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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.12.11 16:02:00 -
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Dont UseYourAlt OnTheForums wrote:Maybe if you were sort of physics expert and/or knew anything about warp speed you could understand your non sensical thinking better to a point where your thoughts would become a lot less cloudy.
Warp speed could simply be achieved by and denominated as, a thing.
- There would be no way to accelarate your speed once in warp. - There would be no way to make your warp speed be faster than the "warp speed" of the body that is moving. - Mass could be directly within the warp speed equation
Hence more mass, less speed at warp speed.
Physics.. not your regular online, tic tac toe championships.
It could be where warp speed directly depends on MASS and only MASS, having a bigger (engine) or more powerful whateverprocessorcorerocketsciencepurpolsionmodule could mean jackshit.
1st - You dont know how warp speed is achieved. 2nd - You dont know if its a speed whereas acceleration plays a role or not. 3rd- It could be just a speed that is directly related to your mass, and not your horsepower.
Physics, .. clearly you are a fully incompetent at it.
My opinion on warp speed? I think warp speed is achieved instantaneously, just like in EVE.. after a certain acceleration, your ship would be brought up to warp speed. Not an acceleration process from 0 to max warp speed. But an acceleration to a certain speed, then WARP SPEED.. Max warp speed depending on your mass and NOT on your engline horse power.
Ever watched back to the future?.. that is a good example.
Derived speed through relative position? |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1377
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Posted - 2013.12.11 16:18:00 -
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Chandaris wrote: star destroyer
Neither destroys stars nor is small enough to be a destroyer
Admittedly the rebel "Medical Frigate" is frickin enormous Non omnis moriar |
Abisha Baboli
6
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Posted - 2013.12.11 16:29:00 -
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if you post sience at least make sure it's up to date. this was a celebration fault, nothing exist that go's faster then light, at least not yet discovered. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1624
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Posted - 2013.12.11 16:39:00 -
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My Battleship now warps slower than a three legged turtle.
Just one of those things that the good folk at CCP have decided to do.
It is how it is.
Onwards, ever onwards, albeit more slowly. This is not a signature. |
Revman Zim
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
208
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Posted - 2013.12.11 16:43:00 -
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I suggest reading the Honor Harrington series of Sci-Fi books by David Weber.
Interesting take on acceleration/deceleration as it pertains to space combat.
But basically, the bigger (read MORE MASS) the ship, the longer it takes to accelerate and the slower it would go over the same distance as a smaller (read LESS MASS) ship. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2636
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Posted - 2013.12.11 16:51:00 -
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For the same reason that an elephant is slower than a cheetah despite having longer legs and more powerful muscles. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.12.11 16:56:00 -
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Well, you see, when a mommy warp speed change and a daddy warp speed change love each other very very muchGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
595
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Posted - 2013.12.11 17:00:00 -
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as far as in-game explanation and lore is concerned, warp speed has always worked this way. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
PR0JECT 2501
Section Nine
2
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Posted - 2013.12.11 17:20:00 -
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Well I suppose there currently isn't any decent sci-fi tv shows to complain about continuity errors in...
A wizard did it? |
Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.12.11 17:29:00 -
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To further make it mind numbingly boring.
Maybe they could take their jumps from battlestar galactica. But even star trek ships go into warp when you hit the button, instead of sitting their, slowly gaining speed only to stop then warp.
Be nice if our ships acted like space vessels instead of airplanes also. |
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
571
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Posted - 2013.12.11 17:30:00 -
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There is no official lore reason for the change because the change was not made for lore reasons. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2637
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Posted - 2013.12.11 17:38:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:There is no official lore reason for the change because the change was not made for lore reasons.
Right. The lore reason is that it's always been like that. the term for that is "retcon". An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6886
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Posted - 2013.12.11 18:13:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:The Legendary Soldier wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:In other words warp drive is still fiction. There is a difference between "fiction", and "theoretically possible but we do not have the technology/power to achieve yet". Fairies, vampires, werewolves, pixies and deities are better examples of fiction... My favourite sort of films are Science Theoretically-possible-but-we-do-not-have-the-technology/power-to-achieve-yet films Yeah, that's kind of the point I was trying to make. Something being theoretically possible doesn't make it not fiction. A scandalous rendezvous between CCP Soundwave and Kate Upton is, while theoretically possible, still fiction until it happens. I'm reasonably sure it hasn't. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6886
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Posted - 2013.12.11 18:20:00 -
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That still doesn't stop me or really anyone else from entertaining notions like a television show about a secret government program to visit other planets being a front for a secret government program to visit other planets as demonstrated by this show about a secret government program to visit other planets portraying a show about a secret government program to visit other planets as a front for the aforementioned secret government program to visit other planets. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2013.12.11 19:12:00 -
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The Orca got screwed for 1/3 of it's warp speed. Down from 3.0au/sec to 2.0au/sec. This is not good for gameplay CCP, but then again you don't give a phuckhole about Orca pilots so screw them...I see..... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4965
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Posted - 2013.12.11 19:51:00 -
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Ghost Phius wrote:The Orca got screwed for 1/3 of it's warp speed. Down from 3.0au/sec to 2.0au/sec. This is not good for gameplay CCP, but then again you don't give a phuckhole about Orca pilots so screw them...I see..... Actually, larger ships actually moving more like larger ships should in relation to other ships is very good for game play.
Although I have to admit, it would be most interesting to see how things played out if CCP had gone the other way.
That being large ships remaining very slow at normal speeds, but quite a bit faster in warp than smaller craft. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Abisha Baboli
6
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Posted - 2013.12.11 19:53:00 -
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Ghost Phius wrote:The Orca got screwed for 1/3 of it's warp speed. Down from 3.0au/sec to 2.0au/sec. This is not good for gameplay CCP, but then again you don't give a phuckhole about Orca pilots so screw them...I see.....
personaly i will have balanced a other way by making smaller ships just faster. somehow game company's only think in Negative Terms. they can have made anything below cruisers warp faster, without touching larger ships. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
35
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Posted - 2013.12.11 20:39:00 -
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Not really true. I think there was even problems with fast warping ships and grid loading times. So right now the fastest warping ships are warping about as fast as the eve code base allows. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
792
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:25:00 -
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Big lumbering ships are slow, shocker. I kinda like this change, even though I enjoy flying BS I enjoy the broader range of possible warp speeds. Maybe a slight buff of the rigs affecting them is in order? Gameplay-wise I think it's a sound decision. |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
175
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Posted - 2013.12.13 04:05:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Big lumbering ships are slow, shocker. I kinda like this change, even though I enjoy flying BS I enjoy the broader range of possible warp speeds. Maybe a slight buff of the rigs affecting them is in order? Gameplay-wise I think it's a sound decision.
Tell me how sound you think it was after jumping 52 jumps total on a market run. Nah, it phucked gameplay for Orca hauler traders really badly. |
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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
306
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Posted - 2013.12.13 05:03:00 -
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The Legendary Soldier wrote:
Fairies, vampires, werewolves, pixies and deities are better examples of fiction...
To you maybe. You must not be Icelandic. They go out of their way there to respect the homes of the Huldrfolk when they do construction. There are some similar traditions in Hawaii with the Menehune. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2013.12.13 05:21:00 -
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Physics in the EVE universe is based on rubber ducks in a bathtub.
This fact can be demonstrated in game by looking at what happens when two ships collide and also by the way your ship bobs up and down when sitting near a large object like a planet.
We know very little about ducks but two facts are clear:
a) They weight the same as a witch and hence can float.
b) Big ducks warp slower than small ducks.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
594
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Posted - 2013.12.13 05:39:00 -
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Ghost Phius wrote:The Orca got screwed for 1/3 of it's warp speed. Down from 3.0au/sec to 2.0au/sec. This is not good for gameplay CCP, but then again you don't give a phuckhole about Orca pilots so screw them...I see..... Of course, now you can put three Hyperspacial rigs onto it now, giving you a 3.91 AU warp speed that results in faster acceleration than before and meaningfully faster travel, and then add your 50% implants bonus onto it bringing you up above 5 AU, making your Orca warp more like a tech 1 frigate. But CCP hate making you make meaningful choices & trade offs like speed or tank and want to make everything easy for Orca pilots at the same time. |
Dextrome Thorphan
RvB - RED Federation
98
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Posted - 2013.12.24 10:38:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:The Legendary Soldier wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:In other words warp drive is still fiction. There is a difference between "fiction", and "theoretically possible but we do not have the technology/power to achieve yet". Fairies, vampires, werewolves, pixies and deities are better examples of fiction... My favourite sort of films are Science Theoretically-possible-but-we-do-not-have-the-technology/power-to-achieve-yet films
Dude there's a difference between scientific theories and science-fiction movies... always trying to be so clever but never making much sense. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1615
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Posted - 2013.12.24 10:41:00 -
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Dextrome Thorphan wrote:
Dude there's a difference between scientific theories and science-fiction movies... always trying to be so clever but never making much sense.
Maybe not to you, but my sense of humour isn't set to "entertain stupid dingleberries" *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Non omnis moriar |
Zalena Skytrayn
Xoras Spacelines Rebel Alliance of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2013.12.24 11:25:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Physics in the EVE universe is based on rubber ducks in a bathtub.
This fact can be demonstrated in game by looking at what happens when two ships collide and also by the way your ship bobs up and down when sitting near a large object like a planet.
We know very little about ducks but two facts are clear:
a) They weight the same as a witch and hence can float.
b) Big ducks warp slower than small ducks.
^^ this wins ..... |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel
1476
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Posted - 2013.12.25 05:27:00 -
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Dextrome Thorphan wrote: Or maybe I'm just missing something... feel free to enlighten me.
So you think a supertanker or a Panamax container ship should have just the same acceleration as a small dinghy with a 50hp engine, because after all the big ship can fit "more efficient, bigger engines". I think you need some physics classes. Esp those that have to do with Newton's laws, momentum, and heck even relativity. |
Centis Adjani
The Scope Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.12.25 06:23:00 -
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And why is the warp Speed of a POD sooooo slow (3 AU/s)? Its the smallest in game with nearly NO mass, and so should warp about 50 AU/s or more...
But coming to the topic question... CCP reduced the warp speed because ist always funny to nerf their players. Warping slower means to arrive later, so players spend a lot more time in game than before now. And the Yule Lads enjoy when the players now fall asleep in front of their screen because of the slow warp speed. So again players spend even more time in game now while sleeping during warp.
Additional its healthy to take a nap now between two mission fights while the ship slow boats to the next. So CCP cares for the health of their customers, giving them time for a nap. So takes away the stress players earned with these much tooo fast awful warp speeds in the past (about 3 AU/s for BS - much too fast for the standard human).
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ElQuirko
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
2857
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Posted - 2013.12.25 12:29:00 -
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Aurora Fatalis wrote:EVE's space is about as viscous as pudding.
It's harder to push a spoon through pudding than a knife.
Case closed. This... actually cleared this up for me. Should I be concerned? Dodixie > Hek |
Junn Typher
Typher Systems
1
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Posted - 2013.12.25 13:33:00 -
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Well, the more powerfull the engines are the faster you go. It would be logical that a battleship warps at the same speed as any other ship, cause they may be bigger and heavier, so are the engines. But i don't care about hard science. Really.
This is EvE, not Kerbal Space program ... |
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