mill Procurer w/fits: 10x from remaining amount of Kithran's 1billion. Total: 4.45bill isk 1.45bill isk from in-game players. ~600mill is being added on Darsec for the Orca. ~1.1bill total on his behalf. Items payed from mined Isk Fittings: ~500mil Obelisk: 366mill Ark: 1.6bill Retriever 6x: ~240mill Accounts 4x: ~1.95bill Total: ~4.66billion Misc: ~700-800mill starting funds. Since I am just a short way from getting the Rorqual, I will consider the major items obtained, and from here on out will maintain a weekly update until remainder of the loan is filled or Jan 9th rolls by. After that updates on payments made will be made. Isk for option C will start accruing once 12 plexes have been acquired. Have a merry EvEmas everybody, and remember folks, bad memories are created when you let your friends drive drunk. Lets create happy memories, and call a taxi for your friends. o7



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