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Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.08 14:28:00 -
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All have been playtested to steamroll L4's with low but focused skillpoints on under 6 months old characters. All are easy to fit CPU wise and focus in training damage skills. Training the damage skills is the core of these fits: it both enables the fits to steamroll with range and damage, and makes you isk.
All of the fits tank the L4's easily by sniping from outside NPC range. Guristas missions can be iffy, but in practise get steamrolled. Against guristas fit 2x kinetic hardeners. Carry a mobile depot for the ability to adapt fittings in space.
All of the fits carry a tractor beam to snag mission objectives with MJD triangulation. Move around by MJD triangulation, practise the routine to get the most out of MJD cooldown by jumping back to next gate with a buffer of rats left to kill.
Knock yourself out!
 [Dominix, Newbie PVE MJD] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Armor Repairer II Internal Force Field Array I
Large Micro Jump Drive Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Small Tractor Beam I [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Drone Scope Chip I
Garde II x5 - 820dps to 100km optimal range Bouncer II x5 - 717dps to 130km drone range Curator II x5 - 666dps to 130km drone range
 [Armageddon, Newbie PVE MJD] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Armor Repairer II Internal Force Field Array I
Large Micro Jump Drive Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Small Tractor Beam I [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Curator II x5 - 666dps to 110km Bouncer II x5 - 717dps to 130km Warden II x5 - 615dps to 150km (garde II 820dps to 60km)
 [Raven, Newbie PVE MJD] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II
Large Micro Jump Drive EM Ward Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Large Shield Booster II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Shield Boost Amplifier II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hobgoblin II x5
Fury missile 888dps to 150km lock range, triple rigor damage application. |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:20:00 -
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Onictus wrote:That Raven you can also swap the SeBo for a cap booster and not have to range tank everything. So less waiting around for the MJD to cooldown. Absolutely correct for a ready character.
Not on a very young character running L4 / anomalies, though. The MJD is only there to forego tank requirement, as MJD reduces your DPS to missile travel time on spawn triggers. |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.09 13:29:00 -
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Neor Deninard wrote:That Domi will die soooooo fast vs. guristas
And slowboating 40km to a gate or mission container isn't fun either
Both points are addressed in op. These fits are thoroughly proven in L4s. |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.09 13:35:00 -
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Blake Phosphor wrote:Especially in L4s, many battleships will hunt you down to some degree. On many missions this will suit you, but on my domi (even with t2 sentries) I often take damage from battleships at 70k+. If the domi posted fails to maintain a good 100km+, it will either have to warp or die very quickly. Also, whats up with the rigs? Just use more drone link augmenters, I dont know of any noobie who has perfect targeting skills, so 4/5 drone links is often enough to serve any purpose. And for the love of god, t2 damage control. you expect t2 links but not t2 damage control?
Valid points in theory. In practise the fits are optimized:
GÇó range tank steamrolls L4's in practise, thoroughly playtested GÇó scope rigs are not stacking penalized with omnidirs resulting 100km optimal gardes GÇó t2 damage control is CPU hungry, can skip electronics v and drones rigging iv through meta
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Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.12.09 13:38:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:The only thing I'd quibble about is the fifth DDA in the Dominix and Armageddon fits. Drone damage is variable in the same way turret damage is (grazing shots, wrecking shots, etc.), and once you're past four DDA's, I'm not sure you get enough of a DPS boost to be noticeable over the natural fluctuations in drone DPS. For a newbie, I'd probably recommend an extra tank module in place of the fifth DDA.
The fifth DDA gives a 15-20 dps boost. A good alternative is to carry a hardener in the slot. |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.09 14:28:00 -
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Good questions above.
The sebo hits a sweet spot of 140 targeting / 130 drone control ish. Signal amp range limitation costs a lot of dps in practise. However, the ones you need to co-max are drone optimal, control and lock range. A good eft excersise, keeping in mind the cpu ease and low sp!
The fifth DDA is a rather decent boost, not as penalized as on most turret ships: 15-20dps
The drone fits work for experienced players as they are, because they are quite maxed for dps. On raven and gedson you should look for non mjd fits though if you want to min max. Those are a different topic but: raven "standard", armageddon 50km cruise-sentry or laser-sentry. |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.09 17:48:00 -
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Blake Phosphor wrote:Miasmos wrote:Blake Phosphor wrote:Especially in L4s, many battleships will hunt you down to some degree. On many missions this will suit you, but on my domi (even with t2 sentries) I often take damage from battleships at 70k+. If the domi posted fails to maintain a good 100km+, it will either have to warp or die very quickly. Also, whats up with the rigs? Just use more drone link augmenters, I dont know of any noobie who has perfect targeting skills, so 4/5 drone links is often enough to serve any purpose. And for the love of god, t2 damage control. you expect t2 links but not t2 damage control? Valid points in theory. In practise the fits are optimized: GÇó range tank steamrolls L4's in practise, thoroughly playtested GÇó scope rigs are not stacking penalized with omnidirs resulting 100km optimal gardes GÇó t2 damage control is CPU hungry, can skip electronics v and drones rigging iv through meta Id like to see this. I have several 8.0s with corporations and have done hundreds of l4s and I can say that in quite a few missions if ANYTHING goes wrong you will simply die. Before one could use this fit, they would have to do much research and be very careful, definetly not noobie friendly
*Simply die waving hands, or MJD and warp away - if anything ever manages to go *that* wrong. The amount of care taken is: 1) MJD when entering room. 2) Shoot frigates first on approach, then focus down the rest, sorting by range to kill close ones first.
Not rocket science. |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.09 19:20:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote:Miasmos wrote:GÇó scope rigs are not stacking penalized with omnidirs resulting 100km optimal gardes Hmm, hadn't realized that, are they stacking penalized with each other? I remember there was a time when the omnis weren't stacking penalized. That might make it worth switching from my current domi, to my Geddon (as I have Amarr BS V, but only gal BS IV), and then re-rig the geddon, although I'd have to check the CPU Still, in general, the fits look way too squishy and stacking penalized. MJDing back to a gate, and sitting around for 3 minutes for it to cooldown again is not what I'd call blitzing. 2/3 of them also assumes rather extensive drone skills, I know you said focused... but.... that is quite a bit of specialization. Given the price of a domi now, I might be tempted to tell them they can use some faction stuff in place of skills (ie Fed navy omni links, and only do sharpshooting IV) Black eagle DLAs are nice too, but a bit expensive... but if you're blitzing lvl 4s, you can do the gallente epic arc soon enough I guess.
About the penalization and squishiness, looks can be deceiving. It's the focus that makes them work, including on the skillpoint department. The focus allows skipping on the tank department as you kill stuff before it reaches range to shoot you. Making compromises rapidly moves you from "don't need tank" to "have to fit full tank", especially on a low SP character.
FN omnidirectionals are an excellent call on the dominix, reaching 110km gardes. BE DLA's could also be good, as CPU is very hard on the DLA's especially.
Pimping it too much crosses the line of "gank-worthy" though! This is the primary reason of using a damage control too, as the EHP would be in the target range of a pair of tornados without it on a low SP character. |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.10 05:16:00 -
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Celia Therone wrote:I don't think that this fit will clear the Angel Extravaganza bonus room? In fact anything with a bunch of turrets I would be concerned with? Anything that ewars you so you can't target and then spawns warp disrupting frigates could get interesting pretty quickly like in the blockade?
The AE bonus room requires fitting tank (tested). Gurista missions are the other thing you want a tank in.
The blockade is cakewalk as you kill frigates on approach both on your targeting and sentry targeting. EWAR is a non-issue and diminishes also greatly from your range. |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.10 05:19:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:5 DDA's is just plain crazy and a waste of a low slot
It's 15-20dps which is quite meaningful, but in some cases you could be better off with a co-processor and another drone link augmentor. Then your lock range becomes the limitation, though. |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.10 05:37:00 -
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Mission fitting has a philosophical change nowadays as you can adapt with mobile depot. What I do is fit for the 90% I can run without any tank and swap on fly for the 10% of cases where my shield is ever breached.
The 5 DDAs boost the majority scenario, but there could be a way to optimise it, perhaps co-pro and DLA. |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.10 07:03:00 -
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Caldari 5 wrote:Tractor Beams aren't needed with the new Deployables, you can drop those and then come back with Noctis/Destroyer to mop up
Tractor is very much needed in the general fit IMHO.
The point of it is with two MJD clicks and tractor you get the mission objective can. Shoot rats in between the mjd clicks. The tractor has saved me a lot of slowboating.
The tractor could well be refitted for the occasion, but I found myself using it enough to warrant a spot in the base fit. |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.11 07:47:00 -
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Kosetzu wrote:Isn't it better to use 2 rigors and 1 flare than all rigors?
A classic question.
The answer is: Rigors are always better, unless it is t2 flare vs t1 rigor, in which case the general consensus is on some boats a combo of 2x rigor and 1x t2 flare is better than 3x rigor. IIRC this was on CNR (have seen graphs). Generally a safe assumption is that rigors are always better for cruise missiles.
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Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.11 08:24:00 -
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marVLs wrote:d o n t f i t 5 d a m a g e m o d s . . . S T A H P
< Picture portrays me fitting 5 damage mods. |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.11 15:07:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:Yeah, you get a bit of extra DPS from the fifth damage mod, but given that your variation in damage is greater than the benefit of the fifth mod, isn't an extra tank module in case of emergencies a better idea, especially since you're portraying these as newbie fits, and lack of experience can lead to errors which, with a thin-tanked gank boat, can leave one with a destroyed mission runner?
A well argumented point! Might as well comply.
I think I'll have an EANM there. |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.12 12:09:00 -
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^ good advice above. Have a standard fit that is the best in most practical situations (5 DDA in practise for me), switch around on the fly (guristas mission hardening, serpentis sensor boosting, AE bonus room buffertank). |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.19 16:31:00 -
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Lokee Skyhart wrote:IIshira wrote:Lokee Skyhart wrote:hello...i hope i'm asking right questions here hehe.. i'm still quite new in here..i have played eve on 2011 iirc..and just got back again i was piloting drake before i left and now i made a new account still piloting drake...until now, i have enough ISK to get me a battleship.. i was thinking raven at first but recently i kinda tired with missiles and trying to get a new fresh air,either ship's design,playstyle,etc... right now i'm interested with PVE only, and my eyes are set on both dominix and armageddon..although i prefer megathron to dominix purey because it's much cooler hahahahahaha... so..any suggestion? i'm looking for more challenging playstyle though  I would have made a new thread For missions it would depend on what you want. Dominix or Armageddon means lots of drone skills and can be fun. Expect to micro manage drones because they will take aggro. Missiles can be boring but missions in general can be boring as well. Make sure you have good core and tanking skills before you get into a battleship. Do level 3's in a battlecruiser till you get them. You'll make more ISK as well. I've heard that a T3 can be challenging since you have to kite a lot of DPS but I'm not sure since I don't fly one. hmm..if it's like that then i prob take it slow and have raven for a while and see how it's fare..if i got bored i could always sell it and try another ships while making ISK along the way on my drake :D from there, i might train for dom or arma along the way...somehow... hehehe thanks a lot :D
All the fits in the OP are well suited for you I think. Pick one and go for it! Armageddon has the most potential of these ships but least upgrade: a cruise missile + sentry drone armageddon is quite good but there's not much to stretch those skills for later on. Raven upgrades to Golem which is really nice. Dominix upgrades to rattlesnake with missile skills much later on. |

Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.20 12:41:00 -
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The above underlined.
Also, in the time it takes to master stuff stuff gets rebalanced anyway, in the standard 5 year balancing cycles. |
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