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Colt Blackhawk
The Amarrian Expendables 24eme Legion Etrangere
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Posted - 2013.12.13 10:20:00 -
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Okay I have really seen it all now. OGB is really the most gamebreaking sh.. we have in game. Hidden superpowers^^ I really have seen it all now.
Just brawled with a stabber in scramwebrange at 2000m with 180mm autocannons and 2 rapid light missile launchers (!!!!) vs a condor that was boosted to hell. Guess what? That condor tanked around 350dps cap stable while scrammed and webbed and chewed a stabber down. Yeah grab prolly loki and legion links and you can tank 350dps at worst case range in a tech1 frig^^
Really CCP that is the biggest gamebreaking sh... ever and kills solo completely.
So when we will see a fix to that nonsense???? |
Seranova Farreach
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Posted - 2013.12.13 10:29:00 -
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just wait for the tears till CCP nerfs Off grid boost and makes it On grid only or something :P _______________________ http://i.imgur.com/d9Ee2ik.jpg
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15833
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Posted - 2013.12.13 10:33:00 -
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Seranova Farreach wrote:just wait for the tears till CCP nerfs Off grid boost and makes it On grid only or something :P TBH even when this happens, people will still whine and moan about them. While I see solo play has it's place in Eve, people need to understand that this doesn't mean you won't get your ass handed to you in what is an MMO.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Colt Blackhawk
The Amarrian Expendables 24eme Legion Etrangere
191
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Posted - 2013.12.13 10:42:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Seranova Farreach wrote:just wait for the tears till CCP nerfs Off grid boost and makes it On grid only or something :P TBH even when this happens, people will still whine and moan about them. While I see solo play has it's place in Eve, people need to understand that this doesn't mean you won't get your ass handed to you in what is an MMO.
Solo is completely dead. Completely. As long as you can get surprised by "oh I have superpowers" it is completely dead. It cannot be that silly not armor bonused tech1 frigs with enough links can tank better than a vagabond^^ |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
353
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Posted - 2013.12.13 11:12:00 -
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I'm guessing you didn't hit the frigate due to tracking issues.
Bring neuts next time?
Maybe?
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
460
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Posted - 2013.12.13 11:15:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Okay I have really seen it all now. OGB is really the most gamebreaking sh.. we have in game. Hidden superpowers^^ I really have seen it all now.
Just brawled with a stabber in scramwebrange at 2000m with 180mm autocannons and 2 rapid light missile launchers (!!!!) vs a condor that was boosted to hell. Guess what? That condor tanked around 350dps cap stable while scrammed and webbed and chewed a stabber down. Yeah grab prolly loki and legion links and you can tank 350dps at worst case range in a tech1 frig^^
Really CCP that is the biggest gamebreaking sh... ever and kills solo completely.
So when we will see a fix to that nonsense???? U mad? Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3946
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Posted - 2013.12.13 11:27:00 -
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You actually only did about 140dps to a wbbed AB fit Condor at 2km
That Condor was killed today by a solo Comet, and the Condor pilot's super special secret is actually a 3bil HG Slave pod, but please go ahead and blame links when you can't even get solo kills in a frigate-killing cruiser. It's not your lack of skills or lack of grasp about basic game mechanics- it never is. ~Elite PVPer~ and Supreme Commander of the Gallente Militia |
Colt Blackhawk
The Amarrian Expendables 24eme Legion Etrangere
191
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Posted - 2013.12.13 11:42:00 -
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Roime wrote:You actually only did about 140dps to a wbbed AB fit Condor at 2km
That Condor was killed today by a solo Comet, and the Condor pilot's super special secret is actually a 3bil HG Slave pod, but please go ahead and blame links when you can't even get solo kills in a frigate-killing cruiser. It's not your lack of skills or lack of grasp about basic game mechanics- it never is.
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Colt Blackhawk
The Amarrian Expendables 24eme Legion Etrangere
191
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Posted - 2013.12.13 11:43:00 -
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Roime wrote:You actually only did about 140dps to a wbbed AB fit Condor at 2km
That Condor was killed today by a solo Comet, and the Condor pilot's super special secret is actually a 3bil HG Slave pod, but please go ahead and blame links when you can't even get solo kills in a frigate-killing cruiser. It's not your lack of skills or lack of grasp about basic game mechanics- it never is.
Ah okay it is completely usual and intended by CCP that linked condors tank 140dps^^. Turn brain on. Yesterday I saw a Mega Navy going over 3k m/s. Retributions going 4.6k m/s you see almost on daily basis. And slaves only won-¦t let this guy tank 140dps in a ****** condor btw. But let me guess: You are one of these link users that even doesn-¦t undock without 2 links? This game is already the most newbie unfriendly stuff you can imagine. And additionally everyone who doesn-¦t own 2 link alts can only do F1 warrioring. This game really even forces you to F1 warrioring because you never know if the target you try to solo is linked to hell or not.
And yes only 80dps done to it.... yeah congrats I am a pvp newbie^^ Wake up gents. |
Arch Stanton's Neighbour
Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc
75
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Posted - 2013.12.13 14:30:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Okay I have really seen it all now. OGB is really the most gamebreaking sh.. we have in game. Hidden superpowers^^ I really have seen it all now.
Just brawled with a stabber in scramwebrange at 2000m with 180mm autocannons and 2 rapid light missile launchers (!!!!) vs a condor that was boosted to hell. Guess what? That condor tanked around 350dps cap stable while scrammed and webbed and chewed a stabber down. Yeah grab prolly loki and legion links and you can tank 350dps at worst case range in a tech1 frig^^
Really CCP that is the biggest gamebreaking sh... ever and kills solo completely.
So when we will see a fix to that nonsense???? After analyzing your writing abilities and inferring your intelligence level from them I am able to make the following judgement:
Your opponent didn't need OGB to kill you. You're just awful at this game. You would have died to a well-piloted noobship. The condor didnt tank 350dps, he probably just tanked 35dps because from your paltry knowledge of game mechanics that's all you were able to apply to him.
Please refrain from posting in the features and ideas forum as if you had anything worthwhile to offer. |
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Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:16:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote: Ah okay it is completely usual and intended by CCP that linked condors tank 140dps^^. Turn brain on. Yesterday I saw a Mega Navy going over 3k m/s. Retributions going 4.6k m/s you see almost on daily basis. And slaves only won-¦t let this guy tank 140dps in a ****** condor btw. But let me guess: You are one of these link users that even doesn-¦t undock without 2 links? This game is already the most newbie unfriendly stuff you can imagine. And additionally everyone who doesn-¦t own 2 link alts can only do F1 warrioring. This game really even forces you to F1 warrioring because you never know if the target you try to solo is linked to hell or not.
And yes only 80dps done to it.... yeah congrats I am a pvp newbie^^ Wake up gents.
Btw. 180mms track webbed non linked frigs down like hell. I was already leeroying with 180mm ac fitted cruisers into 3 frigs at once and won. So it is not a tracking issue for sure.
I actually have one titan from every race with me providing boosts where ever I may roam
I would not have gotten the 5 solo kills of today without them, because everyone else has 4 OGBs with them. And a Falcon, and neutral logi.
~Elite PVPer~ and Supreme Commander of the Gallente Militia |
Colt Blackhawk
The Amarrian Expendables 24eme Legion Etrangere
191
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:25:00 -
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Arch Stanton's Neighbour wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote:Okay I have really seen it all now. OGB is really the most gamebreaking sh.. we have in game. Hidden superpowers^^ I really have seen it all now.
Just brawled with a stabber in scramwebrange at 2000m with 180mm autocannons and 2 rapid light missile launchers (!!!!) vs a condor that was boosted to hell. Guess what? That condor tanked around 350dps cap stable while scrammed and webbed and chewed a stabber down. Yeah grab prolly loki and legion links and you can tank 350dps at worst case range in a tech1 frig^^
Really CCP that is the biggest gamebreaking sh... ever and kills solo completely.
So when we will see a fix to that nonsense???? After analyzing your writing abilities and inferring your intelligence level from them I am able to make the following judgement: Your opponent didn't need OGB to kill you. You're just awful at this game. You would have died to a well-piloted noobship. The condor didnt tank 350dps, he probably just tanked 35dps because from your paltry knowledge of game mechanics that's all you were able to apply to him. Please refrain from posting in the features and ideas forum as if you had anything worthwhile to offer.
Today on Discovery Channel: The last living Australopithecus (Arch Stanton's Neighbour) was found in the www!!!
As already said/wrote: I know the damage I am applying. Already killed 3 frigs at once in 220mm fitted cruisers. Tracking under normal circumstances is not the issue. Issue is more the combination tank+less sig because of loki+more speed because of loki. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
230
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:46:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Really CCP that is the biggest gamebreaking sh... ever and kills solo completely.
This could just be me being crazy, but it seems as if you weren't actually fighting solo. Hear me out. I know it sounds strange, but what if you were in a 2 v 1 situation? Maybe there was the Crow there, like you said, and a second, unseen dude lurking about somewhere? You see, you were outnumbered and never knew it! Crazy huh!
Maybe that second guy, a booster, you call it, was even owned by the same guy playing the Crow! Ridiculous! You could have been playing against just one person, but that one person could have had multiple accounts, so you were playing against two in game characters!
What crazy times we live in.
sh.. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2045
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:47:00 -
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So let me just understand this. You want offgrid boosts nerfed, so that when you get into a fight, you get pointed, then his mate shows up on grid, but like 300km out, and burns in a giant orbit around you, giving you the finger while still providing boosts. Sound about right?
Moving them offgrid to ongrid is not going to solve anything. Get your own booster, or hunt theirs down. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Colt Blackhawk
The Amarrian Expendables 24eme Legion Etrangere
191
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:07:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:So let me just understand this. You want offgrid boosts nerfed, so that when you get into a fight, you get pointed, then his mate shows up on grid, but like 300km out, and burns in a giant orbit around you, giving you the finger while still providing boosts. Sound about right?
Moving them offgrid to ongrid is not going to solve anything. Get your own booster, or hunt theirs down.
You know there is a tool called dscan. If I would have a loki and legion on short scan I would immediately run even from a noobship. But in big systems these funny boosters can even be 200au away. You almost never know if the other one has 8 accounts and is boosted to hell. I have really nothing against implants. Smartbombers like Santo Trafficante balance it out. But hunting ogb is a bad joke. Almost no risk using them. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2045
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:31:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:So let me just understand this. You want offgrid boosts nerfed, so that when you get into a fight, you get pointed, then his mate shows up on grid, but like 300km out, and burns in a giant orbit around you, giving you the finger while still providing boosts. Sound about right?
Moving them offgrid to ongrid is not going to solve anything. Get your own booster, or hunt theirs down. You know there is a tool called dscan. If I would have a loki and legion on short scan I would immediately run even from a noobship. But in big systems these funny boosters can even be 200au away. You almost never know if the other one has 8 accounts and is boosted to hell. I have really nothing against implants. Smartbombers like Santo Trafficante balance it out. But hunting ogb is a bad joke. Almost no risk using them. You kinda missed my point. The point is ongrid or offgrid really doesn't matter. They could be offgrid cloaked until you engage, or ongrid at 200km. It really doesn't matter which. If you started a 1 on 1, got points on each other, so you are both committed, then a booster decloaked 200km away, there's still nothing you could do to stop it. So the fact that it happens to be offgrid is clearly not the issue.
To be honest, it's not even just boosting. You could engage someone and their logi friend could warp in and start repping them from 60km away. A little frigate won't get to and pick though a decent logi before they get popped by their opponent. Or you could engage and their friends appear on grid and start shelling you with ranged weapons.
At the end of the day, if people choose to tip the odds in their favour by breaking it being a one on one, that's just tough luck. Complaining that offgrid boosting must be nerfed is just making it a scapegoat for the issue. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Jureth22
Beyond New Frontier Panic.
148
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Posted - 2013.12.13 18:54:00 -
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no,noobs break game.
also,everytime a noob dies,ccp looses a client. |
Pipa Porto
1389
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Posted - 2013.12.13 19:31:00 -
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At 2000m, you were doing about 30 dps. Assuming he had no implants or boosts. At 5km, that rises to 40 dps. At the edge of scram range, you'd have started slowly breaking his ~50dps tank with your ~80dps applied.
Even webbed, the Condor is faster than your missile's explosion velocity (reducing their damage) and can easily outrun your tracking in close. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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Vizvig
Savage Blizzard Bright Side of Death
125
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:42:00 -
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BREAKING NEWS: MONEY GIVE EXTRA CHANCES TO WIN IN MAH EVE!!! |
HiddenPorpoise
BG-1 The Craniac
137
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:45:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:It cannot be that silly not armor bonused tech1 frigs with enough links can tank better than a vagabond^^ I would like to see this 800dps tank incursus. |
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Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
175
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:06:00 -
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NEVER come to the forums crying about game mechanics after a lost fight. Come here to ask what you did tactically that lead to you getting killed, learn from that and get better. That is the ONLY solution to any loss related matter in EVE.
BTW, your tears are delicious.....hmm,,,,tasty....is that a snickers. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1218
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Posted - 2013.12.14 00:13:00 -
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in before ON-grid-booster tears from crybabies that lost a fight ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Maxor Swift
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.12.14 01:04:00 -
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looks like a standard case of OGB favours me so it fine.
Lol do what i do and hide in high sec then you dont have to worry about this kind of thing but then there no game to play.
O pathos thou art too harsh. |
Ali Cyne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.14 08:07:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:So let me just understand this. You want offgrid boosts nerfed, so that when you get into a fight, you get pointed, then his mate shows up on grid, but like 300km out, and burns in a giant orbit around you, giving you the finger while still providing boosts. Sound about right?
Moving them offgrid to ongrid is not going to solve anything. Get your own booster, or hunt theirs down. You know there is a tool called dscan. If I would have a loki and legion on short scan I would immediately run even from a noobship. But in big systems these funny boosters can even be 200au away. You almost never know if the other one has 8 accounts and is boosted to hell. I have really nothing against implants. Smartbombers like Santo Trafficante balance it out. But hunting ogb is a bad joke. Almost no risk using them. You kinda missed my point. The point is ongrid or offgrid really doesn't matter. They could be offgrid cloaked until you engage, or ongrid at 200km. It really doesn't matter which. If you started a 1 on 1, got points on each other, so you are both committed, then a booster decloaked 200km away, there's still nothing you could do to stop it. So the fact that it happens to be offgrid is clearly not the issue. To be honest, it's not even just boosting. You could engage someone and their logi friend could warp in and start repping them from 60km away. A little frigate won't get to and pick though a decent logi before they get popped by their opponent. Or you could engage and their friends appear on grid and start shelling you with ranged weapons. At the end of the day, if people choose to tip the odds in their favour by breaking it being a one on one, that's just tough luck. Complaining that offgrid boosting must be nerfed is just making it a scapegoat for the issue.
i dont really have an opinion about boosting in solo play but i will say this:
to put forth the idea that a ship several AU away from you is just as vulnerable as one 300km away is deceiving and plain wrong. boosting in general is getting some serious nerfs coming up with the end result being that ships will have to fly together if they wanna get bonuses. if thats 300km away or 100km we dont know. even still, there are ways to deal with a ship at 300k, like chase it off for example. a boosting ship that works from many AU away cant be chased off in the same way.
these problems go above and beyond the standard "save solo" and "isoboxer sucks" debates. its not just a solo issue, its not just a sad fat kid with 12 accounts issue. its a every-eve issue and it will be dealt with accordingly. when it is reigned in you can expect to see all these same folks come out on the forums with cries of "me and my 34 accounts are leaving eve cause you guys nerfed my toy". ah yes the jar will be filled that day.
just fyi and all that, ive never been killed by anyone using a boosting alt and ive never flown with anyone who uses a boosting alt. i play with real people, not robots.
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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2013.12.14 08:28:00 -
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Ali Cyne wrote: just fyi and all that, ive never been killed by anyone using a boosting alt
Obviously the opinion of someone with such vast pvp experience should be taken very seriously. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15835
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:51:00 -
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Ali Cyne wrote:i dont really have an opinion about boosting in solo play but i will say this:
to put forth the idea that a ship several AU away from you is just as vulnerable as one 300km away is deceiving and plain wrong. boosting in general is getting some serious nerfs coming up with the end result being that ships will have to fly together if they wanna get bonuses. if thats 300km away or 100km we dont know. even still, there are ways to deal with a ship at 300k, like chase it off for example. a boosting ship that works from many AU away cant be chased off in the same way.
these problems go above and beyond the standard "save solo" and "isoboxer sucks" debates. its not just a solo issue, its not just a sad fat kid with 12 accounts issue. its a every-eve issue and it will be dealt with accordingly. when it is reigned in you can expect to see all these same folks come out on the forums with cries of "me and my 34 accounts are leaving eve cause you guys nerfed my toy". ah yes the jar will be filled that day.
just fyi and all that, ive never been killed by anyone using a boosting alt and ive never flown with anyone who uses a boosting alt. i play with real people, not robots.
You also missed the point. Even if OGB is nerfed and brought onto grid, these types of players would still complain and lose ships. Simply because people try and favour the odds their way and there will always be ways to do this in an MMO.
But I see your bias coming out a mile off, with talk of fat kids and robots.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
410
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:14:00 -
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armour astero will tank 314dps standing still. I use this one for tackling larger victims in wormholes
[Astero, Silent Gas]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Small Nosferatu II
Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner Small Capacitor Booster II (Navy Cap Booster 150) Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Scrambler II
Damage Control II Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Small Anti-Explosive Pump II
5x Hobgoblin II 5x Hornet EC-300 5x Warrior II
[Statistics - Mournful Conciousness, with EOS squad booster + overheated tank]
Effective HP: 6,906 (Eve: 6,115) Tank Ability: 314.51 DPS Armor Resists - EM: 83.23%, Ex: 75.92%, Ki: 78.20%, Th: 78.20% DPS: 97.20 Max Speed (overheated AB): 1413 m/s
It's quite pricey, but even when webbed it will tank any normal ship. Just don't try it against vindicators or vigilants.
I had a dual rep version which could tank more, but cap management was too difficult when my opponent had a neut.
Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
986
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:37:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:So let me just understand this. You want offgrid boosts nerfed, so that when you get into a fight, you get pointed, then his mate shows up on grid, but like 300km out, and burns in a giant orbit around you, giving you the finger while still providing boosts. Sound about right?
Moving them offgrid to ongrid is not going to solve anything. Get your own booster, or hunt theirs down. You know there is a tool called dscan. If I would have a loki and legion on short scan I would immediately run even from a noobship. But in big systems these funny boosters can even be 200au away. You almost never know if the other one has 8 accounts and is boosted to hell. I have really nothing against implants. Smartbombers like Santo Trafficante balance it out. But hunting ogb is a bad joke. Almost no risk using them. Also this is unlikely to happen because these linked guys are going to be too scared to bring their boosts on grid. They're pussies after all. If that does happen there will be a ton of booster kills to cloaked sb traps. |
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