The nullbears have way too much influence on CCP.

Sounds like a normal day in highsec to me.

You can use dscan. If you cloak, however, they can't. They have no way of knowing you're there, and you have all the time in the world to investigate the system and see if anybody's there. Of course, the reality of it is there won't be anyone there, or anywhere else for that matter.

And CCP Fozzie did in interview where he quite clearly said local will not be removed until there is something to replace it. So this is alot of sturm und drang about nothing.

You can use dscan. If you cloak, however, they can't. They have no way of knowing you're there, and you have all the time in the world to investigate the system and see if anybody's there. Of course, the reality of it is there won't be anyone there, or anywhere else for that matter.

it's about trolling "nullbears"

like the "large nullbear tears" thread, there's no real productive purpose

no you will be caught by marmite on jita undock

try again

Rat aligned.

I think the point is that having to use d-scan or probes would mean you'd have to work at it more than you do now. Now you jump in system and before you even load grid you know who is in that system. Remove local and you wouldn't (or more accurately stop having it list all pilots in system automatically). You'd have to warp around and d-scan or drop probes. Basically, you'd have to work for the information you are to a large extent handed on silver platter with the current mechanic.

Ganking would be easier in the sense that now when you jump into a system everyone is in warp to a safe before you even load grid....which is one reason we have AFK cloaking.

And if there is any change to local, I fully expect a nerf to cloaks...i.e. becoming susceptible to scan probes or something like that.

And CCP Fozzie did in interview where he quite clearly said local will not be removed until there is something to replace it. So this is alot of sturm und drang about nothing.

You could easily get away with knowing how many people are in system and what status they have towards you.

Yeah, I'm sure that'll help when a bomber will be able to decloak, lock, and point faster than I can react.

I'd be PERFECTLY happy with just this.

And as far as cloaks go: if there's someone cloaked in system, I need to know at least that. I don't need to know who it is, or standings, etc. I think that if there's any way to avoid showing up in local, it should be on specialized ships that aren't able to fit offensive modules.

From my point of view, local is fine as is, but if it were to change the only change I'd make is having everyone (not just cloakers) not show up on local until after they break gate cloak. Once you've broken gate cloak, I see no reason that you would not show up on IFF (which is essentially what local is).

I don't think you do.

...From my point of view, local is fine as is, but if it were to change the only change I'd make is having everyone (not just cloakers) not show up on local until after they break gate cloak. Once you've broken gate cloak, I see no reason that you would not show up on IFF (which is essentially what local is).

Also only trolls defend local without giving any reasons.

Local is obviously not relevant to PVE or PVP, but maybe for shitposting and ASCII.

Just because you didn't read the reasons doesn't mean they weren't given, several times, in this thread and in threads previous. Now if you actually have an argument to put forth, we'd like to hear it.

I'd be PERFECTLY happy with just this.

Just because you typed something on the forums doesn't mean that any reasons were given

Now if you actually have an argument for keeping local, we'd like to hear it.

what about awoxers? what about false-blues?

I guess proposed system will be heavens for all those "wulf covered by sheep skin".

Corporations are responsible for reimbursing losses caused by any awoxers they let in. I'm not terribly worried about that. With reimbursement there are no (or not many) tears, consequently a good portion of the motivation to awox is taken away.

So you didn't feel like reading. That's too bad for you then. Guess we won't include you in the discussion.

But with all things being equal and most mechanics in Eve having some sort of dark side, wouldn't that approach necessitate the introduction of a passive module that suppresses the onboard IFF equipment?
That is, more of a wormie behaviour (hidden until deliberate action) only with the addition of the required module.

Either way, I sincerely doubt any changes will be as inconsequential as 'hidden only under gate cloak' as it does not address the issue that a local change is needed to solve, namely: unlimited and effortless accurate intel at all times.

One could keep it simple and do a worm-K hybrid, having new entries show in local list as ????? and change it as information is gathered .. directional scan or probes would change ????? to "ship type/name" and eyes-on would change it further to include pilot name with ship type/name in hover text.

Yes I read, no arguments have been presented

FYI "I want to rat in perfect safety in nullsec becausebecause" isn't an argument