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luvmehard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.06 13:08:00 -
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Bobbith
No Fish
EVE Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:51:00 -
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luvmehard wrote:I'd like to propose a mechanism that allows to transfer Loyalty Points between LP stores.
With strict rules, of course:
*snip*
Please, discuss!
+1
I dont think it needs to be that complicated, just let people move them around with the same 25% loss that currently exists for concord lps, between corps that are friendly too each other ofc!
This would possibly normalise the conversion rates between lp stores a little bit, which may or may not be a good thing depending on your pov |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.11.06 21:07:00 -
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it's too simplistic -- even though each corporation is part of the same faction, there's nothing to imply that they're on good terms with one another..
e.g. Apple and Microsoft ... both are American companies, but given the chance, I'm sure one would like to see the other fail.
Or Tesco and Sainsburys
Or Walmart and Target
Or Nissan and Toyota
etc... |
luvmehard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.07 09:18:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:it's too simplistic -- even though each corporation is part of the same faction, there's nothing to imply that they're on good terms with one another..
e.g. Apple and Microsoft ... both are American companies, but given the chance, I'm sure one would like to see the other fail.
Or Tesco and Sainsburys
Or Walmart and Target
Or Nissan and Toyota
etc...
There is a standing table in place for this, it's not ad-hoc:
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Standing#Standing_Relationships |
Velicitia
Open Designs
63
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Posted - 2011.11.07 12:09:00 -
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luvmehard wrote:Velicitia wrote:it's too simplistic -- even though each corporation is part of the same faction, there's nothing to imply that they're on good terms with one another..
e.g. Apple and Microsoft ... both are American companies, but given the chance, I'm sure one would like to see the other fail.
Or Tesco and Sainsburys
Or Walmart and Target
Or Nissan and Toyota
etc... There is a standing table in place for this, it's not ad-hoc: http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Standing#Standing_Relationships
Yeah that's inter-faction. What the OP is talking about is taking your CORPORATE LP and using it to buy LP with other corporations.
CONCORD is understandable -- everyone gets along with them (they keep the peace, afterall). But taking my Federation Customs or Federation Navy LP and then trying to buy Duvolle Labs or Roden Shipyards LP really isn't. |
luvmehard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:06:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Yeah that's inter- faction. What the OP is talking about is taking your CORPORATE LP and using it to buy LP with other corporations. CONCORD is understandable -- everyone gets along with them (they keep the peace, afterall). But taking my Federation Customs or Federation Navy LP and then trying to buy Duvolle Labs or Roden Shipyards LP really isn't.
I am sorry, but I fail to see your point.
My proposition is to allow LP transfer (not sell/buy but i guess this is just semantics) between corps belonging to Factions who are not hostile to each other. The type of corporation (Security, Distribution, Mining, R&D) plays no role.
Concord is there only to facilitate the exchange (think of a broker company in a stock exchange) of LPs. Concord has no standing to any of the Empire Factions.
Let me propose an example for you:
You spend some time running lvl4's for Quafe Company and you accumulate around 300k LPs. You then change space and start running missions for Brutor Tribe. You realize the Tempest is amazing and you suddenly want a T2 Tempest, the mighty Vargur. But you are still about 200k LPs shy of getting it from Brutor Tribe's LP Store. You don't really fancy anything from Quafe Company's LP store and decide to trasfer your Quafe LP to your Brutor Tribe LP pool. You would be able to do this, because Gallente Federation and Minmatar Republic are friendly to each other.
You ring up Concord and say 'Hey guys, I'd like you to facilitate LP transfer from A to B for me, please.'
Concord checks if the source and destination LP stores FACTIONS are in good standing with each other and if they are, Concord checks if the requested amount of LPs to transfer meets the minimal requirement (1000LPs for example) and after that Concord sets up the transaction, deducting a 'fee' in the from of LPs (counting in your skill level and the actual inter-FACTION standing of those two Corporations).
If you'd want to transfer your Quafe Company to (for example) Caldari Business Tribunal, you couldn't. Because Gallente and Caldari don't see eye-to-eye.
Why constrain this, you ask? To prevent complete anarchy. And to maintain some status quo in line with the EVE lore. |
Zircon Dasher
Zirconia Trade Group
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Posted - 2011.11.07 19:32:00 -
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luvmehard wrote: you suddenly want a T2 Tempest, the mighty Vargur. But you are still about 200k LPs shy of getting it from Brutor Tribe's LP Store.
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luvmehard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.08 15:10:00 -
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bump |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.11.08 17:19:00 -
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Bumpity-bumpity.
I'm sure some few of us have LP lying about from corps we mission'ed for as newbs that aren't being, and probably won't ever be used.
I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |
luvmehard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.09 06:58:00 -
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bump
Please support my proposal for LP relocation!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30500 |
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luvmehard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:46:00 -
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bump
Please support my proposal for LP relocation!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30500 |
Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
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Posted - 2011.11.10 17:00:00 -
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Having ran missions for a "few" corps in the past and amassing LP's from them I may never use, I support this idea.
Surrender is still your slightly less painful option. |
Daedalus Arcova
69
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Posted - 2011.11.10 17:06:00 -
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Wouldn't transferable loyalty points completely defeat the point? |
luvmehard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.10 17:11:00 -
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Daedalus Arcova wrote:Wouldn't transferable loyalty points completely defeat the point?
Wouldn't think so, no. You would loose a certain amount of them in the transaction and you also would not be able to transfer them freely all over the place.
Please support my proposal for LP relocation!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30500 |
Daedalus Arcova
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Posted - 2011.11.10 17:18:00 -
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luvmehard wrote:Daedalus Arcova wrote:Wouldn't transferable loyalty points completely defeat the point? Wouldn't think so, no. You would loose a certain amount of them in the transaction and you also would not be able to transfer them freely all over the place.
I mean, they're LOYALTY points. They're supposed to reward loyalty to a particular NPC corporation's agents. Transferring them between corporations basically rewards disloyalty, whether you lose some LP in the transfer or not. |
Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2011.11.10 17:21:00 -
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Daedalus Arcova wrote:luvmehard wrote:Daedalus Arcova wrote:Wouldn't transferable loyalty points completely defeat the point? Wouldn't think so, no. You would loose a certain amount of them in the transaction and you also would not be able to transfer them freely all over the place. I mean, they're LOYALTY points. They're supposed to reward loyalty to a particular NPC corporation's agents. Transferring them between corporations basically rewards disloyalty, whether you lose some LP in the transfer or not.
I agree. Loyalty isn't transferable. Proposal not supported.
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.10 17:24:00 -
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Why aren't loyalty points faction based anyway?
I mean, I do understand that you're building standings with specific corps, but all the corps sell the same LP items which are all faction based items.
So essentially they're rewarding you with FACTION LP to buy FACTION items that are available EVERYWHERE.
So why not just make loyalty points faction based instead of corpate based.
After all, they are being used to buy faction supplied items anyway. |
luvmehard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.11.11 21:30:00 -
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bump
Please support my proposal for LP relocation!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30500 |
luvmehard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.11.13 18:12:00 -
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bump
Please support my proposal for LP relocation!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30500 |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:17:00 -
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I don't like the idea, it homogenizes Eve too much. It's already too easy in Eve to get into every business and do it all your self. The divisions of labor in Eve need more specialization. That is not to say strict classes or hard coded limits on how many different things you can do. More so, where people choose to spend their time needs to be a commitment to that area.
If a player wants to mine for 2 hours from an agent, great, but he should not be able to use those LP to purchase combat related things with LP. Likewise a combat mission runner should not be able to spend two hours of LP on mining gear.
One of the things that leads to greater economic growth in an economy, not to mention dynamic behavior over a braod scope, is the division of labor and specialization. Eve has a few issues in this regard. There is not enough specialization, there is not enough division of labor.
This idea would erode what little specialization and division exists in the PVE arena. |
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:19:00 -
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Doh silly buttons |
luvmehard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.23 10:37:00 -
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bump
Please support my proposal for LP relocation!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30500 |
luvmehard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.11.28 10:16:00 -
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le bump
Please support my proposal for LP relocation!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30500 |
Rina Asanari
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.28 12:15:00 -
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I've asked myself whether I would have let this thread die by starvation or post a comment, I've decided for the latter.
In two words: Bad idea.
In more words: One cannot buy loyalty. One can hire services, but the mercenary would surely leave as soon as there is a better offer. True loyalty (that's what LP is meant to be the measurable amount) can only be earned. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.28 12:25:00 -
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.11.28 12:45:00 -
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Daedalus Arcova wrote:luvmehard wrote:Daedalus Arcova wrote:Wouldn't transferable loyalty points completely defeat the point? Wouldn't think so, no. You would loose a certain amount of them in the transaction and you also would not be able to transfer them freely all over the place. I mean, they're LOYALTY points. They're supposed to reward loyalty to a particular NPC corporation's agents. Transferring them between corporations basically rewards disloyalty, whether you lose some LP in the transfer or not.
I have to agree with Daedalus here.... a corp gives you 'loyalty' points so you are loyal... and so you buy stuff from them.
This will simply lead to further flavor of the month purchasing or meta gaming to switch LPs around to make the most ISK per LP all the time.
If you want something from a specific corp, then you should have to work with that corp to earn it.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Mar vel
A.I.M.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 06:13:00 -
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Since 95% of the items in the LP store within a faction are the same, I can't see what harm it could do. i support this idea fully.
Jint Hikaru wrote:Daedalus Arcova wrote:luvmehard wrote:Daedalus Arcova wrote:Wouldn't transferable loyalty points completely defeat the point? Wouldn't think so, no. You would loose a certain amount of them in the transaction and you also would not be able to transfer them freely all over the place. I mean, they're LOYALTY points. They're supposed to reward loyalty to a particular NPC corporation's agents. Transferring them between corporations basically rewards disloyalty, whether you lose some LP in the transfer or not. I have to agree with Daedalus here.... a corp gives you 'loyalty' points so you are loyal... and so you buy stuff from them. This will simply lead to further flavor of the month purchasing or meta gaming to switch LPs around to make the most ISK per LP all the time. If you want something from a specific corp, then you should have to work with that corp to earn it.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
355
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Posted - 2011.12.16 06:08:00 -
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As someone who pays attention to the in game economy and understands the concepts of "choices having consequences", I cannot support this proposal.
All that will happen is that all LP will become equally worthless: you will end up grinding LP with the corporation which allows you the fastest possible accumulation (e.g.: the one that has four L4 security agents in the same 0.5 system) and trade your LP from there to wherever you happen to need it this time around.
LP for that little corporation with only Distribution and Mining agents will lose value: sure, the conversion rate is 80%, but since you can earn LPs at three to six times the rate by doing Security missions, you don't really care.
Ultimately all LP will become worthless. |
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