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Groon Sheysen
Blue Sun Industry ArK Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:34:00 -
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I'm a returning player. I took a a year off. Now that I'm back I'm finding it nearly impossible to get any research done with que that are over a month long. This has me thinking of setting up a high sec POS. Is it worth it? |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
767
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:35:00 -
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no |
Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:38:00 -
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It's correct unfortunately. I have tin foil hat trained to 5. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
767
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:40:00 -
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Galadriel Vasquez wrote:It's correct unfortunately.
I meant yes. |
Cyber SGB
Bionetic Creations
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:41:00 -
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I've been considering it myself. However, I did find an area with wait times of only 2 to 5 days or so. I wasn't in a hurry all that much. So, I got in line.
The worth of a High Sec POS is in the eye of the beholder. If you have the isk flow to pay for it, then go for it, I say. It sure would defeat the hassle of waiting for research slots. I write Kindle books. Visit my author page. http://amazon.com/author/sgbynum |
Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
177
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:43:00 -
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Well if you mean Yes - you are wrong.
If the OP has access to null the sov benefit of fuel costs is exponentially better. If he does not want to go Null and put up a stick in hi sec - meh. I have tin foil hat trained to 5. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
788
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:45:00 -
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It used to be years ago, had one then. Dunno about now though. Fuel is different, lots of ganking and so on. I suppose if you're doing a lot of research, then probably be worth it. I'd stick to manufacturing from NPC stations though. There are manufacturinslots out there, just have to be willing to travel to them. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
371
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Posted - 2013.12.12 22:00:00 -
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Yes.
No.
Maybe.
It depends.
It's also pretty easy to figure out the answer for yourself. |
Sebastor Cane
The Outlet
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Posted - 2013.12.12 22:06:00 -
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If you do then the game stops being casual |
Cyber SGB
Bionetic Creations
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Posted - 2013.12.12 22:40:00 -
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Galadriel Vasquez wrote:Well if you mean Yes - you are wrong.
If the OP has access to null the sov benefit of fuel costs is exponentially better. If he does not want to go Null and put up a stick in hi sec - meh.
The OP asked about highsec, not nullsec. So - meh.
I write Kindle books. Visit my author page. http://amazon.com/author/sgbynum |
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Ronny Hugo
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
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Posted - 2013.12.12 22:49:00 -
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I have pondered the question myself, what stuff in addition to tower would be required? how much could be manufactured and researched in a POS? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17709
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Posted - 2013.12.12 22:55:00 -
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Research? Yes. Manufacturing? No. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Starfellow Hawke
Distant Light Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.12.23 01:52:00 -
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Can reactions be done in High Sec POS's? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.12.23 02:37:00 -
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Starfellow Hawke wrote:Can reactions be done in High Sec POS's? No. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Ambassador Crane
Hellhound Productions
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Posted - 2013.12.23 03:27:00 -
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It's fairly easy to find open slots for manufacturing.
For researching, I say yes. Better to have a POS.
HOWEVER, in high sec? no. Don't want to join a null bloc? No problem. Do as I did. Set up a POS in a class 1 wormhole with a high sec static. Most are unwilling to put in the effort it takes to kill a POS in a class 1 so it's relatively safe. Perhaps safer than in high sec. As long as you're manufacturing goods that can be transported in an industrial, you can add your manufacturing capabilities too (but I just use mine for researching.)
For me, I find it to be cheaper than a high sec POS and safer than a low sec POS. Only downside is your exits constantly changing. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
589
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Posted - 2013.12.23 04:28:00 -
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Train a covops and research in a quiet lowsec station. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2013.12.23 04:34:00 -
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Ambassador Crane wrote:It's fairly easy to find open slots for manufacturing.
For researching, I say yes. Better to have a POS.
HOWEVER, in high sec? no. Don't want to join a null bloc? No problem. Do as I did. Set up a POS in a class 1 wormhole with a high sec static. Most are unwilling to put in the effort it takes to kill a POS in a class 1 so it's relatively safe. Perhaps safer than in high sec. As long as you're manufacturing goods that can be transported in an industrial, you can add your manufacturing capabilities too (but I just use mine for researching.)
For me, I find it to be cheaper than a high sec POS and safer than a low sec POS. Only downside is your exits constantly changing.
if you have research labs on such a pos, its actually fairly tempting, because the bpos can drop.
For highsec, all you need do is keep the research jobs short enough that in the event of a dec you can unanchor the labs and dickstar the tower without it feeling too much pain over the lost jobs.
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Tiberius StarGazer
Trifectas Executor Trifectas Syndicate
375
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Posted - 2013.12.23 07:22:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Train a covops and research in a quiet lowsec station.
This, lots of deep lowsec stations with hardly anyone using them.
You can use one for reaserch, but your burning ISK all the time. T2 production maybe, but again the increased costs in fuel in charters mean your margins are gonna be squeezed. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1667
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Posted - 2013.12.23 14:42:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Ambassador Crane wrote:It's fairly easy to find open slots for manufacturing.
For researching, I say yes. Better to have a POS.
HOWEVER, in high sec? no. Don't want to join a null bloc? No problem. Do as I did. Set up a POS in a class 1 wormhole with a high sec static. Most are unwilling to put in the effort it takes to kill a POS in a class 1 so it's relatively safe. Perhaps safer than in high sec. As long as you're manufacturing goods that can be transported in an industrial, you can add your manufacturing capabilities too (but I just use mine for researching.)
For me, I find it to be cheaper than a high sec POS and safer than a low sec POS. Only downside is your exits constantly changing. if you have research labs on such a pos, its actually fairly tempting, because the bpos can drop. For highsec, all you need do is keep the research jobs short enough that in the event of a dec you can unanchor the labs and dickstar the tower without it feeling too much pain over the lost jobs.
If your gonna dickstar it then why unanchor the labs?Dickstars really rarely get attacked in high-sec and if you just put the labs offline you can go further with the research right where you 'paused' it by offlining the labs.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
511
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Posted - 2013.12.23 15:18:00 -
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It's worth whatever it's worth to you. Just remember to stront your tower and if you get war decced, dismantle it and go do something else for a while.
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Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.23 15:37:00 -
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Why would you pay the wardec fee so you can have some targets in hisec?
Put up a hisec pos instead. Your targets will now pay for the right to be killed by you.
It is good bait, but has no other value. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2992
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Posted - 2013.12.23 20:30:00 -
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Moving this from General Discussion to Science & Industry. EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
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lonic CheshamahMashtori
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Posted - 2013.12.28 21:16:00 -
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For invention and/or BP copy its a must. For ME research it is "better" to use existing research services that other players offer. For all other its better and cheaper to use stations. |
Shiv Lazair
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.12.29 11:15:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Train a covops and research in a quiet lowsec station.
Interceptor... |
Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.30 07:59:00 -
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Setting up pos for research is worth it if you need to do either of two things or both: ME-research or serious scale copy/invention work.
Also dont keep bpo-¦s in pos, keep then in corp office in same systems as pos -> remote reseach. This way bpo-¦s dont drop if someone shoots down your pos.
Personally i have alt corp that has standings to anchor highsec pos when i need it. Handy thing when i have few new bpo-¦s to research. Setup small caldari tower, slab 3 labs on it, fuel for month, strontium and you can run it about 100 mil/month fuel costs. We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do... |
Marcus Iunius Brutus
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.30 09:26:00 -
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lonic CheshamahMashtori wrote:For ME research it is "better" to use existing research services that other players offer. For all other its better and cheaper to use stations.
How do you use "existing research services that other players offer"?
Based on my rough calculations, decreased manufacturing time in POS can pay for monthly fuel costs of a small POS. Am I missing something? I assumed T1 production and running slots 23/7.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2518
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Posted - 2013.12.30 10:20:00 -
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Marcus Iunius Brutus wrote:lonic CheshamahMashtori wrote:For ME research it is "better" to use existing research services that other players offer. For all other its better and cheaper to use stations. How do you use "existing research services that other players offer"? Based on my rough calculations, decreased manufacturing time in POS can pay for monthly fuel costs of a small POS. Am I missing something? I assumed T1 production and running slots 23/7.
If you're making 300 million a month profit manufacturing, then running a small pos should pay for itself. Assuming the market can absorb your increased production.
That 0.75 time modifier equates to a 33% increase in materials produced.
If you're making more, then it's all gravy. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Sneakthief Backstabber
Area Fifty One
1
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Posted - 2013.12.31 10:55:00 -
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It can be but it turns out not worth it. Our corp ran one for ages, created our own starbase fuel through PI mined our ice tried too be self sufficient. So they screwed up ice (completely removed it from the system we set up in and bots rule ice now), let mega corps tax our PI (screw them) and made it impossible too compete in any way with them, and basically profits fell and effort increased, dropped much of research, powered down one station, found ourselves working hard to power a non profitable larger station and battling for ice with tards with 20 boting accounts. Screw it, we quit. They need to just get rid of Hi-Sec all together because the nerfs are killing it anyway. And totally f*** mega corps being able too tax me for factories we set up years ago, the rich get richer...... |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1818
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Posted - 2013.12.31 20:21:00 -
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Groon Sheysen wrote:I'm a returning player. I took a a year off. Now that I'm back I'm finding it nearly impossible to get any research done with que that are over a month long. This has me thinking of setting up a high sec POS. Is it worth it?
If you have a plan worked out for what you want to accomplish, sure, it's worth it. But don't barrel in just because it sounds cool, or you'll lose a lot of isk needlessly. Make sure you know your market, know your neighborhood, and have the correct skills trained up to absolutely MINIMIZE your waste. Anything else is just a waste of time. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1818
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Posted - 2013.12.31 20:23:00 -
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lonic CheshamahMashtori wrote:For invention and/or BP copy its a must. For ME research it is "better" to use existing research services that other players offer. For all other its better and cheaper to use stations.
If all one is doing is PE/ME research, the best option is to join a research alliance like the now defunct NER (New Eden Research). I was with them for nearly a year before being in a position to throw up my first tower, and haven't looked back since. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
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