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Dirk Massive
D.O.O.M.
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Posted - 2013.12.18 05:08:00 -
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Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Dirk Massive wrote: I've been there myself sometimes. And will watch a sports game, or a movie or something while mining. Being semi AFK, but needing to put some time in to make ISK.
Just sayin' And that's how we get nice gank targets  Just saying  Maybe for some, but I'm NEVER thaaaat semi AFK lol |

Grim Hood
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
5
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Posted - 2013.12.18 15:33:00 -
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I run missions with an alt and use the salvage to build rigs, which I then sell for a nice profit(compared to just selling the salvage). That requires quite a few additional skills unrelated to combat though. A Good Death Is It's Own Reward |

Dirk Massive
D.O.O.M.
15
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Posted - 2013.12.20 04:52:00 -
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There is no right way or wrong way when it comes to making ISK while playing Eve. It's the biggest sandbox game ever. As long as you're enjoying yourself in what you're doing. That's all that matters. |

Boomhaur
162
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Posted - 2013.12.20 09:59:00 -
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Missions will net you the income to live off of once your skills both as a player and your toon are up. Though this usually happens around lv4 missions.
Since we now have salvage drones and MTU's use them. If you really wanted to you can forgo the Noctis if you really wanted to, just be sure to drop an MTU in every room you plan to loot/salvage when you warp in. And when your done come back with your salvage ship with salvagers + rigs and salvage drones you make quick work of whats there. If it's not done tractoring in wrecks move onto your next mission. (be sure to bookmark your MTU so you can complete your mission and warp directly to it)
A destroyer will work well in the role of a salvage ship, highs full of salvagers, lows cargo expanders, mids tank. Won't be as effective as a Noctis but your not missing much if your not using the tractors and relying on the MTU. What you will be missing is more locks, tank, cargohold. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
947
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Posted - 2013.12.20 10:01:00 -
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Roime wrote:Mining is actually more fun and less repetitive than missions
That is why When i run a mission I do it without Any tank with my cargo hodl full of plexes. Makes it MUCH more exiting! "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
46
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Posted - 2013.12.20 13:15:00 -
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mining < missions < null-sec anomalys < PI < low clas wormhole anomalys <<<< hi class wormhole anomalys < manufacturing < trading That are imho reliable income source is in eve in this order. |

Katran Luftschreck
Stillwater Corporation
1694
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Posted - 2013.12.21 17:17:00 -
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I do missions and mining.
When I do a mission I salvage the crap out of everything. When I'm done I keep/sell the Meta4s and ammo, then reprocess the rest of the garbage into minerals. When I go to build something later I check the BPO and go out and mine the difference. Mining for profit is meh, but mining for production can make you very good money. So if you want to take mining I'd say use it as a launchpad to going into industry.
If you're doing missions you'll find that the loot is usually worth x2 to x5 what the mission itself pays out. If you're not looting/salvaging then you're throwing away at least half your profit right there. And once you're done salvaging grab some rig BPOs - they usually pay for themselves when you've sold one item, and since you're doing missions all those rig parts are effectively free.
Pure profit. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |

Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
225
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Posted - 2013.12.21 18:37:00 -
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Drake -> Gila -> Rattlesnake.
Mission heaven. |

Silivar Karkun
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2013.12.21 19:42:00 -
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as a semiprofessional miner i can asure you that doing security missions has a better payment than mining....i would be doing L4s if it wasnt because i have to lvl my combat skills before doing it efectively, i suplement this blitzing lvl 3s and doing minin+PI.
but the money is in L4s..... |

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
296
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Posted - 2013.12.21 19:49:00 -
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I've made more money doing missions than mining.
Also remember AFK play is against the EULA so if you're going to do it I wouldn't post it in the forms LOL. If I happen to be bored and warp to your belt while you're AFK it can get you suicide ganked too  |
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Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2013.12.22 02:58:00 -
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Running level 4s will earn you a huge amount of ISK, however it can become quite tedious. Although there is a certain satisfaction in raising your DPS, defenses, and other combat-related skills, and seeing the missions get easier and easier over time.
If you're looking for a profitable break from mining, then mission running is a good choice. |

SibSpi
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
8
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Posted - 2013.12.24 07:18:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Mining is in fact one of the worst sources of ISK for your time in all of EVE. I don't know who told you it was necessary or even a good way to make a living, but they deserve to be shot. If the ISK you make mining is enough to sustain you, virtually any other ISK-positive activity will give you more ISK than you need.
If you work from home and would like to be making isk while you're doing something that isn't babysitting your client(s) at all times, mining is actually a great way to semi-passively make isk. As an example for the point, I have to process photos and gather info for the content of said photos, both of which I do at my computer and which can take a lot of time. So, while doing this I'm able to see my client(s) on another screen and hear things like "the asteroid is depleted".
At around 1,000m3 a minute and 0.1m3 per unit of veldspar, which currently goes for around 13.40 a unit, you're looking at roughly 6.7mil minimum if you manage an average of 50min out of an hour mining. Multiply that by a minimum of an 8 hour work day and you're already sitting at 53.6mil, which is far better than nothing while you were otherwise unable to play. Do that for twelve days of a month, or 12/20 working weekdays and your account is paid for. Another 8 days' worth and you've a minimum of another 429mil extra. That may be just a few hours of really efficient lvl4 missions, but it's a few hours of 'active' playtime that have been freed up to do other things, or a large chunk of next month's plex costs already ground out.
Mining+industry+science+trade running passively in the background are all great ways to coin it, and 3/4 of those activities don't need you to be around at all to make you some isk. |

SibSpi
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
8
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Posted - 2013.12.24 07:32:00 -
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IIshira wrote:I've made more money doing missions than mining. Also remember AFK play is against the EULA so if you're going to do it I wouldn't post it in the forms LOL. If I happen to be bored and warp to your belt while you're AFK it can get you suicide ganked too 
How is being afk while your ship fills its ore hold or your drones finish killing al the npcs left in a pocket against the eula if both scenarios place you at risk of being suicide ganked, bumped away from your objective(s), having mission objective(s) stolen, your profit marings in loot/salvage undermined or the rock(s) you were on being mined out by someone else?
If you play 'afk' you place yourself at immense risk and are likely to end up making little to nothing compared to being attentive of your client(s).
Please point out where in the EULA it's said that 'afk play' is disallowed. |

Roel Yento
Bolverki
31
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Posted - 2013.12.25 15:31:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:I do missions and mining.
When I do a mission I salvage the crap out of everything. When I'm done I keep/sell the Meta4s and ammo, then reprocess the rest of the garbage into minerals. When I go to build something later I check the BPO and go out and mine the difference. Mining for profit is meh, but mining for production can make you very good money. So if you want to take mining I'd say use it as a launchpad to going into industry.
If you're doing missions you'll find that the loot is usually worth x2 to x5 what the mission itself pays out. If you're not looting/salvaging then you're throwing away at least half your profit right there. And once you're done salvaging grab some rig BPOs - they usually pay for themselves when you've sold one item, and since you're doing missions all those rig parts are effectively free.
Pure profit. If you are producing, you should be buying the resources to build at buy order prices and only for items that make you money. You would make more selling your loot at sell order price and buying the same items needed at buy order price then you are free to make whatever you want. This goes for mning too. If you spend all day mining to make something, your isk per hour is only equal to buy order price of minerals not sell order price of minerals. Since this is the case, you might as well sell your minerals at sell order price and buy all needed mins at buy order price.
Even better though is to do anything else besides mining for isk and manage buy orders on production needs. The more patient you are too and larger capital you have to start with makes it easier to set a price and wait for orders to be filled. |

Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
501
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Posted - 2013.12.25 21:17:00 -
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To be fair, in early character days, mining DOES pay more than low level missions - especially if you're not an old hand.
Not later, but it's easy to see where the misconception comes from. |

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
564
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Posted - 2013.12.26 00:18:00 -
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SibSpi wrote:IIshira wrote:I've made more money doing missions than mining. Also remember AFK play is against the EULA so if you're going to do it I wouldn't post it in the forms LOL. If I happen to be bored and warp to your belt while you're AFK it can get you suicide ganked too  How is being afk while your ship fills its ore hold or your drones finish killing al the npcs left in a pocket against the eula if both scenarios place you at risk of being suicide ganked, bumped away from your objective(s), having mission objective(s) stolen, your profit marings in loot/salvage undermined or the rock(s) you were on being mined out by someone else? If you play 'afk' you place yourself at immense risk and are likely to end up making little to nothing compared to being attentive of your client(s). Please point out where in the EULA it's said that 'afk play' is disallowed.
In the EULA it states, "You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.
Now you can interpret this different ways and we can argue back and forth who's interpretation is correct. Both of our interpretations are meaningless since it's CCP that will determine if what someone does violates the EULA. I don't think CCP has made a public comment as to this.
In reality will CCP hunt you down in game if you're AFK mining?... Probably not. My reference is just to people saying they AFK mine in the forms that CCP occasionally reads. It's like the police aren't going to break down your door for a minor law infraction but if you openly post about it they just might.
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
201
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Posted - 2013.12.26 16:23:00 -
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IIshira wrote:SibSpi wrote:IIshira wrote:I've made more money doing missions than mining. Also remember AFK play is against the EULA so if you're going to do it I wouldn't post it in the forms LOL. If I happen to be bored and warp to your belt while you're AFK it can get you suicide ganked too  How is being afk while your ship fills its ore hold or your drones finish killing al the npcs left in a pocket against the eula if both scenarios place you at risk of being suicide ganked, bumped away from your objective(s), having mission objective(s) stolen, your profit marings in loot/salvage undermined or the rock(s) you were on being mined out by someone else? If you play 'afk' you place yourself at immense risk and are likely to end up making little to nothing compared to being attentive of your client(s). Please point out where in the EULA it's said that 'afk play' is disallowed. In the EULA it states, "You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. Now you can interpret this different ways and we can argue back and forth who's interpretation is correct. Both of our interpretations are meaningless since it's CCP that will determine if what someone does violates the EULA. I don't think CCP has made a public comment as to this. In reality will CCP hunt you down in game if you're AFK mining?... Probably not. My reference is just to people saying they AFK mine in the forms that CCP occasionally reads. It's like the police aren't going to break down your door for a minor law infraction but if you openly post about it they just might.
How cute. You bolded the parts to make your interpretation correct. Read the full rule in it's entiretiy. That rule is specifically against botting, and botting is basically playing AFK using a script, macro, or 3rd party program. That specific type of AFK play is bannable, but mining AFK without using those is not.
However, it isn't really smart to mine that way as people may come along and gank you. |

CMD Ishikawa
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2013.12.27 06:38:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Drake -> Gila -> Rattlesnake.
Mission heaven.
And once you can afford it --> Golem |

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
564
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Posted - 2013.12.27 06:49:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:IIshira wrote:SibSpi wrote:IIshira wrote:I've made more money doing missions than mining. Also remember AFK play is against the EULA so if you're going to do it I wouldn't post it in the forms LOL. If I happen to be bored and warp to your belt while you're AFK it can get you suicide ganked too  How is being afk while your ship fills its ore hold or your drones finish killing al the npcs left in a pocket against the eula if both scenarios place you at risk of being suicide ganked, bumped away from your objective(s), having mission objective(s) stolen, your profit marings in loot/salvage undermined or the rock(s) you were on being mined out by someone else? If you play 'afk' you place yourself at immense risk and are likely to end up making little to nothing compared to being attentive of your client(s). Please point out where in the EULA it's said that 'afk play' is disallowed. In the EULA it states, "You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. Now you can interpret this different ways and we can argue back and forth who's interpretation is correct. Both of our interpretations are meaningless since it's CCP that will determine if what someone does violates the EULA. I don't think CCP has made a public comment as to this. In reality will CCP hunt you down in game if you're AFK mining?... Probably not. My reference is just to people saying they AFK mine in the forms that CCP occasionally reads. It's like the police aren't going to break down your door for a minor law infraction but if you openly post about it they just might. How cute. You bolded the parts to make your interpretation correct. Read the full rule in it's entiretiy. That rule is specifically against botting, and botting is basically playing AFK using a script, macro, or 3rd party program. That specific type of AFK play is bannable, but mining AFK without using those is not. However, it isn't really smart to mine that way as people may come along and gank you.
It's not just referring to using a bot program. That's what the "your own or any third-party software" was referring to. I bolded it so people could see the specific part I was referring to but I guess you didn't get that. Nice troll attempt though.  |

Alice Ituin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2013.12.27 13:59:00 -
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CMD Ishikawa wrote:
And once you can afford it --> Golem
More like "when you have the skills to fly it". If you don't have the ISK by the time you can fly one you did something seriously wrong. |
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