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Slave A00073078
Northern Raven Reconnaissance Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.12.08 01:06:00 -
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Not like capsuleers have ever cared about laws. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
645
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Posted - 2013.12.08 08:55:00 -
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I do not see why the Amarr Empire should bother negociating with what seems like freedom fighter demands, which, as far as I remember, are still flagged as a criminal entity by CONCORD itself to that day.
If I am assuming too much, then I do not see why the Amarr Empire should negociate with people that can only paint slavery with broad stroke and did not even bother to actually look at facts.
You would have called for a reform (contrary to an eradication), I am sure you would have garnered a lot more support. |
Blaise Cadelanne
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
12
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Posted - 2013.12.09 17:47:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Blaise Cadelanne wrote: The Nation is not bound by any laws, Just a note here because I hate it when SYNE pilots get things so factually incorrect, but this is factually incorrect. We follow stricter laws than YOU do, we just don't follow CONCORD's laws.
My sincerest apologies. I did not mean to call your organizational laws into question, I was referring to CONCORD laws when stating that the Nation is not bound by any laws. I am sure that you follow your laws closely.
Blaise Cadelanne
The Synenose Accord
Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
1845
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Posted - 2013.12.09 19:13:00 -
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Blaise Cadelanne wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Blaise Cadelanne wrote: The Nation is not bound by any laws, Just a note here because I hate it when SYNE pilots get things so factually incorrect, but this is factually incorrect. We follow stricter laws than YOU do, we just don't follow CONCORD's laws. My sincerest apologies. I did not mean to call your organizational laws into question, I was referring to CONCORD laws when stating that the Nation is not bound by any laws. I am sure that you follow your laws closely.
Appreciated. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
253
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:34:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Ohhh Leopold ... what the fark have your Angels been selling in Minmatar space lately? Seriously, you need to start finding test subjects for your new drug markets that aren't already psychotic to begin with. I'm sure we can find some condemned murders or something that we can make vanish from official records. Cheap.
I suppose you must've ran into a bad batch. Happens. Just offer a lower price next time; that's how the free market works after all.
Ferro Mapindazi wrote:
You look for sympathy while offering none to those suffering in front of you.
Standard fanatic/zealot/freedom-fighter rhetoric. 'I may be a homicidal maniac, but at least I'm not as bad as those guys I'm shooting at.'
Might want to look at the mirror a bit; you might find yourself to share much in common with that which you hate so fervourously.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim
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Angels are never far...
Stillwater Corporation recruitment open. |
Ferro Mapindazi
Drake Ashigaru
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Posted - 2013.12.10 17:57:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:Ferro Mapindazi wrote:
You look for sympathy while offering none to those suffering in front of you.
Standard fanatic/zealot/freedom-fighter rhetoric. 'I may be a homicidal maniac, but at least I'm not as bad as those guys I'm shooting at.' Might want to look at the mirror a bit; you might find yourself to share much in common with that which you hate so fervourously. Perhaps I misread your corp rules of conduct that prohibit smack talking anywhere.
Or perhaps it is just an outdated rule you have since rejected but not remembered to delete from your posted code of conduct. These things happen as I can attest to myself.
For the record I do not hate neither the amarr, nor their ammatar puppets. The act of slavery is what is inhuman, and I hope to dissuade decent people from continuing to allow/ support it by every effective means at my disposal.
Eject from your ship & flee! No quarter is given to the enemies of the Matari people and the Minmatar Republic!
Drake Ashigaru Alliance, we hold fast to our principles, if we make a deal, we keep the deal, if you give your word you are bound by it.-á |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3600
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Posted - 2013.12.10 18:18:00 -
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Or perhaps you are literally so annoying that even the most upstanding individual would politely tell you to **** off.
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Ferro Mapindazi
Drake Ashigaru
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Posted - 2013.12.10 18:23:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Or perhaps you are literally so annoying that even the most upstanding individual would politely tell you to **** off. I will defer to your proven expertise in this regard sir.
Eject from your ship & flee! No quarter is given to the enemies of the Matari people and the Minmatar Republic!
Drake Ashigaru Alliance, we hold fast to our principles, if we make a deal, we keep the deal, if you give your word you are bound by it.-á |
Astera Zandraki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2013.12.11 21:11:00 -
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Pick your fights.
Slavery in the Empire is horrific but there is not going to be an end to it via direct intervention without the death of millions.
Slavery among the pirate organisations ie. the Angel Cartel, The Blood Raiders, Sansha's Nation is often far more horrific, and you can do more about it. |
Cuci Cairi
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2013.12.11 22:24:00 -
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Ferro Mapindazi wrote:
For the record I do not hate neither the amarr, nor their ammatar puppets. The act of slavery is what is inhuman, and I hope to dissuade decent people from continuing to allow/ support it by every effective means at my disposal.
The key phrase there is "effective means". Why do you think that your means will be any more successful than those who have failed before you? Why individual eggers think they can transform the cluster through the sheer power of their words is beyond me. It will be easier for you once you realize that you are not special, your righteous indignation is not unique, and your attempts to reform the entirety of the cluster are banal.
"Unbless'd thy hand! GÇö if in this low disguise
Wander, perhaps, some inmate of the skies." |
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Shiori Shaishi
Terpalen Trading Corporation
64
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Posted - 2013.12.11 22:56:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:..and you can do more about it.
As in, still killing millions, but without having to feel quite so guilty about it?
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Astera Zandraki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:12:00 -
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Violence does not achieve everything, it's rather a crude tool in fact. However, when it is used against pirate warships, it can be justified. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1075
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:23:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:Violence does not achieve everything, it's rather a crude tool in fact. However, when it is used against pirate warships, it can be justified.
Violence has proven an effective solution to most problems in human affairs all through history.
I'm sure all the lands and peoples conquered in the past at the point of the sword will agree from where they lie, in the dustbins of that history.
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Ferro Mapindazi
Drake Ashigaru
17
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Posted - 2013.12.12 08:41:00 -
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Cuci Cairi wrote:Why do you think that your means will be any more successful than those who have failed before you? The familiar battle cry of mediocrity.
The dull witted and spineless always believe they are powerless.
Sadly they clump everyone else in their pathetic ranks as well.
It must really suck to feel that insignificant.
Imagine how different the cluster would be if the first pilot to successfully jump to warp had felt that way, so many had failed already.
Eject from your ship & flee! No quarter is given to the enemies of the Matari people and the Minmatar Republic!
Drake Ashigaru Alliance, we hold fast to our principles, if we make a deal, we keep the deal, if you give your word you are bound by it.-á |
Dangirdas Bachir
Direct Support Initiative
760
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Posted - 2013.12.12 09:08:00 -
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Cookies for all who support this Initiative!
EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
286
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Posted - 2013.12.12 10:20:00 -
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Concord might be biased in favor of the Federation and Republic, but it would not support this 'initiative'. The Empire has legal authority to hold slaves, as acknowledged by Concord itself, and so has broken no interstellar laws. Concord should sooner take action against the Republic for its continued violations against other member states (and Concord itself).
And if you are opposed to slavery, then you should be looking towards the Angel Cartel and Blood Raiders, not the Empire. Those organizations, along with Nation, are where the real atrocities occur. |
Astera Zandraki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:30:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Violence has proven an effective solution to most problems in human affairs all through history.
I'm sure all the lands and peoples conquered in the past at the point of the sword will agree from where they lie, in the dustbins of that history.
Just how long did Heth sit on his throne of bayonets?
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Astera Zandraki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:34:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:
And if you are opposed to slavery, then you should be looking towards the Angel Cartel and Blood Raiders, not the Empire. Those organizations, along with Nation, are where the real atrocities occur.
You know as much as I that atrocities against slaves are committed on a daily basis in the Empire Sami, don't kid yourself. If there was regulation on treatment of prisoners (what slaves are, after all) then I might agree with you. But there isn't. So I don't.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2415
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Posted - 2013.12.12 15:16:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Violence has proven an effective solution to most problems in human affairs all through history.
I'm sure all the lands and peoples conquered in the past at the point of the sword will agree from where they lie, in the dustbins of that history.
Just how long did Heth sit on his throne of bayonets?
Long enough to discover that force alone doesn't make a ruler legitimate. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1078
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Posted - 2013.12.13 00:15:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Violence has proven an effective solution to most problems in human affairs all through history.
I'm sure all the lands and peoples conquered in the past at the point of the sword will agree from where they lie, in the dustbins of that history.
Just how long did Heth sit on his throne of bayonets?
And yet you fail to understand my comments completely.
As for Heth, he at least understood that when an opposing party in a negotiation becomes recalcitrant and refuses to negotiate, then at times you must indeed put the metaphorical barrel of a gun to their head to either promote further dialogue or enforce compliance to your will.
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Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
60
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Posted - 2013.12.13 01:10:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Violence has proven an effective solution to most problems in human affairs all through history.
I'm sure all the lands and peoples conquered in the past at the point of the sword will agree from where they lie, in the dustbins of that history.
Just how long did Heth sit on his throne of bayonets?
Long enough to screw up and lose nearly everything he managed to gain. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1078
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Posted - 2013.12.13 02:49:00 -
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It's always such a simple affair to issue denouncements when freed from consequence. |
Naomi Tichim
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
53
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Posted - 2013.12.13 04:16:00 -
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I do hope that slavery as currently practiced in the Empire will end. But it will end not because of outside force, but because WE - the Amarr - recognize its illegitimacy.
Your proposal would actually hamper the reform movement by forcing reformists to relocate to outside the Empire, where our voices are weaker. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
60
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Posted - 2013.12.13 04:22:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:It's always such a simple affair to issue denouncements when freed from consequence.
Something we all abuse, really. I don't hear the ring of disagreement there, however. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
240
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Posted - 2013.12.13 05:03:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Sir, I'd like to note that I didn't call you a name. I called your idea a name. It's a small point, but relevant.
By attacking the idea and not the person behind the idea it opens the way to sensible discourse. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
645
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Posted - 2013.12.13 18:42:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:
And if you are opposed to slavery, then you should be looking towards the Angel Cartel and Blood Raiders, not the Empire. Those organizations, along with Nation, are where the real atrocities occur.
You know as much as I that atrocities against slaves are committed on a daily basis in the Empire Sami, don't kid yourself. If there was regulation on treatment of prisoners (what slaves are, after all) then I might agree with you. But there isn't. So I don't.
Heideran and Doriam edicts are suddenly all fantasy now ? |
Naomi Tichim
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
53
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Posted - 2013.12.13 19:27:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Astera Zandraki wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:
And if you are opposed to slavery, then you should be looking towards the Angel Cartel and Blood Raiders, not the Empire. Those organizations, along with Nation, are where the real atrocities occur.
You know as much as I that atrocities against slaves are committed on a daily basis in the Empire Sami, don't kid yourself. If there was regulation on treatment of prisoners (what slaves are, after all) then I might agree with you. But there isn't. So I don't. Heideran and Doriam edicts are suddenly all fantasy now ?
Although they could be better enforced. If they'd have been followed... well, I would be happier. |
Ferro Mapindazi
Drake Ashigaru
18
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Posted - 2013.12.14 19:45:00 -
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Naomi Tichim wrote:I do hope that slavery as currently practiced in the Empire will end. But it will end not because of outside force, but because WE - the Amarr - recognize its illegitimacy.
Your proposal would actually hamper the reform movement by forcing reformists to relocate to outside the Empire, where our voices are weaker. Sadly the current state of affairs is that all the amarr of good conscious who dare to speak up risk being labeled heretic. Sometimes a brain drain, in this case the people of good conscious leaving could be what it takes to spur the empire into action.
I believe it will take drastic dramatic action to enable the voluntary eradication of slavery, jamyl needs a public outcry to stimulate her into action. There are people of good conscious that are living in amarr, they need support and these proposed sanctions against the empire would make their position stronger not weaker.
The status quo will not change without some major alteration to the consequences of living in a state that uses, profits, and connects religious validation to this inhumane practice of human slavery.
Evil has consequences.
Eject from your ship & flee! No quarter is given to the enemies of the Matari people and the Minmatar Republic!
Drake Ashigaru Alliance, we hold fast to our principles, if we make a deal, we keep the deal, if you give your word you are bound by it.-á |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
646
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:51:00 -
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I suppose that you also seek to reform the same kind of abuses happening right inside the Republic too ? |
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
225
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Posted - 2013.12.15 01:43:00 -
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You are stupid. |
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