I gave it a little tought and realized that maybe a ramming module is a better solution after all. A passive lowslot module like an armor plate.. idk. A module that if fitted gives you a criminal flag if you bump other ships while shieldless. Maybe the module strips your own shield for ramming by itself. I'm trying to be creative here, sorry if it's not working. Lol.

It's not working, at all. You're inventing mechanic after mechanic just to get around flaws in your idea. trust me, it won't work. Go back to the drawing board and start again from scratch.

Why should highsec have different physical rules from everywhere else?

And, given that flying in a fleet would be completely impossible without it, why would anybody ever turn it off?

Obviously the mechanics would have to be designed so that collisions did not occur during wing warps. If you are talking about movement while fighting, turning off collision avoidance would be useful if you wanted to go in a particular direction and you were in a ship with a large mass and you were aware of where your friends were going. If you wanted to align and didn't want collision avoidance to stop the alignment, or if you were crashing the gate and didn't want hostile ships to stop you from reaching the gate. If you were a fleet of cheap T1 frigates running into a larger, more expensive target in order to take it out fast. I am sure that there are a great many more reasons to fly with collision avoidance off.

Turning collision avoidance off would destroy every ship in a fleet the second they tried to move. Why would anyone do that?

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I like the idea of a ramming module that drains the shield. Collisions only do damage while it's cycle is on and it works as the trigger for agression flagging. Damage is calculated based on speed and mass of the charging ship and since there's a module exclusive for that the agressor takes less damage than the victim (or maybe only the module is damaged). The amount of damage taken and inflicted also depends on the module variation.
This is not exactly a Collision Damage mechanic but it could be cool anyway. Maybe I'll rewrite it in a new thread later.

Let's say everyone aligned to the same planet after they exit warp and they set their speed to 100 m/s. Do you see any collisions by those actions? Now let's say that the fleet warps their wings in individually and to different spots on the grid. Do you see even more room for moving without friendly collisions? I do.

You still don't know how warping works in EVE, Andy. How terrible.

Why do we need to completely disallow bumping in highsec, exactly?

I do not support a ramming module because I think that collision damage should be applied the same way to all ships based on mass and velocity. I do think that MWD should be unable to collide given that the module puts the ship into a micro warp which is somewhat separated from normal space by using warped space.

The point here should not be to invent a new way to apply damage with a new module with new bonuses, new lore, etc, but to simply allow an existing mechanic to calculate damages in line with the laws of physics regarding the Conservation of Energy: KE1 = KE2

You still don't know how warping works in EVE, Andy. How terrible.

Why do we need to completely disallow bumping in highsec, exactly?

So why would anyone ever turn the magic collisions don't hurt button off?

Either running into something should hurt or it shouldn't. Whichever it is, it should work the same everywhere in space.

Was wondering the same tbh. What problem are you anti bumping crew, trying to solve here?

In a word, "damage." Damage brings implications of Concording.

In a word, "damage." Damage brings implications of Concording. Added: And to be clear, I am not suggesting that we disallow bumping in high sec, only that we require that, while in high sec, all ships in high sec to have their collision avoidance systems on. It will prevent a lot of bumping and minimize the damages. Any bumping damages will be assumed to be unavoidable consequences of an imperfect collision avoidance system and will have no Concording consequences. Deactivating the system while in high sec would be considered an exploit.


I thought I already explained the answer to your question. When alignment is more important that taking damage from a collision, or stopping an alignment is more important, then outside of high sec, the player may desire to turn off the button.

The button is NOT magic either. If another ship does not have the button on, then there is only so much that collision avoidance can do to avoid the collision, depending on the capabilities of the ship.

I agree with you that a collision should always hurt, whether in high sec all the way through to null. But if it is on, collision avoidance systems can always do their best to avoid it anywhere, even if their best is not good enough.

I also believe that damage should follow the physics equation for kinetic energy: KE= 0.5 * m * v^2 where "v" is really delta v or the change in velocity.

But when the ship is in micro warp (with the MWD activated), I think that collisions should be impossible because the ship is in warped space.

In Andy's case, keeping future Bustards from being blown up.

As for the rest, IDK...maybe they all fly epithals and do PI in low sec.

So why precisely do we need bumping to cause damage? What problem will this fix?

Then no more targeting with our MWD on, or being targeted.

Let's say everyone aligned to the same planet after they exit warp and they set their speed to 100 m/s. Do you see any collisions by those actions? Now let's say that the fleet warps their wings in individually and to different spots on the grid. Do you see even more room for moving without friendly collisions? I do.

Everyone has a ship loss story, Teckos. Wasn't it you who advocated so strongly to avoid ad hominem attacks on your AFK cloaky thread? It is good advice to follow. Stick with the issues.

Maybe. Still, collisions and targeting are two entirely different mechanics. The ship way be in warped space, but he is still on grid and in control of his flight path, so targeting during MWD seems just fine to me.

But hey, if CCP goes for no targeting too, then at least ships in micro warp are treated more like they are in warped space. That change might impact interceptors fairly harshly unless the MWD bonus was changed to increase in AB speed; which would be really nice for interceptors maintaining very low sig. For now, perhaps we can agree to consider the locking and collision mechanics separate for now.

Lets say a fight is happening, and the fleet has their anchor at range. The anchor is moving, the fleet moves to stay with him, bumps into one another, and dies.

The fleet warps to a gate at zero. The fleet now slams into one another and the gate, and dies.

The fleet warps to a perch. The fleet slam into one another and die.

The fleet mass undocks from, a station, slams into one another and dies.

The cap fleet all jump to the same cyno, slam into one another and die.


Do I have to continue?

So why precisely do we need bumping to cause damage? What problem will this fix?