So, this is a thread full of elite PvPers complaining about people having found counters to their tactics. Of course, it would be nice if everyone would just offer themselves up on a plate to their betters but some people are going to, you know, not want to die.

There is an easy answer to stabs. Simply fit more points. But most of the elite guys don't want to do that because they don't want to gimp their own fits. Unfortunately, though, that's what it comes down to - you have to make choices. There are means at your disposal to defeat these tactics but you don't want to take advantage of them because that will stop you doing other things that you like to do. Tough. You can't have everything and you can't expect the game to be designed to force everyone to play in the style that suits you.

As to cloaks, the issue here is no different than it is anywhere else in the game. Cloaky guys are hard to kill. Like anyone else in the game going up against cloaks, you have to live with that. Cloaky ships cannot run down timers with the cloak activated so if you force someone to cloak you can sit in the plex and run down the timer yourself. Well done, you have won that battle and neutralised his ability to pursue control of the warzone. No real problem (unless of course you just want to kill things and don't really want to sit around running the timer down?).

TLDR: We want more PvP, not chasing stabbed frigates around,

Roime, you have my support

They will still be able to farm, Timer Rollbacks will just dent em a little bit, not put them out of business. Also, plenty of PVP is to be had grinding plexes, if mains had to do more of it there would be even more plex fighting in 1 v 1 or small gang.

Also, I assume your signature is because you are a farming alt?