I know I speak for most FW pilots when I say enough is enough

As everybody knows by now, FW experience has been ruined by allowing low-SP alts in stabbed T1 frigates and empty clones to both farm insane amounts of ISK and affect warzone control.

Instead of fighting each others, the PVP-minded FW pilots are forced to chase farmers out of plexes- endlessly. This is the most frustrating thing I've faced in EVE, and it's now time for CCP to acknowledge the situation.

My corpmate wrote a good blog post that lists the commonly suggested solutions:

- timer rollbacks
- buffing the NPCs
- rebalancing warp core stabs
- cloak prevention mechanism

Currently the farmers risk nearly nothing in space assets, time spent or lost value- cheapest PVE ships possible in game, timers don't reset and there's always a new plex to farm.

If you support fixing FW, post your ideas here, on all relevant forum sections or anywhere, contact your CSM representative or CCP directly. I know I speak for most FW pilots when I say enough is enough, farming has to end. It's up to us to make CCP wake up.

Too many powerful groups are heavily invested in FW farming for CSM, or CCP, to do anything about it.

That being said, if the day comes that CCP does nerf FW LP income, then I imagine they will have already axed incursion income, and L4 income.

Mate, most FW pilots are farming alts, so you are definitely not speaking for 'most FW pilots'.

What is your point actually, you don't like farmers ? You don't want guys to make LPs/ISK easily ? Is something preventing you to make the same isk yourself ?

My opinion is the only problem with FW is the lack of goals / no reason to push forward after a certain tier has been achieved, no endgame in it whatsoever, only the constant cycle.

The income is comparable to low-end sleeper PVE, hisec L4 missions and requires less than 1/10th of the SP and ISK investment.

Such asGǪ?

You could say all of these things or you could say its all boll**ks.

Your choice.

surprisingly bad isk/hr

Right now I'm barely making 400m/hr

Right now I'm barely making 400m/hr

surprisingly bad isk/hr

You know that other thread we have, where the wormhole-dweller OP got ganked in highsec in his faction fit ECM Tengu? There's insinuation that because wormhole dwellers make so much ISK, they lose touch of what a more standard income actually is. That seems to be happening here. Of course the difference is that wormhole dwellers have to put considerably more effort and risk into what they do for their gains.

Or maybe he just was being sarcastic. Not that it would've stopped him, and others, from using what they can use

I don't care if FW mission runners make 2bil/hr no matter how broken it is, since their mission running has no effect on system occupancy.

Too many powerful groups are heavily invested in FW farming for CSM, or CCP, to do anything about it.
That being said, if the day comes that CCP does nerf FW LP income, then I imagine they will have already axed incursion income, and High Sec L4 income.

More importantly, you could say all of those things and still be left with the question of GÇ£So what?GÇ¥

Why would the CSM or CCP not do anything about it if it's a problem? What are these powerful groups? How are they keeping CCP from fixing things that are broken?

L4s at T3/4 are surprisingly bad isk/hr, because everyone else is busy crashing the LP price. Right now I'm barely making 400m/hr

Rainbow Dash was rather obviously sarcastic, but FW L4s are not really relevant to this thread- I don't care if FW mission runners make 2bil/hr no matter how broken it is, since their mission running has no effect on system occupancy. The hundreds of stealth bombers flying around are irrelevant.

Disposable plex farming alts, however, can't be ignored. These farmers will eventually push the system vulnerable if left unattended. No RF timers, no PVP, just week old alts orbiting a button.

Isn't this the same type of stuff when people complain about "Disposable Gank Alts"?

So, is there a trend here of disposable alts being a problem in the game?

Or is it just a matter of, people only complain when it is their gameplay that is ****** with?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Is there a technical hurdle with implementing timer rollbacks? The timer is already there and knows if someone for one faction or both is within range and uncloaked. No one home? Poof back to original time.

+1 for timer rollbacks

P.S. Please make the rats slightly tougher and have them shoot anyone who isn't in their faction that enters the plex.