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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.12.18 18:25:00 -
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Lady d'Hanguest herself is a member of an Amarr militia corporation. PIE does not condone infighting between militia forces. Any actions taken will be with that in mind.
Both organizations that have directly declared war, Stormcrows and Ishtirak d'Hanguest, will have their hostilities met where appropriate, obviously. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera
JIHADASQUAD
1235
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Posted - 2013.12.18 18:40:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Lady d'Hanguest herself is a member of an Amarr militia corporation. PIE does not condone infighting between militia forces. Any actions taken will be with that in mind. Both organizations that have directly declared war, Stormcrows and Ishtirak d'Hanguest, will have their hostilities met where appropriate, obviously.
A reasonable statement.
Will Odeyla's membership in said Amarr militia organization sour their relationship with PIE? Can you work alongside an organization whose membership wants you harmed? Throw the rotten apple out with the entire bushel, or let it fester?
Or will it be more of a brushed under the carpet by the house servant sort of scenario?
Thank you to the Praetorians for their responses thus far, of course.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
647
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Posted - 2013.12.18 19:44:00 -
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Anslo wrote:I get the politics involved sort of but...Odelya aggressed first. Even if PIE attacked her and the Khanid, wouldn't it be justified? If the Khanid politicians start having issues, couldn't the Amarr just point to Odelya and tell em to leash up their dog or else?...
I feel like any political ramifications could be made moot simply because PIE is acting in defense against a yapping selfcentered pornstar...
Why would other Amarrian organizations imply themselves in what is mostly a war of egos ? |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3639
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Posted - 2013.12.18 19:48:00 -
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I dunno Lyn, that's why I asked. I was reading some stuff here that hinted at larger parties being involved that would prevent PIE from acting. Namely Khanid and the Empress' administration.
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Constantin Baracca
323
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Posted - 2013.12.18 20:56:00 -
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Anslo wrote:I dunno Lyn, that's why I asked. I was reading some stuff here that hinted at larger parties being involved that would prevent PIE from acting. Namely Khanid and the Empress' administration.
As far as capsuleer corporations go, PIE is sort of the big blinking light of the Amarrian Empire. There are probably other organizations that are larger, more influential with the government, that make more money, or that are more important to the war effort. I don't know them and haven't looked up the statistics to see where in the grand scheme of things PIE sits. It mostly isn't important. To most people, PIE is who you think of when you think of Imperial loyalty.
In short, a few more organizations declaring war on them, especially random mercenary corporations and their employers, isn't even at the top of PIE's priority list. They're a magnet for people who just don't like Amarrians, some of whom are quite a bit more sickening and violent than your average mercenary group. So while we gossipers titter about things like this, for them, this is just another Wednesday for them.
The only thing that really matters is how they're going to handle the politics of it. I'll assume that her handlers, if they don't decide that she's become more trouble than she's worth, will stay clear and let her sink or swim in the hole she's dug herself. The government doesn't need a mercenary group to deal with her if they think she's significantly weakening our defenses. They'll break her spurs and seize her holdings if this becomes more than another random capsuleer disagreement.
"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2444
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Posted - 2013.12.18 21:30:00 -
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It didn't seem to be 'just another Wednesday' to Mr Shutaq last night. I hesitate to use the word 'frothing' but he was doing a fairly good impression of that from what I saw. |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3640
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Posted - 2013.12.18 21:51:00 -
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Now that I see where they're moving...this almost looks like a war of reputations. Odelya's crew are covering spots PIE cannot due to deployment schedules. I got reports of Minmatar fleets nomal in charge of the zone getting wiped out. And quick. Maybe Odelya's trying to rub salt in the wound of their pride by accomplishing something new in the zone.
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Constantin Baracca
323
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Posted - 2013.12.18 21:58:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:It didn't seem to be 'just another Wednesday' to Mr Shutaq last night. I hesitate to use the word 'frothing' but he was doing a fairly good impression of that from what I saw.
If he hadn't, would this have been news? To PIE, though, I can't see this being exceptionally important, at least not in any technical sense. There's enough "red" where they live that a few more probably won't even register.
If they decided to completely abandon the field and go hunting, I would be much more shocked.
"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3640
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Posted - 2013.12.18 22:03:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:It didn't seem to be 'just another Wednesday' to Mr Shutaq last night. I hesitate to use the word 'frothing' but he was doing a fairly good impression of that from what I saw. If he hadn't, would this have been news? To PIE, though, I can't see this being exceptionally important, at least not in any technical sense. There's enough "red" where they live that a few more probably won't even register. If they decided to completely abandon the field and go hunting, I would be much more shocked.
Like I said, this doesn't look like a 'who can blow up the most on the other side' kind of war. Their deployment times dont even match it's about reputation. With high sec assets and recruits under fire by Stormcrows, Odelya is seemingly free to show her group as more capable in the warzone and more effective in combat.
I have no idea how this will turn out.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2446
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Posted - 2013.12.18 22:19:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Now that I see where they're moving...this almost looks like a war of reputations. Odelya's crew are covering spots PIE cannot due to deployment schedules. I got reports of Minmatar fleets nomal in charge of the zone getting wiped out. And quick. Maybe Odelya's trying to rub salt in the wound of their pride by accomplishing something new in the zone.
That's actually pretty cunning. One has to wonder when PIE will contract mercenaries of their own to disperse the harassing fleets of Stormcrows so that they can return to business as usual? |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera
JIHADASQUAD
1236
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Posted - 2013.12.18 22:24:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Anslo wrote:Now that I see where they're moving...this almost looks like a war of reputations. Odelya's crew are covering spots PIE cannot due to deployment schedules. I got reports of Minmatar fleets nomal in charge of the zone getting wiped out. And quick. Maybe Odelya's trying to rub salt in the wound of their pride by accomplishing something new in the zone. That's actually pretty cunning. One has to wonder when PIE will contract mercenaries of their own to disperse the harassing fleets of Stormcrows so that they can return to business as usual?
Unlikely. One of the problems of deeming just about everything as unworthy of the slightest response is that the slightest response tends to make those just uttered words ring hollow.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3640
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Posted - 2013.12.18 22:28:00 -
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Now that I understand how PIE's reputation works, I think Odelya's banking on them NOT hiring mercs. Why would the grandest and oldest alliance in Amarr need to hire mercs for a smalltime band like the Crows? If they do, they look weak. That and who knows what Amarr feel like towards mercs. But if they go chase off the Crows, Odelya's free to make a reputation for her group and capture systems. What's PIE gonna do then? Shoot the people claiming space for her Majesty?
....THIS IS BETTER THAN PRIME TIME HOLOVIDS!!!
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Ascentior
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
55
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Posted - 2013.12.19 00:41:00 -
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I know I'm going to regret even bothering to respond again, but I made the mistake of reading more of this useless conversation.
"Odelya's crew" as someone has so eloquently put it, is not Odelya's crew at all. They are zero2respect's crew. Someone I (and a lot of other Amarr loyalists) have a great deal of respect for. A capable pilot, tactician, diplomat and fleet commander. The fact that his corporation and alliance are still continuing to achieve a great deal in the name of The Empire, is something we should all be grateful for.
I know it is disappointing to those that wish to see drama, but there really is nothing to see here. A group of mercenaries have been hired by someone with the inability to make a smart decision. PIE has continued to do our job. And I am immensely proud of our pilots for continuing to do their duty. |
Constantin Baracca
323
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Posted - 2013.12.19 00:59:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Now that I understand how PIE's reputation works, I think Odelya's banking on them NOT hiring mercs. Why would the grandest and oldest alliance in Amarr need to hire mercs for a smalltime band like the Crows? If they do, they look weak. That and who knows what Amarr feel like towards mercs. But if they go chase off the Crows, Odelya's free to make a reputation for her group and capture systems. What's PIE gonna do then? Shoot the people claiming space for her Majesty?
....THIS IS BETTER THAN PRIME TIME HOLOVIDS!!!
I have a feeling that PIE won't shed tears if someone else is putting their backs into the work they're doing in the declaration zone. I don't think PIE's reputation is going to ever be marred by someone else showing up to do the work. They've done too much already to really lose that reputation. Besides, if Odelya wanted the reputation that goes along with taking over bits of space, I'm pretty sure she would have bit her tongue and played nicely with PIE. It's better to have less red than more in lowsec, I imagine.
The idea of mercenaries in Amarrian service is mixed, from what I know. The idea of getting someone to do your dirty work isn't exactly something that's totally out of our range, obviously. The problem is that you don't generally get credit in the Amarr Empire for the work someone else does on your behalf. So while hiring mercenaries might further Odelya's ends somehow, it's definitely not going to be for her reputation.
Unfortunately for her, the best outcome from this is that her mercenaries do minimal, but sustained, damage in order to annoy PIE. If they do nothing, she gains nothing. If they succeed beyond her wildest dreams, she is going to be blamed for essentially damaging Imperial defenses, whether PIE is really that important or not. PIE's image is too respectable compared to her own.
"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
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