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Lady Noriko
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Posted - 2006.03.08 14:50:00 -
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Now, how many times i have read this "reputaion of killing regardles of paid ramson is bad so they dont do it, trust em" stuff?
Ten times? A hundred times? Or does this urban myth haunt every "advice/tip/hint/dothisdontdothat" thread?
Come on, whats up with that bull****? Theres no indicator of how trustworthy someone is (eve is not ebay i guess ehehe). Reputation you say? Now, how many victims EVER heard of you? We are new to the game, we are concerned with getting skills and cash. How are we supposed to know a **** about you guys reps? We only know for sure that you are bastards wiling to ruin us. So please, drop the act.
For newbies, there are only two thing they should do:
1.) Never ever Fly ships you can't afford to loose
2.) Never ever use Expensive equipment when youre alone just to get +10 ore/minute or somethimg like that. Use inexpensive stuff. If you get ganked youl loose only a tiny amount of cash and can laugh at any rat trying to ramson you. Looting t1 stuff isn't that rewarding either.
Thats how it is.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.03.08 15:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Lady Noriko
Reputation you say? Now, how many victims EVER heard of you? We are new to the game, we are concerned with getting skills and cash. How are we supposed to know a **** about you guys reps?
Make friends and talk to locals, youll hear soon enough then.
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Ange1
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Posted - 2006.03.08 15:07:00 -
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The general conduct of a corp and hearsay from people who've encountered them are the best judge of their trustworthiness. If you don't know though, its either take a gamble or lose your ship/pod.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.08 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Usul Faust on 08/03/2006 15:20:35
Pirates always recommend paying up in their poxy 'how to survive robbery' threads because its easy cash for them. They don't have to pick through the crap that fell off your ship for something worth selling, and unless you're packing really good named/faction stuff, they'll probably make more money from a ransom anyway.
Personally, i wouldn't bother paying. You lose a ship, but there's always the possibility that all they'll get off you is a Cap Power Relay 1 and some random ammo. **** 'em tbh.
no skills, just luck.
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Nahia Senne
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Posted - 2006.03.08 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
Personally, i wouldn't bother paying. You lose a ship, but there's always the possibility that all they'll get off you is a Cap Power Relay 1 and some random ammo. **** 'em tbh.
personally, i dont bother ransoming. there is much better chance i will make far more from your mod's and from your pod than from a ransom 
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.08 15:54:00 -
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you've obviously never seen the cack i fit my ships with ;)
no skills, just luck.
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Amarid Fury
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Posted - 2006.03.08 16:00:00 -
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I've gotta agree with the OP.
In the 6 weeks I've been playing, i've been PK'd 6 times.
Every single time I was just blasted out of space.
Funny thing is, so far, they've gotten me on my way to pick something up, or just after I picked something up. so they almost always get a nearly empty ship. Hope those T1 modules make you enough to cover the ammo costs :)
I've not ONCE been asked for a ransom.
Not once.
I will GLADLY pay a ransom, just so I don't have to take the time to re-outfit a ship. But not once was I asked for one.
And everytime I was podded RIGHT after my ship was destroyed. I'm talking under 3 seconds.
I plan on eventually going anti-pirate becuase of this.. Revenge is all, of course. :)
I do have to thank these guys. they gave me a purpose in this game :)
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 16:02:00 -
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The issue with ransoms is that while people whine every day that pirates don't ransom, those pirates who do ransom get ignored or refused the vast majority of the time. The same carebears who insist on ransoms refuse them when they finally get offered!
Most pirates have realized that there are few situations (due to insurance) in which they would earn more through a ransom (if they're lucky enough for the victim to accept) than they would off the loot. The danger of the victim stalling with the ransom to get backup or the like is simply too high to risk the small payout.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.03.08 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
Pirates always recommend paying up in their poxy 'how to survive robbery' threads because its easy cash for them.
Most belt pirates I know, ransom people as a gesture of good will. Not because they're looking for an easy buck. Its far less bothersome to just ***** open someones hull, squish the pod so he doesn't whine in local and go on your merry way.
Easy money would be me getting a Smartbomb Typhoon and sitting at a 0.0 chokepoint gate all day with a covert ops friend on the other side of the gate and my scanner up to check the incoming traffic.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.08 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Usul Faust on 08/03/2006 16:13:20
Personally, i'd rather make some fast easy cash from a ransom, than mess about with a hold full of dual light pulse lasers or whatever tat was fitted.
but then, i'm not a piewait.
no skills, just luck.
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Nahia Senne
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Posted - 2006.03.08 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
you've obviously never seen the cack i fit my ships with ;)
you obviously dont have much expirience in piracy 
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:05:00 -
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I very rarely get refused a ransom, and everyone who pays up lives.
Basically, If someone keeps their word for long enough, and works in the business long enough, once they've gained the relative trust of the general public, they can ransom and have to worry very little about being turned down when it comes to offering a ransom price.
The last couple of people whom have faild to pay, have been sheerly out of stubborn personal principle.
I.E. ""I'm not paying you, pirate bastard... go **** yourself!"
It's no act, it's as valid a profession as being a miner or trader.
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Golden Helmet
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:10:00 -
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most people probaly go by what corp the pirate is in, rather than the individual's reputation (cuz theres too darned many pirates out there ). For instance, if i got ransomed by newbie corp random pirate A, i wouldent be so quick to trust them to let me go. But if i was ransomed by a member of a popular pirate corp, such as Snigg or Biomass, i'd know that i can trust them to let me go (else i'll name and shame on the forums anyways).
Lucky for me, i tend to be doing the ransoming rather than being the ransomed. and for those of you future victims reading my post, if you pay the rather small ransom i ask for, you will be set free. I've ransomed a Rupture for 5 mill and a Caracal for 2 mill so far, and upon confirming payment i imediatly let both pilots go. But i don't offer ransoms very often, if i think your loot is worth a pretty penny, i'm not gonna offer and you'll have to convo me asking for a price, else i'll just kill + pod
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Hinik
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:14:00 -
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I've not been refused a ransom in quite some time, as people who fly the area ATUF inhabit know we're "decent" pirates.
though we don't rensom all the time, only when it's feasable (as in there's not 30 people in local ready to jump us) and of course, we don't ransom new players, as we know that as they're likely only to have basic mods, up to date cheap clone and insurance, it would not be in their interest to pay a high ransom, and not in ours to demand a low one... and the thing is we will either leave a noob or kill them, depending totally upon how we're feling at that instant.
Truth is, if you're ransomed by a member of ATUF (and there are only a few of us) it'll be honoured.
if you're ransomed by anyone they're likely to keep their word, as if they get a bad rep, nobody will pay their ransoms
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Lazy Gun
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Posted - 2006.03.11 12:17:00 -
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My corp always honours it ransoms. However, we don't always offer one. Each client is judged individually at the time based on the present circumstances. We always remain polite and even say please. :)
It's just bad economics to go bad on a ransom. Naturally some would say ransoms themselves are bad economics but that's another story.
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Sicex
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Posted - 2006.03.11 12:23:00 -
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Maybe these victims need to take it upon themselves and proactively request a ransom... We never ransom unless asked.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.03.11 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sicex
Maybe these victims need to take it upon themselves and proactively request a ransom... We never ransom unless asked.
How I feel about it. All smart players in EVE will know what you're and will spam in local before you think about asking. It's a pretty much given now that most pirates will accept ISK to stop fighting.
I can't say I'm "Cool" enough to have every ransom paid because im Famine (Not that it means anything anyways).
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Tahki
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Posted - 2006.03.11 14:08:00 -
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I don't ransom, but i cyclone offered me 7mil and change today for his ship last night. Said it was all the cash he had, and I belive him. It was going to take me at least a another minute to finish the bc off, and he might have had some corpmates that weren't stationafk in the system. I took it. 3 minutes into my timer I regreted it.
He might have had a faction mod on. I doubt it, but its a posibility. He was only 3 months old, but judging from previous killmails from his corp, they do alright(destroyed a couple sansha mods), so there might have been some nice named mods. I'm probably never going to get another shot at this guy, he learned his lesson, and a cheap lesson at that for only 7mil.
So I'm not going to take ransoms. One fool with a faction shield booster could fill my hanger with a months worth of crows. Long odds of me popping a ship with a faction mod, but the odds start looking better if the victim convos me with an offer. Its a serious pain in the butt looting the can, and selling all the loot, and I hate doing it. But it might pay off someday.
(i'm posting with an alt. I'm a criminal. I hurt people for fun and profit. Mainly fun. I like to keep my profile as low as posible.)
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Zafriel
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Posted - 2006.03.11 15:03:00 -
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I tend to ransom when I can, a bit hard down near where RHNNY hang out because it seems they offer naps to many people then blow them up afterwards, but its a challenge
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Zatire
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Posted - 2006.03.11 16:37:00 -
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If my victim answer my convo request and pay the ransom they can go with the ship intact, I stay true to my promise. If I was after your ship you wouldnt get a ransom request in the first place.
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.03.11 20:27:00 -
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I stopped ransoming mostly because, i can kill 3 noobs, two will drop crap loot, but one will drop something worth exorbitant amounts of money. So its worth it in the end (need to get my damn sec up now tho)
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Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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IRON Maul
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Posted - 2006.03.11 22:19:00 -
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I am a pirate, I don't ransom and I don't care.
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duffmantt
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Posted - 2006.03.12 01:18:00 -
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Ransom is good when it can be done, but most of the time is is simply not worthwhile.
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Fanden
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Posted - 2006.03.12 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
I very rarely get refused a ransom, and everyone who pays up lives.
Basically, If someone keeps their word for long enough, and works in the business long enough, once they've gained the relative trust of the general public, they can ransom and have to worry very little about being turned down when it comes to offering a ransom price.
The last couple of people whom have faild to pay, have been sheerly out of stubborn personal principle.
I.E. ""I'm not paying you, pirate bastard... go **** yourself!"
It's no act, it's as valid a profession as being a miner or trader.
Aye, I find meself agreein' with yer view mate. Tha' pirates add a lot o'depth to tha' game as well.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.12 17:11:00 -
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not to mention comedy accents.
no skills, just luck.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.03.12 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Noriko
How are we supposed to know a **** about you guys reps?
Follow Joshua's advice in the second post. You need to spend only a little time in a new area chatting a bit to know who is who around those parts.
Not all pirates will offer you a ransom, but those that do usually honor their word; if they don't, word gets around in the area pretty quickly.
Plus, from my personal experience and odd as it may seem, sometimes polite negotiations are followed not only by a successful ransom deal, but rather friendly conversations. Go figure, socializing with strangers in a videogame.
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