Oh brother, another fruitcake.

And you're going to enforce this, How?

I know it's the season and all, but enough with the fruitcakes. I'd prefer to have stout and rum cakes.

So this is a grand ideology, but impossible to enforce. The Nation is not bound by any laws, and the Amarr Empire will not just change thousands of years of tradition, and laws to give up slavery. To attempt to declare the Amarr enemies of New Eden will require a vast amount of firepower, millions of technicians to shut down gates, and of course the cooperation among the Galantean, Minmatari, and Caldari to bring together a cohesive force to launch against the Amarr empire.

A war of this magnitude would easily kill billions on every side, and what's to stop each faction from attacking the others? Then there are the null sec territories who may see their chance to expand and take what they can while the combined fleets battle the Amarr Empire. There is simply too much in the way of loss and destruction to believe that this would ever be a functional idea. The Amarr have attempted to use force to spread their faith before, and it has not gone well, what makes you believe that this will fare any better?

I agree that slavery is monstrous, but a large scale war will just create more chaos, and that is not what New Eden needs. Diplomacy and cooperation are the tools to better our galaxy, death and destruction are only useful if they can create a lasting peace. This proposal will lead us into a very long dark war that will leave no one better off, and many a good deal worse. CONCORD was created to keep the factions in check, and to maintain the peace, it has its flaws but I don't believe that they would enforce the destruction of one of the founders either.

In the end this is a passionate plea for the state of slavery, but a foolish attempt to spark a war that could engulf all of New Eden. Fruitcakes seem to be the order of the day.

All the legal teeth you requested in this would need to come from CONCORD. It would, essentially, be the recasting of a signatory member as something akin to the Blood Raider Covenant.

This is all possible, of course, except that it would require the Empress to sign off on making her own state a Galactic Pariah. She won't. This is doomed to fail.

Today's Batch of Frothing Lunacy

Zzzzzzz.


Addendum: Ohhh Leopold ... what the fark have your Angels been selling in Minmatar space lately? Seriously, you need to start finding test subjects for your new drug markets that aren't already psychotic to begin with. I'm sure we can find some condemned murders or something that we can make vanish from official records. Cheap.

Thank you sir for disagreeing without calling me a name. There is hope for intelligent communication here on IGS.

No problem at all. I see your initiative as attempting to fight your conflict on a different battlefield - the negotiating table. As such it is actually a step forward towards a peaceful settlement to the situation and not a step backwards.

As a Caldari I would oppose it simply because it would remove the support of our ally and I have no faith that the Federation would not immediately take advantage, but that doesn't mean that I can't appreciate the care and attention to detail you showed in putting your policy together.

Now, you've put together the 'Or Else' part of the package, you should really give some thought to a detailed proposal on an actual solution to the slavery question that wouldn't result in economic collapse for both the Republic and Empire and starvation for all those freed slaves.

Seriously. Give it some thought. Identify some worlds they could move to. Work out how you'd feed and/or house them (Did you know you can convert old Bestowers or Sigils or Mammoths to housing complexes? Did you know the Caldari are the cluster's experts at creating ssustaining environments in artificial spaces? All that technology is purchasable - reach out to a Caldari Corporation.)

You can start making preparations! You might find you get more traction this way.

CONCORD is a neutral police force

CONCORD already has the Nation flagged as a criminal entity and all that entails.

To place sanctions upon the Empire as you describe, would require the removal of the Empire from the CONCORD Assembly. How do you propose this is possible, given current politics of status quo? To remove the Empire from the Assembly would mean nothing more than the dissolution of CONCORD and the potential of total war, not the abolishment of slavery by any extent that I can see.

In truth, your sentiments hinge on convincing the corporations of the State to back your proposal since the Republic and Federation are already hostile to the Empire? What do the Caldari people gain from removing the Empire from the Assembly and embarking on the path of hostilities towards an Amarr Empire that has maintained forthright accord, respect, and tolerance towards the State?

I see nothing to be gained but placing the State in a tenuous military, political, and economic situation by breaking the present state of alliance with the Empire.

The Nation is not bound by any laws,

Drake Ashigaru alliance bio: "If you are the type who would rather build something instead of shooting someone to earn your isk you might want to contact us about membership.

However we do not intend to be toothless carebears we will not start a fight but we certainly intend to win any forced upon us."

Ferro Mapindazi's personal bio: "Ransom income is up and topped over 3 billion isk last month, good job you pirates!"

Oh the hypocrisy ...

Meanwhile ... "We have successfully prosecuted 2 wars without losing a single ship to our opponents"

Verily, all of New Eden doth tremble.

In reality, all we really have here folks is your dull, stereotypical pirate/thug, concerned with nothing except lining his own pockets, and trying to justify it all to the rest of the cluster by doing the knee-jerk "I happen to be Minmatar so I'm going an an anti-slavery crusade" routine.

He may as well call his company "Gankstas Inc" or something more appropriate to his true nature - namely, that of a common criminal, and nothing more.

"We do not want genocide. We simply want to poison non-slaveholder residents of a caste-system population with Insorum, infer we can starve out an entire faction with sanctions...".

You are surprised we collect ransom from pilots we snare in low or null sec space? Welcome to EVE.

You are surprised that some things said in a public document are outdated and not 100% accurate? Welcome to EVE.

We all have day jobs. That does not mean we should not stand up against slavery. You can call me names if that makes you feel better. Given the opportunity I'll let you pay a ransom to escape alive in your pod. Just part of my day job.

Allowing pilots to pay ransoms does keep the killmail count low but we work for isk.

All of EVE tremble because of our tiny war record ..... I think not.

We are a small time operation, a small alliance. Fortunately it does not always require a fleet of 100 ships to be effective.

I look forward to what a mighty pilot like you will teach us simple thuggish common criminal hypocrites.

Just a note here because I hate it when SYNE pilots get things so factually incorrect, but this is factually incorrect.

We follow stricter laws than YOU do, we just don't follow CONCORD's laws.

My sincerest apologies. I did not mean to call your organizational laws into question, I was referring to CONCORD laws when stating that the Nation is not bound by any laws. I am sure that you follow your laws closely.

Ohhh Leopold ... what the fark have your Angels been selling in Minmatar space lately? Seriously, you need to start finding test subjects for your new drug markets that aren't already psychotic to begin with. I'm sure we can find some condemned murders or something that we can make vanish from official records. Cheap.

You look for sympathy while offering none to those suffering in front of you.

Standard fanatic/zealot/freedom-fighter rhetoric. 'I may be a homicidal maniac, but at least I'm not as bad as those guys I'm shooting at.'
Might want to look at the mirror a bit; you might find yourself to share much in common with that which you hate so fervourously.

Or perhaps you are literally so annoying that even the most upstanding individual would politely tell you to **** off.

For the record I do not hate neither the amarr, nor their ammatar puppets. The act of slavery is what is inhuman, and I hope to dissuade decent people from continuing to allow/ support it by every effective means at my disposal.

..and you can do more about it.

Violence does not achieve everything, it's rather a crude tool in fact. However, when it is used against pirate warships, it can be justified.

Why do you think that your means will be any more successful than those who have failed before you?

Violence has proven an effective solution to most problems in human affairs all through history.

I'm sure all the lands and peoples conquered in the past at the point of the sword will agree from where they lie, in the dustbins of that history.

And if you are opposed to slavery, then you should be looking towards the Angel Cartel and Blood Raiders, not the Empire. Those organizations, along with Nation, are where the real atrocities occur.

Just how long did Heth sit on his throne of bayonets?

Just how long did Heth sit on his throne of bayonets?

Just how long did Heth sit on his throne of bayonets?

It's always such a simple affair to issue denouncements when freed from consequence.

Sir, I'd like to note that I didn't call you a name. I called your idea a name. It's a small point, but relevant.

You know as much as I that atrocities against slaves are committed on a daily basis in the Empire Sami, don't kid yourself. If there was regulation on treatment of prisoners (what slaves are, after all) then I might agree with you. But there isn't. So I don't.

Heideran and Doriam edicts are suddenly all fantasy now ?

I do hope that slavery as currently practiced in the Empire will end. But it will end not because of outside force, but because WE - the Amarr - recognize its illegitimacy.

Your proposal would actually hamper the reform movement by forcing reformists to relocate to outside the Empire, where our voices are weaker.

I think everything that could be said on this matter has been said. I do not necessarily abide slavery and I recognize Mr. Ferro for his candor but getting rid of the Amarr as a signatory of CONCORD is playing a dangerous move.

Slavery is not isolated to only Amarrian interests, but is widespread across New Eden, even your precious Minmatar are known for enslaving not only their own kind but others, either out of spite or other "reasons". Slavery as you call it when pointing at the Amarrian state, is not "Slavery" as we see it. Sure there are deviants to the holy word and they suffer the judgement of God, but slavery exists in the Amarrian state to uplift and provide opportunity for those who do not know the glory of God. Those that toil do so for the State, and are secure in the knowledge that they have a place in the light of God.

CONCORD exists only with the good will of the Amarrian State. Any attempt by the other Empires or any other outside force to enforce justifications against our outreach to uplift the lost souls of New Eden will suffer retribution on a scale that not even they could comprehend. There are many of us who would welcome such, after all... the fall of CONCORD would hail the renewal of the Reclaiming.

You speak of uplifting but I see a thin veil to hide blatant Imperialism and domination.

One could say the same thing about every nation in New Eden. What's your point?