Mining is actually more fun and less repetitive than missions

Mining is in fact one of the worst sources of ISK for your time in all of EVE. I don't know who told you it was necessary or even a good way to make a living, but they deserve to be shot. If the ISK you make mining is enough to sustain you, virtually any other ISK-positive activity will give you more ISK than you need.

WRONG.

In terms of isk / effort, mining is one of the top activities. Fly a Mack, warp to some high-volume plag asteroids, activate lasers, and go afk for 15-20 mins. For a few seconds of clicking, I think you make 4-6m isk (depending on your skills and fitting).

OP; Yes, there is plenty of money in L4's given you can run them efficiently and loot and salvage them as this tends to be where a big chunk of the money is. Throw in some LP and you make a decent profit. What Anize said is invaluable advice, work your way up and be sure you are ready for L4's or you will lose ships faster than you can replace them.

I use a NayPoc to solo most L4 missions, I don't have great skills but by taking it carefully, reading up on evesurvival and fitting appropriately on a good day I can make anywhere between 40-60mil an hour, which isn't to be sniffed at. Granted a lot more can be made, but as a rough guide :)

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Most experienced lvl4 mission runners would barely undock for 4-6m ISK. Clearing The Blockade alone brings 20m in bounties, 20m in loot and salvage plus the mission reward plus the LP.

In terms of isk / effort, mining is one of the top activities. Fly a Mack, warp to some high-volume plag asteroids, activate lasers, and go afk for 15-20 mins. For a few seconds of clicking, I think you make 4-6m isk (depending on your skills and fitting).

WRONG.

In terms of isk / effort, mining is one of the top activities. Fly a Mack, warp to some high-volume plag asteroids, activate lasers, and go afk for 15-20 mins. For a few seconds of clicking, I think you make 4-6m isk (depending on your skills and fitting).

Now my question is, is it at all possible to make a decent living in eve without the need of mining, i understand how beneficial mining is, and i understand the amount you can make from it is living the high life almost

If you choose the right NPC corp to fly missions for you will end up over 100m ISK/h. Calculated with 1LP = 2000 ISK.

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I earn this with easy since MTUs were released. Warp in pocket drop MTU start shooting the red crosses. After you have finished 3-4 Missions start collecting loot with a Noctis.

If done right you need 2mins (warps not included) of work to salvage e.g. a Blockade.

Blockade e.g is about 22m bounty and reward, ~20m loot and 8k LP = min 16m ISK round about 58m ISK. It can be done with perfect skill and ships fitting in about 22-25mins warp times included if its in the same system as your agent.


But beware i am speaking here of nearly perfect skills for mission running. The only skills missing are Marauder 5 and large weapon spec 5.
And i have an ALT so its possible to me to do a little cheery picking on the missions my agent offers to me and my alt.

Tried to mine in high sec afk with my alt with nearly perfect mining skills but without boost. Sold Mackinaw again income was horrible.

If you choose the right NPC corp to fly missions for you will end up over 100m ISK/h. Calculated with 1LP = 2000 ISK.

LPStore

I earn this with easy since MTUs were released. Warp in pocket drop MTU start shooting the red crosses. After you have finished 3-4 Missions start collecting loot with a Noctis.

If done right you need 2mins (warps not included) of work to salvage e.g. a Blockade.

Blockade e.g is about 22m bounty and reward, ~20m loot and 8k LP = min 16m ISK round about 58m ISK. It can be done with perfect skill and ships fitting in about 22-25mins warp times included if its in the same system as your agent.


But beware i am speaking here of nearly perfect skills for mission running. The only skills missing are Marauder 5 and large weapon spec 5.
And i have an ALT so its possible to me to do a little cheery picking on the missions my agent offers to me and my alt.

Tried to mine in high sec afk with my alt with nearly perfect mining skills but without boost. Sold Mackinaw again income was horrible.

Now my question is, is it at all possible to make a decent living in eve without the need of mining, i understand how beneficial mining is, and i understand the amount you can make from it is living the high life almost

thanks for all the advice, its really appreciated, i just have 3 questions left if someone could be kind enough to answer


1. Im heading towards a battlecruiser, than one day higher, but right now im setting my goals to be simple. But im struggling between the Naga or the Drake

The Naga i know can dish out ALOT of dps, and is a great and beautiful ship, but its a blaster/laser platform, im not a fan of blasters/sniping, i much prefer torpedos

( i know i know, DPS comes before pretty explosions, but i love the explosions of torpedos!!! )

So any advice on that situation would be appreciated. i just love launching things that go boom with pretty effects


2. At the moment, my isis is telling me that currently are most suited towards a general cruiser like the caracel, but yet im in a destroyer, i even have 2 bars towards the drake. and i know i had one and a caracel before i left

( its been 2 years. ive forgot ALOT )

I cant remember for the life of me why i got rid of my drake/caracel and went back to a destroyer, what i was missing or doing

3. once i get back into a caracel, then a drake, is there a guide telling me were to find the best L3/L4 missions that ill be capable of doing

I've been there myself sometimes. And will watch a sports game, or a movie or something while mining. Being semi AFK, but needing to put some time in to make ISK.

Just sayin'

And that's how we get nice gank targets

Just saying

Mining is actually more fun and less repetitive than missions

Mining is in fact one of the worst sources of ISK for your time in all of EVE. I don't know who told you it was necessary or even a good way to make a living, but they deserve to be shot. If the ISK you make mining is enough to sustain you, virtually any other ISK-positive activity will give you more ISK than you need.

I've made more money doing missions than mining.

Also remember AFK play is against the EULA so if you're going to do it I wouldn't post it in the forms LOL. If I happen to be bored and warp to your belt while you're AFK it can get you suicide ganked too

I do missions and mining.

When I do a mission I salvage the crap out of everything. When I'm done I keep/sell the Meta4s and ammo, then reprocess the rest of the garbage into minerals. When I go to build something later I check the BPO and go out and mine the difference. Mining for profit is meh, but mining for production can make you very good money. So if you want to take mining I'd say use it as a launchpad to going into industry.

If you're doing missions you'll find that the loot is usually worth x2 to x5 what the mission itself pays out. If you're not looting/salvaging then you're throwing away at least half your profit right there. And once you're done salvaging grab some rig BPOs - they usually pay for themselves when you've sold one item, and since you're doing missions all those rig parts are effectively free.

Pure profit.

How is being afk while your ship fills its ore hold or your drones finish killing al the npcs left in a pocket against the eula if both scenarios place you at risk of being suicide ganked, bumped away from your objective(s), having mission objective(s) stolen, your profit marings in loot/salvage undermined or the rock(s) you were on being mined out by someone else?

If you play 'afk' you place yourself at immense risk and are likely to end up making little to nothing compared to being attentive of your client(s).

Please point out where in the EULA it's said that 'afk play' is disallowed.

In the EULA it states,
"You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.

Now you can interpret this different ways and we can argue back and forth who's interpretation is correct. Both of our interpretations are meaningless since it's CCP that will determine if what someone does violates the EULA. I don't think CCP has made a public comment as to this.

In reality will CCP hunt you down in game if you're AFK mining?... Probably not. My reference is just to people saying they AFK mine in the forms that CCP occasionally reads. It's like the police aren't going to break down your door for a minor law infraction but if you openly post about it they just might.

Drake -> Gila -> Rattlesnake.

Mission heaven.

How cute. You bolded the parts to make your interpretation correct. Read the full rule in it's entiretiy. That rule is specifically against botting, and botting is basically playing AFK using a script, macro, or 3rd party program. That specific type of AFK play is bannable, but mining AFK without using those is not.

However, it isn't really smart to mine that way as people may come along and gank you.

And once you can afford it --> Golem