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Katherine Dune
Legion Of Patriots
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.12.18 07:19:00 -
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hey guys
I recently started heading away from missiles/caldari and towards gunnery/gallente and i really want a thorax. i have most of the mastery's and alot of suggested support gunnery and armor skills that my friends helped me with
From what the Tech II Fits that ive seen, i can fit most of the tech one gear
So im wondering if anyone has a Tech One specific build with meta level 4 gear that can help me get through level 2/3 missions in high sec with as much ease as possible |
Katherine Dune
Legion Of Patriots
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.12.18 07:32:00 -
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sorry accidental double post |
Evren Toralen
Legacy Industrial Corporation
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Posted - 2013.12.18 08:51:00 -
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battleclinic is your new friend :)
Not only are there builds but explanations and critics on the builds so you can get the best out of your ship for the situation you are in
Example: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/60685-PvE-tech-2-Thorax.html |
Katherine Dune
Legion Of Patriots
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.12.18 08:53:00 -
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i checked battleclinic first, and thats why i came here, 99% of builds are tech 2 and not having tech 2 skills trained. im not sure how to fit or how to compensate and build up a semi decent / level 3 mission capable tech one battlecruiser
So that i can increase my ISK gain from missions until the brutix/tech 2 armor tanking |
Evren Toralen
Legacy Industrial Corporation
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Posted - 2013.12.18 10:09:00 -
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Katherine Dune wrote:i checked battleclinic first, and thats why i came here, 99% of builds are tech 2 and not having tech 2 skills trained. im not sure how to fit or how to compensate and build up a semi decent / level 3 mission capable tech one battlecruiser
So that i can increase my ISK gain from missions until the brutix/tech 2 armor tanking
All I can suggest further is to use eve survival to look at the mission offered, this will tell you triggers and ship composition as well as required specific hardeners you will need. You can also decline a mission every 4 hours if it is one that looks too much.
Im not sure (someone correct me if I am wrong) but the Thorax may struggle regardless. Have you looked at a low skill Brutix if isk isnt the problem, shouldnt take long
Example build:
[Brutix, Brutix lvl3 mission]
Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I
Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I
Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I |
erg cz
Sliperer
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Posted - 2013.12.18 11:58:00 -
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Here is an eaxmple of cheap Thorax fit fo L2 missions. You should T2 your tank ASAP to be able to do at least some L3 missions.
[Thorax, Thorax: Mission runner]
Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Magnetic Vortex Stabilizer I
Magnetic Vortex Stabilizer I
Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I
Eutectic Capacitor Charge Array
Eutectic Capacitor Charge Array
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Optical Tracking Computer I
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/66140-Thorax-Mission-runner.html#ixzz2npKCkPZV
Do not forget, that Vexor is a Gallente PVE platform, not Thorax. But you will need serios dron skills to get maximum out of it. Check this before you will try any L3 mission in your ship. |
Kerrec Snowmane
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.18 16:57:00 -
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I'm a 2 million SP rookie with my skills spread out across combat, industrial (perfect refine) and exploration.
I currently run Lvl 3 Gallente security missions with my shield tank non tech 2 fit Thorax. Most of my core skills are level 3, some at 4. Crusier at level 3. Many of the missions are not hard at all. I kite at around 35km, using 250mm rail guns (prototype?) with Lead M ammo (one turret is take up by a salvager). I carry Antimatter M ammo for battleships, which I orbit up close. My core drone skills suck, I only trained far enough to use 4 scout drones.
Some missions are harder, requiring more time and the occasional warp to regen shields and cap. But I have never avoided any mission as long as it doesn't damage empire faction and never failed.
Some of these responses make me wonder. I don't know what you're afraid of. I lost ONE Thorax because I triggered the entire room right at the beginning in a mission with a named in it. I still managed to get back and finish it with a new shiny Thorax, fit the exact same way.
The Thorax is plenty capable of doing Lvl 3's, even fit by someone with poor skills.
If I remember, I'll come back and edit in my fit. |
Frank Millar
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:48:00 -
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Meta 4 modules should work fine, and they're easier on the fitting (CPU and Grid). Could be a little more expensive in some cases, though.
For missions and their pitfalls, look at: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports
Level 3 missions are a step up from level 2 missions, and some could get pretty hairy for newbies not knowing what to expect.
Read the descriptions in the link above, fit the right resists for the mission rats, don't aggro the entire room if you can help it, and don't sit still. Movement, any movement, makes you a less easy target and helps reducing incoming damage. |
Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:59:00 -
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I would not run level 3s in a Thorax, it can be done but it will take a long time especially if your support skills are not up to par. Upgrade to Brutix for level 3s. Properly skill into your thorax first and brutix will be a good natural progression. You should also work on your drone skills as myrmidon and dominix are great mission running ships. It is more fun to run level 3s in a brutix but myrmidon is faster in most cases.
Work on your tech 2 tank first, then on to tech 2 guns and drones. As you learn to mission you will be able to remove tank and add more damage mods.
Get EFT or PYFA and learn to make your own fits. Your understanding of fitting ships will grow much quicker with these tools.
Load up erg cz's fit, that is a good place to start. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:07:00 -
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A Thorax is too large to effectively speed tank an L3, but a tech 1 active tank with low skills is not going to hold up to some of the more dangerous L3s.
So you will struggle somewhat.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
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Katherine Dune
Legion Of Patriots
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.12.19 04:18:00 -
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thanks for all the advice, i went with the brutix Mission tech one build and i absolutely love it. thankyou |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2013.12.19 05:57:00 -
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Now train into tech 2 tanking modules. If you can fit a Damage Control II, a Medium Armor Repairer II, an Armor Thermic Hardener II and an Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II, you are well placed for PVE in Gallente ships smaller than battleships.
Tech 2 weapons, while great, can wait for now.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
erg cz
Sliperer
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Posted - 2013.12.19 09:13:00 -
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Kerrec Snowmane wrote:
Some missions are harder, requiring more time and the occasional warp to regen shields and cap. But I have never avoided any mission as long as it doesn't damage empire faction and never failed.
It is not about not being able to run mission. It is about being able to run missions quickly. If it takes you hours to finish one L# mission, you probably get more ISK and fun finishing 4-5 L2 instead.
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Kerrec Snowmane
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.19 13:55:00 -
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erg cz wrote:Kerrec Snowmane wrote:
Some missions are harder, requiring more time and the occasional warp to regen shields and cap. But I have never avoided any mission as long as it doesn't damage empire faction and never failed.
It is not about not being able to run mission. It is about being able to run missions quickly. If it takes you hours to finish one L# mission, you probably get more ISK and fun finishing 4-5 L2 instead.
The OP said she really liked the Thorax and wanted to do Level 3's. Many people replied saying the Thorax couldn't handle it. That is bad advice. I have grinded my way up to perfect refining doing level 3's in my Thorax and only lost ONE, because I wasn't paying attention to what I was targeting.
Someone above said a Thorax is too slow to speed tank. Bad advice again. I have a passive shield tank fit Thorax, nothing Tech 2 and most of my core skills are at 3, a few at 4. I do level 3's by speed tanking, no problem.
EDIT: As a noob, I may have misunderstood what was meant by speed tanking. I kite, keeping my speed up to lower missile damage, hence why I think of it as "speed tanking". If the intent of the above is to orbit up close and stay under guns, then yeah, Thorax probably isn't a good choice. And I'm not even sure about that. I always kite frigates, dessies and other cruisers. However, I do "speed tank" battleships.
Sure, it may take more time to finish a L3 using a Thorax instead of some of the other suggested ships, but there's no way it takes me hours (let alone ONE hour) to finish a mission. If I only pop rats and loot, it would take 20-40 minutes, depending on difficulty. So yes, a Thorax can probably make more ISK/hour by doing Level 2's more often, but I do not agree that would be more fun. Running missions with no risk is GRINDING, not fun.
OP was convinced to go with a Brutix, because it will grind ISK/hour better than a Thorax. I hope the OP made that decision because it's what the OP wanted, not because the OP was convinced by others that's what the OP should do. |
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