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Dextrome Thorphan RvB - RED Federation 40	Posted - 2013.12.11 10:08:00 - [1] - Quote What exactly is the reasoning of making bigger SPACEships warp slower than smaller ships? I mean, those warp speed changes never made any sense to me. The acceleration changes, sure, those make perfect sense. But the warp changes... why would a little ship warp faster than a big ship? Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive to even out its increased mass? I mean it's just very strange logic... Or maybe I'm just missing something... feel free to enlighten me.
Ramona McCandless Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1369	Posted - 2013.12.11 10:10:00 - [2] - Quote Seriously Another thread C'mon man. This question is answered a million times anyway, in hundreds of other places. Ships may be weightless (or near to it) in space but they aren't mass-less No matter what made-upium reasoning allows FTL travel in EvE, it still has to take account that all ships are very dense, very mass-intensive objects. Unless you use some kind of non-euclidian physics, this attribute of the vessel must be taken into account in any power-to-mass calculation. There, fluff over High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild
thowlimer Roprocor Ltd 5	Posted - 2013.12.11 10:11:00 - [3] - Quote It's just one of those cases where producing an interesting game and realism works at cross purposes, and as in most such cases the developers tell realism to go take a hike while they produce a fun game
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 53	Posted - 2013.12.11 10:11:00 - [4] - Quote Warping is fiction to begin with, so the rules are strange no matter what CCP chooses. There is an explanation in one of the devblogs from memory.
Dextrome Thorphan RvB - RED Federation 40	Posted - 2013.12.11 10:16:00 - [5] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Seriously Another thread C'mon man. This question is answered a million times anyway, in hundreds of other places. Scipio Artelius wrote: Warping is fiction to begin with, so the rules are strange no matter what CCP chooses. There is an explanation in one of the devblogs from memory. I'm just asking for an official story behind it. I'm not complaining about the changes. Can only find dev blogs about the changes themselves, not the logic behind them.
Ramona McCandless Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1369	Posted - 2013.12.11 10:22:00 - [6] - Quote Dextrome Thorphan wrote: Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive to even out its increased mass? I mean it's just very strange logic.... Ramona McCandless wrote: Ships may be weightless (or near to it) in space but they aren't mass-less Yeah clearly not at all related to your question or the pointlessness of this redundant repeat of a previous thread High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild
Dextrome Thorphan RvB - RED Federation 40	Posted - 2013.12.11 10:23:00 - [7] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Dextrome Thorphan wrote: Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive to even out its increased mass? I mean it's just very strange logic.... Ramona McCandless wrote: Ships may be weightless (or near to it) in space but they aren't mass-less Yeah clearly not at all related to your question or the pointlessness of this redundant repeat of a previous thread Not really, no... Dextrome Thorphan wrote: Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive to even out its increased mass? Ramona McCandless wrote: Ships may be weightless (or near to it) in space but they aren't mass-less I don't understand why you consider this to be a meaningful answer.... but whatever.
Ramona McCandless Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1369	Posted - 2013.12.11 10:24:00 - [8] - Quote Dextrome Thorphan wrote: Not really no. Yeah thats definately made you point clear and tidied that up High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild
Zol Interbottom Theft and Taxes 187	Posted - 2013.12.11 11:28:00 - [9] - Quote Small things gotta go fast, big things are slow and have tuba's following them as they move, haven't you ever watched a cartoon before? Stupid forum posts become my MS-Paint art, send me some stupid posts if you see them
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 6880	Posted - 2013.12.11 11:32:00 - [10] - Quote Story: Dev decided there was an imbalance. Dev changed things. Balance is different. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed
Grunanca Doughboys Shadow Cartel 102	Posted - 2013.12.11 11:44:00 - [11] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Warping is fiction to begin with, so the rules are strange no matter what CCP chooses. There is an explanation in one of the devblogs from memory. Actually it was announced a short time ago that NASA was starting a 100 year project to research a warpdrive. So far its theory, not fiction. It is possible, we just havent researched the technology yet. The initial design they are working on even looks like the sisters ships, except that the wings need to be oval to not require the mass of jupiter to move a small ship. Im at work and dont have time to find the article, which was in danish anyway... But i think the procject was called "the 100 year project" or something similar. So go look on the internet and you might find something. But point is: Warp drive is not fiction! It is way beyond what we can produce now, but not impossible in the laws of physics.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 6881	Posted - 2013.12.11 11:45:00 - [12] - Quote In other words warp drive is still fiction. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed
The Legendary Soldier Jovian Innovations 334	Posted - 2013.12.11 12:32:00 - [13] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: In other words warp drive is still fiction. There is a difference between "fiction", and "theoretically possible but we do not have the technology/power to achieve yet". Fairies, vampires, werewolves, pixies and deities are better examples of fiction... Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread
Ramona McCandless Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1371	Posted - 2013.12.11 12:35:00 - [14] - Quote The Legendary Soldier wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: In other words warp drive is still fiction. There is a difference between "fiction", and "theoretically possible but we do not have the technology/power to achieve yet". Fairies, vampires, werewolves, pixies and deities are better examples of fiction... My favourite sort of films are Science Theoretically-possible-but-we-do-not-have-the-technology/power-to-achieve-yet films High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild
Aurora Fatalis Blacklight Recon Mordus Angels 38	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:00:00 - [15] - Quote EVE's space is about as viscous as pudding. It's harder to push a spoon through pudding than a knife. Case closed.
Careby Careby Exploration 126	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:06:00 - [16] - Quote Aurora Fatalis wrote: EVE's space is about as viscous as pudding. It's harder to push a spoon through pudding than a knife. It has been my experience that, in general, people of higher mass go through pudding faster than people of lower mass. Sarcasm is OP
Ramona McCandless Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1371	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:33:00 - [17] - Quote Aurora Fatalis wrote: EVE's space is about as viscous as pudding. It's harder to push a spoon through pudding than a knife. . Puddings are a liquids, knives are solid, so unless the spoon is travelling extremely fast, it will have no effect on a knife High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild
Dont UseYourAlt OnTheForums Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:10:00 - [18] - Quote Maybe if you were sort of physics expert and/or knew anything about warp speed you could understand your non sensical thinking better to a point where your thoughts would become a lot less cloudy. Warp speed could simply be achieved by and denominated as, a thing. - There would be no way to accelarate your speed once in warp. - There would be no way to make your warp speed be faster than the "warp speed" of the body that is moving. - Mass could be directly within the warp speed equation Hence more mass, less speed at warp speed. Physics.. not your regular online, tic tac toe championships. It could be where warp speed directly depends on MASS and only MASS, having a bigger (engine) or more powerful whateverprocessorcorerocketsciencepurpolsionmodule could mean jackshit. 1st - You dont know how warp speed is achieved. 2nd - You dont know if its a speed whereas acceleration plays a role or not. 3rd- It could be just a speed that is directly related to your mass, and not your horsepower. Physics, .. clearly you are a fully incompetent at it. My opinion on warp speed? I think warp speed is achieved instantaneously, just like in EVE.. after a certain acceleration, your ship would be brought up to warp speed. Not an acceleration process from 0 to max warp speed. But an acceleration to a certain speed, then WARP SPEED.. Max warp speed depending on your mass and NOT on your engline horse power. Ever watched back to the future?.. that is a good example.
Abisha Baboli 6	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:48:00 - [19] - Quote first of all nothing go's faster then speed of light, at least not in this physical reality we life in. only posability way to bypass distance is by artificial wormholes, but those are never proven to exist, even if they have a endpoint in space. so this bubble theory of CCP is kind of nuffy, still Mass really do not matters then. but for gameplay sake, Mass Matters.
Tul Breetai Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud. 440	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:52:00 - [20] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Seriously Another thread C'mon man. This question is answered a million times anyway, in hundreds of other places. Ships may be weightless (or near to it) in space but they aren't mass-less No matter what made-upium reasoning allows FTL travel in EvE, it still has to take account that all ships are very dense, very mass-intensive objects. Unless you use some kind of non-euclidian physics, this attribute of the vessel must be taken into account in any power-to-mass calculation. There, fluff over Lmao, I've begun to read GD just for your responses... There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 764	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:56:00 - [21] - Quote Abisha Baboli wrote: first of all nothing go's faster then speed of light, at least not in this physical reality we life in. only posability way to bypass distance is by artificial wormholes, but those are never proven to exist, even if they have a endpoint in space. so this bubble theory of CCP is kind of nuffy, still Mass really do not matters then. but for gameplay sake, Mass Matters. Is not a CCP theory, is a classic theme from many sci-fi work. I think the first one was Star Trek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Star_Trek_Warp_Field.png
Milan Nantucket New Eden Misfits 93	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:58:00 - [22] - Quote Yall have it wrong... apparently paying attention isn't taught in school anymore... Eve Physics.... ship never moves when in warp... space does. The bigger the mass the bigger the oomph.... more oomph equals slower stuff.
Ramona McCandless Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1376	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:02:00 - [23] - Quote Tul Breetai wrote: Lmao, I've begun to read GD just for your responses... Ill be releasing a book of selected threads and responses in the new year It will be entitled WTF MAN, YOU MUST BE ON CRACK High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 3621	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:06:00 - [24] - Quote I hate it when people derail a good Pudding thread with talk of physics. What were we talking about again, I'm distracted from eating all this pudding.
stoicfaux 3430	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:06:00 - [25] - Quote The Legendary Soldier wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: In other words warp drive is still fiction. There is a difference between "fiction", and "theoretically possible but we do not have the technology/power to achieve yet". Fairies, vampires, werewolves, pixies and deities are better examples of fiction... We already have werewolves. Fairies and pixies can be achieved with heavy genetic and bio engineering. Vampires are problematic due to the undeath part, but you can create a reasonable facsimile by crossing the DNA of a mosquito, vampire bat, etc., with a powered exoskeleton with a dictamnus albus (which spontaneously combusts to reproduce, i.e. it explodes in daylight.) Deities are so easy to create that it's been overdone as a meme if you ask me.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 908	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:07:00 - [26] - Quote Dextrome Thorphan wrote: What exactly is the reasoning of making bigger SPACEships warp slower than smaller ships? I mean, those warp speed changes never made any sense to me. The acceleration changes, sure, those make perfect sense. But the warp changes... why would a little ship warp faster than a big ship? Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive to even out its increased mass? I mean it's just very strange logic... Or maybe I'm just missing something... feel free to enlighten me. To make the game more instersting!!! To make smaller ships the fast response ones! To make the game more fun and relevant on the deployment of your forces. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Mr Pragmatic 788	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:33:00 - [27] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Dextrome Thorphan wrote: Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive to even out its increased mass? I mean it's just very strange logic.... Ramona McCandless wrote: Ships may be weightless (or near to it) in space but they aren't mass-less Yeah clearly not at all related to your question or the pointlessness of this redundant repeat of a previous thread Oh the irony. Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
Pakhwal Agnon Small Nondescript Bookstore 18	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:35:00 - [28] - Quote @Abisha Baboli Please don't take this as anything other than good natured enlightenment : http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/22/us-science-light-idUSTRE78L4FH20110922
Ramona McCandless Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1377	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:39:00 - [29] - Quote Mr Pragmatic wrote: Oh the irony. Iron does have a lot of mass and is very dense. But I feel you are misuing the term. I think you meant to type; "Appropriate that you are using what he said in his own post to explain my answer to his question, thats already answered else where. Goodness, Ramona, how do you do it? You're just wasted here." and Id be like "Och shucks hunny I just go what I was materialised here to do, spread good vibes to all the Johnny Bad-touches here and make their lives a little sweeter" "The noblest spirit embiggens the smallest man. Now, just pop your clothes on the chair and Ill be right with you" - Omir Sarikusa High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild
Chandaris Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 494	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:52:00 - [30] - Quote What is faster, and accelerates/decelerates quicker 1. Ferrari 2. 18-wheeler 1. speedboat 2. oil tanker 1. f-16 2. boeing 747 1. x-wing 2. star destroyer

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