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ArchangelX
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:31:00 -
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I want to say first that I dont want to start a flame but I am curious to peoples responses.
I am a escrow guru, I spend hours on end going through escrow then finding good deals, then selling for a good profit.
In less than 4 days I turned 12 million isk into 105 million isk by finding deals on escrow and selling higher.
I dont mind people trying to scam escrows, most people are smart enough to notice its a scam and move on, those that are stupid enough to fall for it hopefuly learn a lesson.
I have never escrow scammed.
I want to make it clear I have never been scammed by escrow either.
My problem is that some people like putting 20+ scams on escrow.
It gets to the point where I inspect something and its obviously not it, I of course move on, but its annoying when I have to search through soo many scams to find a good deal.
The question is not if escrow scamming should be allowed or not but "when does the scamming actualy hurt the game mechanics."
In my opinion. It is preventing people from doing their normal business by wasting their time.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:36:00 -
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In that case, the word "spam" is more applicable 
I don't care whether its 100 raven BPCs or 100 tritanium apocs, its all the same to me. WTB Escrow Block Tool.
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Miko Lee
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Miko Lee on 08/03/2006 00:38:40
scamming is part of the spice of life. However there should be the ablity to block certain peep
edit - yup blocking tool, easy solution
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ArchangelX
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: ArchangelX on 08/03/2006 00:38:53
Wait a second , I think you have something there Dark, A Escrow Blocking tool would be nice.
Put all the scammers in the list, Problem solved in every way.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:40:00 -
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 Originally by: ArchangelX
Wait a second , I think you have something there Dark, A Escrow Blocking tool would be nice.
I've posted this about 100 times before too  .
Don't see why not IMO 
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Wesley Harding
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:41:00 -
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Either that or a small fee for using escrow.
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Micia
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Harding
Either that or a small fee for using escrow.
There already is a small fee, for using Escrow. 
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:48:00 -
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make a likst somewhere of known toons that are scammers and when u see their escrows ignore them
CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
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Openheimer
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:50:00 -
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A little fairy whipsered in my ear that Escrow is on the way out and all persons wanting to sell anything will have to use the market.
Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor ?
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:52:00 -
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if market is to be the case we then need a regional wide (what is actually needed is to inspect the merchandise and then a back or buy button) force people to look at it first
CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed - |
Wesley Harding
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Posted - 2006.03.08 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Micia
Originally by: Wesley Harding
Either that or a small fee for using escrow.
There already is a small fee, for using Escrow.
I haven't noticed one. There is for the regular market, but I have never noticed a drop in my wallet or any mentioning of a fee for escrow.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Harding
Originally by: Micia
Originally by: Wesley Harding
Either that or a small fee for using escrow.
There already is a small fee, for using Escrow.
I haven't noticed one. There is for the regular market, but I have never noticed a drop in my wallet or any mentioning of a fee for escrow.
Its on the page where you set escrows--850 ISK.
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Wesley Harding
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Posted - 2006.03.08 01:25:00 -
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So kill a small rat and you can put up twenty scams that may very likely work on the excitable player sort.
Wonderful.
Not that I've been scammed on escrow yet, but I've had to look more then twice a few times, and I imagine it'd be easy for someone to put up nearly identical escrows next to legit ones. Like say, there's an escrow in Jita for a Navy Raven, costing 1.2 billion ISK. You could make an identical one to that with a regular Raven, and have a good chance of fooling someone.
All you would need to do is fly to the same station, buy a Raven give it the same cursor description, and put the item on escrow. The person has a 50/50 chance of clicking the wrong escrow as they'd appear right next to eachother, and just a couple seconds to notice it's the wrong item if they aren't predisposed to triple checking.
That is messed up.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Harding
All you would need to do is fly to the same station, buy a Raven give it the same cursor description, and put the item on escrow. The person has a 50/50 chance of clicking the wrong escrow as they'd appear right next to eachother, and just a couple seconds to notice it's the wrong item if they aren't predisposed to triple checking.
That is messed up.
Not really.
It comes up and WARNS YOU specifically about whats in the escrow.
If you don't read that, you deserve to be scammed IMO.
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Wesley Harding
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Posted - 2006.03.08 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Wesley Harding
All you would need to do is fly to the same station, buy a Raven give it the same cursor description, and put the item on escrow. The person has a 50/50 chance of clicking the wrong escrow as they'd appear right next to eachother, and just a couple seconds to notice it's the wrong item if they aren't predisposed to triple checking.
That is messed up.
Not really.
It comes up and WARNS YOU specifically about whats in the escrow.
If you don't read that, you deserve to be scammed IMO.
I know it warns you, but anyone can be fooled and have a lapse for a moment.
Don't tell me you operate your mouse with surgeon-like precision for every moment that has ever counted for something while you've played EVE.
Besides, there's a point where people feel that they make so much money they become less careful with it. It's a fault I admit, but I don't see why people who profit greatly with little effort from exploiting this fault should get off scout free.
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Yossar
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Posted - 2006.03.08 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Not really.
It comes up and WARNS YOU specifically about whats in the escrow.
If you don't read that, you deserve to be scammed IMO.
No you don't. That's like saying you deserve to be ripped off if you go into Wal-Mart and they ring you up for $5 extra and you don't catch it on your receipt before you leave the store. You should learn to be more careful, but it's pretty obvious which party is at fault.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Yossar
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Not really.
It comes up and WARNS YOU specifically about whats in the escrow.
If you don't read that, you deserve to be scammed IMO.
No you don't. That's like saying you deserve to be ripped off if you go into Wal-Mart and they ring you up for $5 extra and you don't catch it on your receipt before you leave the store. You should learn to be more careful, but it's pretty obvious which party is at fault.
Not really.
Its more like you go to a resturaunt, you order a burrito, and a giant sign appears in front of you saying "WARNING: YOU ORDERED A FRENCH FRY. DO YOU WANT A FRENCH FRY?"
I do in fact look very carefully before clicking Accept on any escrow.
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Berrik Radhok
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Posted - 2006.03.08 01:51:00 -
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While escrow scams are annoying, what's more annoying are the people who post 50 BPCs at a time 
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.03.08 02:05:00 -
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pssh you cant catch an escrow scam? i think they are funny. i've noticed a popular one lately is to put up in description that a Charon is for sale for a hundred mil or so off, and then the item is actually Carbon. lolz i would love to see someone fall for that. i honestly would love to see it.
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.03.08 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Double TaP on 08/03/2006 02:08:17
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Its more like you go to a resturaunt, you order a burrito, and a giant sign appears in front of you saying "WARNING: YOU ORDERED A FRENCH FRY. DO YOU WANT A FRENCH FRY?"
hahahah best forum post to date for you.
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Juki Lee
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Posted - 2006.03.08 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Harding
So kill a small rat and you can put up twenty scams that may very likely work on the excitable player sort.
Wonderful.
Not that I've been scammed on escrow yet, but I've had to look more then twice a few times, and I imagine it'd be easy for someone to put up nearly identical escrows next to legit ones. Like say, there's an escrow in Jita for a Navy Raven, costing 1.2 billion ISK. You could make an identical one to that with a regular Raven, and have a good chance of fooling someone.
All you would need to do is fly to the same station, buy a Raven give it the same cursor description, and put the item on escrow. The person has a 50/50 chance of clicking the wrong escrow as they'd appear right next to eachother, and just a couple seconds to notice it's the wrong item if they aren't predisposed to triple checking.
That is messed up.
Anyone who is about to spend 1.2 billion ISK and DOES NOT verify their goods is a moron and deserves to be scammed.
Thats like me buying a 50 million dollar boat without ever inspecting it once, then being angry that I got a tiny fishing boat with oars.
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Surtor
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Posted - 2006.03.08 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Double TaP
pssh you cant catch an escrow scam? i think they are funny. i've noticed a popular one lately is to put up in description that a Charon is for sale for a hundred mil or so off, and then the item is actually Carbon. lolz i would love to see someone fall for that. i honestly would love to see it.
You get an F for reading comprehension, what everyone is asking for is the ability to filter out specific users from the escrow lists. The entire point is we CAN tell when its a scam, but would like to not pick through the scams everytime we load the list looking for a bargain.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.03.08 04:22:00 -
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I like the idea of an escrow blocker so we can block known scammers.
Also I think anyone who finds a scam should be able to report it - Similar to the advertising standards, you report the advertiser for making false claims. It would make scammers think more carefully if they are going to be fined a percentage of the price difference between what is described and what is inside. For example, the put up an Apoc at 80m and inside is an apoc BPC valued at around 1 million, they get fined 790,000 isk which is 10% of the difference between them. Since everyone seems to be harping on about risk v reward, I think there ought to be that risk for scammers as well, they have to decide if it's worth the risk of being fined if they get caught out.
A search on the description field would be helpful as well. You can sort by description but Looking for a particular item isn't easy when people have different descriptions. A 'T2 xxxx BS' might have 'T2 BS xxxx' or 'BS xxxx T2' or even 'xxxx T2 BS' so now we are looking in three different places on the list for the same thing.
I also think that BPC's should have their own market section to keep them out of the Escrow and make them easier to find and compare prices etc. Too many BPC's have massive differences in price but because of the description problem, they can't be easily compared.
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Taran Blake
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Posted - 2006.03.08 04:33:00 -
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An escrow filter tool would be really useful, not just to block out the scams, but also to be able to find stuff that isn't showing up any more...
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Pwyle Kenobi
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Posted - 2006.03.08 05:19:00 -
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Escrow filters and field chosers would be very useful but isn't it a case that CCP is unlikely to provide them b/c they want to encourage everyone to use the regional markets.
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Juki Lee
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Posted - 2006.03.08 05:23:00 -
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I'd really like a simple "Sort by Item name" or "sort by item type"
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.03.08 05:42:00 -
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Escrow and courier missions will be replaced with the new and far more advanced Contract system in Kali.
With any luck it will have more advanced options like search by item and hide user. Of course the trick is to not improve it to the point it's more popular than the market for common goods.
All I know for certain is that it will be changing in Kali.... probably.
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Juki Lee
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Posted - 2006.03.08 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Escrow and courier missions will be replaced with the new and far more advanced Contract system in Kali.
With any luck it will have more advanced options like search by item and hide user. Of course the trick is to not improve it to the point it's more popular than the market for common goods.
All I know for certain is that it will be changing in Kali.... probably.
It's ALREADY more popular among a lot of people. I hate the regional market, can't stand it at all. I live in a technologically advanced time, in a civilization where flying between stars is as commonplace as driving to the store, and you're telling me I can't get a market update from anywhere outside of my own region?
We have widespread FTL communications (explained ingame no less!), we have the ability to chat in real time across interstellar distances. I can send mail messages to anyone in the known galaxy. BUT! I can't get a price on tempest battleships in the heimatar region unless I go there.
Its stupid.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.03.08 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Juki Lee
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Escrow and courier missions will be replaced with the new and far more advanced Contract system in Kali.
With any luck it will have more advanced options like search by item and hide user. Of course the trick is to not improve it to the point it's more popular than the market for common goods.
All I know for certain is that it will be changing in Kali.... probably.
It's ALREADY more popular among a lot of people. I hate the regional market, can't stand it at all. I live in a technologically advanced time, in a civilization where flying between stars is as commonplace as driving to the store, and you're telling me I can't get a market update from anywhere outside of my own region?
We have widespread FTL communications (explained ingame no less!), we have the ability to chat in real time across interstellar distances. I can send mail messages to anyone in the known galaxy. BUT! I can't get a price on tempest battleships in the heimatar region unless I go there.
Its stupid.
Put it down to an SCC fair trade directive or some such. It's a good game mechanic for traders. Without that limited view there would be little room for inter-regional imort / export.
Escrow sales are great for stuff you can't put on the market or batches of items (Buy this Tempest and get 4000 rounds of large calibre Depleted Uranium ammo FREE!!!) but I know very few people buying and selling minerals on Escrow. Being popular with some people is not that same as being more popular for the majority of people.
The market has other advantages, you can't tweak the price on your escrow from space when you get undercut. Actually once it's in escrow it's locked.
A global view on the entire market would be a nail in the coffin of import / export. The only profit to be made in inter-regional trade would be in freight.
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Micia
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Posted - 2006.03.08 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Juki Lee
I'd really like a simple "Sort by Item name" or "sort by item type"
Yah, I'd like to see something like that as well.
The problem is, in Escrow, one can bundle multiple items into a single Escrow package and call that package what one wills.
I'd be in favour of a simple "CTRL-F" to find the keywords to look for, in the descriptions.
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