Given their hiring of mercenaries, there will at least be a fight by proxy.

So the woman who once made sex holoreels for fun and profit is accusing PIE of evil-doing and heresy?

Not that I have any love for PIE and their ossified leadership but, wow. This seems like the very definition of hypocrisy.

So their dec is just posturing and grandstanding?

Given their hiring of mercenaries, there will at least be a fight by proxy.

Please post battle reports - if your side actually decides to "capsule up" and undock.

Doctrine wars.........

They sure don't make em like the old Wolfsbrigade / Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive war anymore that's for sure.

So the woman who once made sex holoreels for fun and profit is accusing PIE of evil-doing and heresy?

Not that I have any love for PIE and their ossified leadership but, wow. This seems like the very definition of hypocrisy.

- I mean, I haven't. But I've heard of people who have. Like -

Dude, are you sure you didn't play the kitchen drone repair guy in Who Wants to Ball a Millionaire?

Naaa, it was Amarr Amore 3: Slave Satisfaction. I'm sure of it.

IGS bullying is a crime!

So the woman who once made sex holoreels for fun and profit is accusing PIE of evil-doing and heresy?

Not that I have any love for PIE and their ossified leadership but, wow. This seems like the very definition of hypocrisy.

To Whom it May Concern,

as a result of the hostilities expressed by the leadership of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris [PIE] towards the direction of Her Grace The Duchess, Ishtirak d'Hanguest [ISHTI], which acts as the capsuleer branch of the Duchy of Palas, has declared war on the aforementioned alliance to protect and honour the dignity of Her Grace The Duchess, and all His MajestyGÇÖs subjects, and to punish the crime of heresy and l+¿se-majest+¬.

As judged requisite by Her Grace The Duchess, all commanders of the Ducal Palasian Squadron [DPS], its attached mercenary forces, and all captains of civilian vessels are authorised and instructed to subdue, seize and take any armed vessel of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris which shall be found within the jurisdictional limits of the Duchy of Palas, or elsewhere.

Yours sincerely,
Morijah dGÇÖHanguest
Ducal Chancellor

...takes umbrage at Amarrians taking umbrage, by all accounts hires a corp apparently largely populated by minmatar brigands and sani sabuk to wardec us, and we are the heretics? Perhaps that is a poor choice of words on your part?

Any battle reports yet?

Elkoth,

it is hilarious that some idiot appointed you diplomat! But does it matter as long as your pilots are dying? [Just open the GÇ£War ReportGÇ¥ tab in your NeoCom and you will find an up to date list of casualties, X Gallentius.]

It is known to be one of your favourite pastimes to post links and make unfounded claims, but you can rest assured that we chose every word deliberately. Your alliance which harshly rejected any arbitration attempts just a few weeks ago, now expresses the disposition to meet at the negotiation table. Maybe a little more beating and you will beg to be knighted by Her Grace?

Yours sincerely,
Morijah dGÇÖHanguest
Ducal Chancellor

Ah yes I must be an idiot, since I was not aware refusing to enter into arbitration was grounds for heresy.

Sister Strife resigned from the mercenary organization prior to their current contract; there's no Sabik in that group so far as I know at least.

And stop calling Odeyla a Heretic, we don't want her.





Yes, a few destroyed PIE vessels.

And stop calling Odeyla a Heretic, we don't want her.

Elkoth,
...

Your alliance which harshly rejected any arbitration attempts just a few weeks ago, now expresses the disposition to meet at the negotiation table.

Don't forget the combat anecdotes as well. Those are fun to read, as long as they're decent and concise.



That's funny, I thought Sani Sabik considered True Faith Amarrians heretics.
Or has it become some kind of an angsty status symbol these days?

I guess it's our company you crave?

I miss a few of you a great deal, actually.


My affections might take a different form but I do love all of you.

The point of reference matters.

Much like I imagine PIE would not consider it accurate if I were to call Odeyla an Imperial Loyalist .

[quote=Zelarrs Elkoth]
Ah yes I must be an idiot, since I was not aware refusing to enter into arbitration was grounds for heresy.

So the heretic is offended at being called a heretic and in response, hires heretics to fight a war against true loyalists.
At least that clears up any doubt of the heretic being insane.

By the way, I must commend your gall to simultaneously fault me for posting supporting links and accuse me of making unfounded claims -- in the same sentence, no less.

You may note, I didn't call Odelya a heretic. She is calling us heretics.

Now that one of the d'Hanguest sisters has put her head above the metaphorical parapet, I have a question. It's quite a simple one, so I imagine there will be no problem in getting an answer.

What do you hope to gain by these acts of aggression?

I mean, you're not going to destroy us. You're not going to improve our view of you. You're not going to convert us to your opinions.

As far as I can see, the most that you'll achieve is to distract PIE from its work in the war with the Shakorite regime and sow division in the ranks of the 24th IC. Is that what you want?

Profound question, Rodj. Why donGÇÖt we have some cake with Samira Kernher and discuss it? [But a little hint for now: Not everything I do I do for a GÇ£gainGÇ¥, some things are justified and need to be done. Do you fight for a gain? Or because the Lord commanded you to fight?]

Kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest

Profound question, Rodj. Why donGÇÖt we have some cake with Samira Kernher and discuss it? [

Aah, as I thought, a complete refusal to answer.

Let me rephrase the question then, to make things easier for you: what do you hope to achieve by your acts of aggression?

Aah, as I thought, a complete refusal to real dialogue...

Let me rephrase the answer then, to make things easier for you, and see if you are just looking for some cheap exploits or are really interested in a conversation: Why donGÇÖt we meet and discuss it? You might also bring the little dove, to make things look a bit less ossified.

And another hint: If a nervous clique of fossilised reptiles and an inept leadership continues to offend you, do you just sit back and talk? Oh, wait... Yes, that is exactly what you would do... But tell me: If you canGÇÖt even take the challenge of fighting a war which is brought to your doorsteps, how can you even talk about bringing stability and order to the Empire and defeat to the Shakorites?

I'm under the impression that this'd be heresy.
They are, after all, members of pie, you tart.

I see what you did there and I cannot stop laughing.

Disciplinary action for you must be a piece of cake to implement eh?

If you post the picture of Dam-Torsad and say that it is not the capital of the Empire, you are still making an unfounded claim despite the picture. You might have forgotten that the thread you posted actually involved an argument, but since you donGÇÖt seem to read and/or understand what you are posting, I can understand what you deem GÇ£supporting.GÇ¥

You may note that your Lord Admiral Lok'ri put our name on a list of heretics.

Profound question, Rodj. Why donGÇÖt we have some cake with Samira Kernher and discuss it?

You might also bring the little dove, to make things look a bit less ossified.

Yeah. I don't know about you, but ice scream when Odelya tries to brag like this. Why can't she just act instead of this having this ego fueling parfait?

Tell me: If you canGÇÖt even take the challenge of fighting a war which is brought to your doorsteps, how can you even talk about bringing stability and order to the Empire and defeat to the Shakorites?

I've noticed that those who are culturally Amarrian and Gallente tend to have some 'pushback' when they try to assimilate the concept of 'Just Business'. I suspect this may be due to having an over-arching plank of some sort that helps them assess the rectitude of their every action. Faith in the case of the Amarr and a Cause in the case of the Gallente.

As a good Caldari, I've never had an issue socialising with someone that I'm nominally in combat with, because duty is separate from personal feelings. Of course when you do engage Caldari on personal ground, they're every bit as emotional as the next person but, for us, the fact that shooting is involved doesn't necessarily make it personal.

I also have friends in both organisations. I'm coping with this by staying out of the middle.

Wait how is it a shame for me Baracca?

I understand that to you, this war is a momentous occasion. You think you are defending your honour, after all.
You searched for someone who will bring your wrath and vengeance to those who have outed you as a disgrace to your ancestors. You found a band of warriors who would take your plight to the stars and inflict righteous fury upon those who you deem unworthy. You (well, someone else) have declared war upon the mighty and stubborn PIE Inc. Watch as you (well someone else) bring this institution to its knees!
To us, it was a Tuesday.

We have a job to do, and the Stormcrows are an inconvenience. We receive more resistance from Shakor's terrorists than your hired sword.

We don't have to fight this war at all.

I always thought you would be somewhat annoyed that you have to tell people you dislike them here rather than somewhere in questionable space with weapons.

I understand that to you, this war is a momentous occasion. You think you are defending your honour, after all.
You searched for someone who will bring your wrath and vengeance to those who have outed you as a disgrace to your ancestors. You found a band of warriors who would take your plight to the stars and inflict righteous fury upon those who you deem unworthy. You (well, someone else) have declared war upon the mighty and stubborn PIE Inc. Watch as you (well someone else) bring this institution to its knees!
To us, it was a Tuesday.

We have a job to do, and the Stormcrows are an inconvenience. We receive more resistance from Shakor's terrorists than your hired sword.

We don't have to fight this war at all.

You know, Ascentior, when you accept that a certain countess, who is known for her bad taste in art and interest in political intrigue, to pretend interest in moderating arbitration, and then can not even wait an hour to properly rephrase the information you think she has extracted from us, we have reason to believe you are acting in a nervous fashion. And below your own standards.

Almost every of your posts here is a ritualistic display of GÇ£We donGÇÖt care.GÇ¥ What does that tell us about what you really think?

Kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest

So, for all the posturing, I've noticed a decided lack of any input from the mercenary unit in question... Which makes me wonder, has there been any contact? And if so, who came out on top?

So, for all the posturing, I've noticed a decided lack of any input from the mercenary unit in question... Which makes me wonder, has there been any contact? And if so, who came out on top?

Essentially, I think Stormcrows are annoying PIE while PIE go about their business, so this is something of a one-sided conflict. I don't think PIE is suddenly going to turn around and forget their primary job. They don't really have a choice; they're one of the few elements that sticks around in the war zone without getting bored and leaving, so they're probably a bit too busy to turn around and set up a back-alley rumble with the Stormcrows to decide things.

I'm assuming the Crows will probably drop in during fights and help the Republican forces out a bit, but I doubt highly that a professional mercenary organization which was hired primarily to do damage to PIE's operational abilities is going to set up a time and a place for PIE to bring the biggest weapons they have around. The Stormcrows are not stupid and know how to leverage their weight most effectively.

I'll assume PIE will be frequently ambushed, but isn't really going to stop working. I'd say the question is centered more around the contract Odelya paid for their services. 111 million isn't a lot even for an I.N.D. cleric like myself, and I'll assume that as a decent mercenary organization, the Stormcrows' services do not come cheap. Especially in lowsec, where the Crows may have other issues to deal with (though I suppose that they aren't likely to be bearing a racial flag, so they can avoid some of the factional squabbling PIE does have to deal with).

Either way, I would assume that Odelya will run out of personal funds to pay for them long before PIE runs out of money to replace their losses. In the end, that may be where this war is really fought. It's just a battle of purse-strings.

Sensible as always, mister Baracca. I'm mostly curious at this point.

I wish I could help more. I try to avoid this sort of thing, so I don't know specifics like how much it costs to man and operate PIE nor how much it costs to hire the Stormcrows. I'm sorry I couldn't be of more specific help.

Dutchess,
I was inclined to agree and advocate on your behalf on some of your points of contention. I do agree that Imperial organizations should not meddle in internal Khanid affairs. Nor should Imperial citizens feel it is their right to determine the veracity of Khanid titles.
That said, the recourse was not to hire mercenaries.

Since you have made unfounded accusations regarding my motives, I will bow out and leave you and PIE to your own devices and simply pray for an outbreak of sanity.

they're one of the few elements that sticks around in the war zone without getting bored and leaving.

Well, if we needed any proof that we were absolutely right about Odelya's lack of character we now have it.

Since this is all out in public, would one of the chief participants or antagonists mind clearly explaining what the Casus Belli for this was?

What is the conflict over? Spilled tea? Improper bowing and gesticulating to the proper degree and direction? Using a picture of Jamyl as a hankerchief?

Or are there actual philosophical differences at play? Or merely retribution for some insults?

Since this is all out in public, would one of the chief participants or antagonists mind clearly explaining what the Casus Belli for this was?

What is the conflict over? Spilled tea? Improper bowing and gesticulating to the proper degree and direction? Using a picture of Jamyl as a hankerchief?

Or are there actual philosophical differences at play? Or merely retribution for some insults?

Since this is all out in public, would one of the chief participants or antagonists mind clearly explaining what the Casus Belli for this was?

What is the conflict over? Spilled tea? Improper bowing and gesticulating to the proper degree and direction? Using a picture of Jamyl as a hankerchief?

Or are there actual philosophical differences at play? Or merely retribution for some insults?

We deemed it necessary to declare war for the following reasons:

1.) Despite the lack of jurisdiction and competence Lord Admiral LokGÇÖri has accused Her Grace of heresy. While this would not concern us, since the institutions which usurp jurisdiction in the Empire do not exist in the Kingdom, we consider it to be an unprovoked attack by a supposedly allied (albeit schismatic) entity.

(The opinions expressed by Her Grace are not only always standing within the legitimate spectrum of the Khanid Orthodox Church, which remains independent from the churches of Amarr and is the true and complete continuation and preservation of that very church that Dano Gheinok founded, but are a shining example of clarity of thought and theological insight.)

2.) The lack of fulfilling the requirements to address Her Grace according to protocol and custom as established by the Book of Records under the entry of GÇ£Odelya of House dGÇÖHanguest, Duchess of PalasGÇ¥ (and with the addition of GÇ£HyperprotopansebastokratorissaGÇ¥ and GÇ£Porphyrogenita.GÇ¥)

3.) A certain feeling of general disgust towards sycophancy, biased sophistry, arrogance, incompetence, the tendency to corrupt the innocent, shameless hypocrisy, and double-standards.

4.) Attempts of peaceful arbitration were made, but failed due to the unwillingness of PIE to open discussion: Not only is this war a war of self-defence against a guilty enemy, but all other means of putting an end to it have shown to be impractical.

Yours sincerely,
Morijah dGÇÖHanguest
Ducal Chancellor

So basically she had a ***** fit and couldn't stomp hard enough to get her side to do anything, so she used money to get someone to kick over a sand castle.

We deemed it necessary to declare war for the following reasons:

1.) Despite the lack of jurisdiction and competence Lord Admiral LokGÇÖri has accused Her Grace of heresy. While this would not concern us, since the institutions which usurp jurisdiction in the Empire do not exist in the Kingdom, we consider it to be an unprovoked attack by a supposedly allied (albeit schismatic) entity.

(The opinions expressed by Her Grace are not only always standing within the legitimate spectrum of the Khanid Orthodox Church, which remains independent from the churches of Amarr and is the true and complete continuation and preservation of that very church that Dano Gheinok founded, but are a shining example of clarity of thought and theological insight.)

2.) The lack of fulfilling the requirements to address Her Grace according to protocol and custom as established by the Book of Records under the entry of GÇ£Odelya of House dGÇÖHanguest, Duchess of PalasGÇ¥ (and with the addition of GÇ£HyperprotopansebastokratorissaGÇ¥ and GÇ£Porphyrogenita.GÇ¥)

3.) A certain feeling of general disgust towards sycophancy, biased sophistry, arrogance, incompetence, the tendency to corrupt the innocent, shameless hypocrisy, and double-standards.

4.) Attempts of peaceful arbitration were made, but failed due to the unwillingness of PIE to open discussion: Not only is this war a war of self-defence against a guilty enemy, but all other means of putting an end to it have shown to be impractical.

2.) The lack of fulfilling the requirements to address Her Grace according to protocol and custom as established by the Book of Records under the entry of GÇ£Odelya of House dGÇÖHanguest, Duchess of PalasGÇ¥ (and with the addition of GÇ£HyperprotopansebastokratorissaGÇ¥ and GÇ£Porphyrogenita.GÇ¥)

I don't know, Vitalia.

Stormcrows are doing their silent bloodwork rather well, rather than posting. It's showing a fairly one sided 125:0 war report right now.

I don't know, Vitalia.

Stormcrows are doing their silent bloodwork rather well, rather than posting. It's showing a fairly one sided 125:0 war report right now.

1.) Despite the lack of jurisdiction and competence Lord Admiral LokGÇÖri has accused Her Grace of heresy. While this would not concern us, since the institutions which usurp jurisdiction in the Empire do not exist in the Kingdom, we consider it to be an unprovoked attack by a supposedly allied (albeit schismatic) entity.

Didn't these sorts of things used to be settled when a noble would throw a glove down on a table and we would have a trial by combat? Suddenly, after years of wondering about the barbarism of that system, suddenly I see why it was so necessary. Now, instead of two people fighting hopefully not to the death, Amarrian crewmen are dying to a mercenary force.

Why don't you both just take a battleship apiece and a form master to a spot of space and fight until one of you has taken the hull integrity of the other down to 50%? Crew losses would be minimal, it would only take one member of PIE out of the fight for the duration, nobody would have to pay any mercenaries.

It seems rather simple.

It is not the same as usurping the authority to declare someone a Heretic for all of the orthodoxy. I am surprised so many people, even good Amarrians, are confused on this subject.

This should be given much more attention than it sadly will get.

EVERYONE AND I MEAN EVERYONE should hold off on the 'your a heretic!' accusations.

Before going off onto a accusation of heresy ask yourself this:

Who has appointed you to speak on behalf of God when deciding who is and who isn't?

Didn't these sorts of things used to be settled when a noble would throw a glove down on a table and we would have a trial by combat? Suddenly, after years of wondering about the barbarism of that system, suddenly I see why it was so necessary. Now, instead of two people fighting hopefully not to the death, Amarrian crewmen are dying to a mercenary force.

Why don't you both just take a battleship apiece and a form master to a spot of space and fight until one of you has taken the hull integrity of the other down to 50%? Crew losses would be minimal, it would only take one member of PIE out of the fight for the duration, nobody would have to pay any mercenaries.

It seems rather simple.

Since you're keen to check the numbers, perhaps you could provide some context by comparing our losses to Stormcrows with the far greater value of both our victories against and losses to our primary focus: the Shakorites.

Also, how does the value of our losses compare to the expense of bankrolling this futile war against us?

Why ever would we give this pathetic failure of a Holder who has dishonored the legacy of her family in every single way possible such respect?

I'm not sure what the price is of the job. Most mercenary outfits charge a significantly higher price. I do believe we paid Stormcrows closer to a billion for the job we hired them on some time ago.

I'm not surprised that a vast majority of your efforts are directed at Shakorites, with a significantly higher efficiency. This month alone, Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris has registered well over eight billion ISK in kills, compared to little over a quarter that in losses. At 80% efficiency, that is impressive.

Your tolerance for a person who has insulted every single aspect of Amarrian government and swears allegiance to a creed that the Empire has declared heretical is far too high, Lady Savonarola.

I should note that PIE has not declared Odelya a heretic. Odelya has declared herself a heretic through her spouting of the Tetrimon Heresy and her declaration that the Theology Council was treasonous. We merely pointed out that she was a proponent of a set of beliefs that the Empire had declared to be heresy.

That she would hire mercenaries rather than apologize for her many insults to the Empire just puts a nice period on the self-condemnation that we have seen from her in the last few months.

I tolerate her because there are larger forces at work. When the Kingdom is reunited with the Empire, then will be the time to redress any grievances with the duchess.

On that subject (and since being anywhere near the warzone would jeopardize my position despite my curiosity), what sort of outfits in the conflicts zones have efficiency ratings that high that you're aware of? I'm just wondering so that I can show due deference to them on the subject.

Consider the following outfits and their efficiency for December.

Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive - 69%
Pyre Falcon Defense Combine - 77%
Electus Matari - 74%
Villore Accords - 82%

The point is that PIE is doing well, despite the Stormcrows. This, in turn, means that both outfits are doing well. They are causing far more losses than they sustain.

It's just statistics at the end of the day, and probably doesn't mean much. I mean, you could probably do, "kills per member" and get:

Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive - 0.89
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine - 34.89
Electus Matari - 3.06
Villore Accords - 9.14

Which alludes to about the same as efficiency, which is not much at all, since it's easy to massage statistics one way or another and claim a, "Technical victory."

Well, one can extrapolate from that information a bit more nuanced idea of the total situation. In Pyre Falcon's case, for example, the high kill count per member, coupled with the slightly lower efficiency per destruction to cost, might mean that Pyre Falcon may suffer slightly higher proportional losses simply because its members are much more aggressive. Another explanation is that you may simply use more effective, but more expensive, equipment.

I'm sure someone keeps track of all the myriad statistics somewhere. It was just interesting to think about.

Well, one can extrapolate from that information a bit more nuanced idea of the total situation. In Pyre Falcon's case, for example, the high kill count per member, coupled with the slightly lower efficiency per destruction to cost, might mean that Pyre Falcon may suffer slightly higher proportional losses simply because its members are much more aggressive. Another explanation is that you may simply use more effective, but more expensive, equipment.

I'm sure someone keeps track of all the myriad statistics somewhere. It was just interesting to think about.

Number of times committing heresy, PIE Inc. 0

Well, one can extrapolate from that information a bit more nuanced idea of the total situation. In Pyre Falcon's case, for example, the high kill count per member, coupled with the slightly lower efficiency per destruction to cost, might mean that Pyre Falcon may suffer slightly higher proportional losses simply because its members are much more aggressive. Another explanation is that you may simply use more effective, but more expensive, equipment.

I'm sure someone keeps track of all the myriad statistics somewhere. It was just interesting to think about.

Some remember perfectly well.

Also, if you have logs to share, lady Vitalia, may I ask to read them .

The IGS has so few cases of IGS regulars actually shooting at each other these years that this has perhaps drawn more attention than warranted.

PIE are very clearly able to handle themselves and definately do not need the likes of me helping them but I'll tell the Stormcrows this. Shoot at the few guys from PIE that fly with me and I'll melt down your ships, with you in it and use it as the metal for my next station decoration.

Please feel free to test me on this.

Arguably it doesn't matter who fires at my fleet mates, they'd get the same response but outspoken rhetoric is all the rage these days right?

I'm certain the Crows will treat anyone fleeted, or part of the Amarr Militia, as hostile, in any case.

so that there is no difference anymore between the schismatics of PIE and the GÇ£Tribal Liberation Force.GÇ¥

You can end the war at any time. We simply don't care enough to accommodate you in any way.

The Crows are not enemies of the Amarr Militia. They were hired against PIE, not the 24th Imperial Crusade.

schismatic Praetorians have insulted the Kingdom and us repeatedly

You too can end this. And you know what to do. We will open fire on your pilots as long as they are not fighting a common enemy. Business as usual and nothing more to talk about. Maybe our only mistake was to care for your opinion. This has been adjusted.

Kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest

Huh. Must be too confusing to this poor Ni-Kunni trying to follow along this discombulated thread but how exactly do you mean that PIE "too can end this"? The war dec isn't mutual. It's your chump change being poured down the furrier hole, not theirs.

What's the proposal that was rejected?

Basically that we agree to disagree regarding Odelya's slanderous insults to the Empress, Theology Council, and Empire.

This was rejected for two reasons:

First, PIE will *never* agree to disagree on the topics at hand. Slander against the Empress and Empire must be met with resistance.

Second, PIE will never reward a slanderous fool for attempting to use violence to legitimize slander against the Empire.

While we are not going to waste our time responding to the nonsense PIE spreads here like a prostitute does herpes, we would like to clarify that our positions towards the treasonous GÇ£Theology CouncilGÇ¥ stand. The current substance of the Empire is one of rottenness, decay, usurpation, corruption and heresy. While this might serve as a matter of fruitful discussions, the schismatic Praetorians have insulted the Kingdom and us repeatedly and discountenanced every serious arbitration attempt, so that there is no difference anymore between the schismatics of PIE and the GÇ£Tribal Liberation Force.GÇ¥

Kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest

Basically that we agree to disagree regarding Odelya's slanderous insults to the Empress, Theology Council, and Empire.

This was rejected for two reasons:

First, PIE will *never* agree to disagree on the topics at hand. Slander against the Empress and Empire must be met with resistance.

Second, PIE will never reward a slanderous fool for attempting to use violence to legitimize slander against the Empire.

so she is just throwing a tantrum now because she can't spew nonsense uncontested on a public platform?

Spot on!

Sounds like an excessive waste of corporate assets..... I wish I could afford to wardec other corporations at a whim.

She didn't. She hired someone else to do the war part. At least I am assuming she isn't flying into the war declaration zone and personally attacking PIE. I haven't heard anything of the sort, at least.

I think that would have been bigger news.

Still, it would be nice to be able to afford to do that. Just go and say " Darn PIE sitting on my windowsill again. Here's a billion, crows, go eat them for me." *sigh*

She didn't. She hired someone else to do the war part. At least I am assuming she isn't flying into the war declaration zone and personally attacking PIE. I haven't heard anything of the sort, at least.

I think that would have been bigger news.

She attacked me the other day after I said she could share a plex with me. I had no intent on harming her.

As you can see, the manner in which the resources of any piece of territory in Amarrian space are best utilized is often left at the sole discretion of the Holder. She feels that money is best allocated to annoying PIE.

Actually she initially wanted us to affirm* the claim, but quickly accepted that PIE was not an entity that had the right to affirm or deny such a thing. [...]

PPS - * Odelya has vehemently objected to my characterization that she asked for her title to be affirmed. I've reviewed the transcript, and although her statement did strike me at the time as asking exactly that, and the exchange about whether or not PIE could affirm or deny the title did occur, her initial statement could just as easily be interpreted as requesting we address her with the proper titles and honorifics as she now maintains. In the interest of accuracy, I stipulate that I may have mistaken her intent.

PS - As a note: I would normally not disclose the terms of negotiations, but in this case the opposing party was making an issue of it.

She attacked me the other day after I said she could share a plex with me. I had no intent on harming her.

We were not making a huge deal of it, as It is potentially a diplomatic issue with her corp and alliance, who are valued allies. [...]

It is the pleasure of Her Grace to entertain a private mercenary force.

Hi Christine! They (crows) seem active between 20:00 and 23:00. So far it seems limited to Amarr though with a few losec stints.

How's Auga since you all took it back?

I'm certain the Crows will treat anyone fleeted, or part of the Amarr Militia, as hostile, in any case.

The Crows are not enemies of the Amarr Militia. They were hired against PIE, not the 24th Imperial Crusade.

To Whom it May Concern,

five points for clarification and elucidation:

...

To Whom it May Concern,

Since when the Khanid area is included in that proxy war ?

Firstly Khanid holds a seat on the Privy Council, and is therefore involved in the prosecution of the war

Secondly where do you think the Shakorite regime occupying Pator will turn its attentions to next should the Empire fail? Do you think those Minmatar slaves in the Kingdom are somehow not in the plans of the Shakorites?

Ah, but that is another question altogether.

The current state of politics of the Privy Council may point in that direction, but the Khanid Kingdom is still not formally involved in the war to my knowledge. We do not even know if they actually participate in any way, unless you have some privy info on the matter ?

To lady D'Hanguest :

I will try to say something that I am not accustomed to. You should have listened to what I told you, even if I may not be the best example.

There are other ways to weigh in Amarrian politics. You will not damage PIE Inc reputation by reacting like they are expecting you to do. You will do more damage by enduring and patiently collecting all the blunders they are used to do over the years. Their worst enemies are not their foes, but themselves.

Even the arch-separatist D'Hanguest fights in the war. You seem to be alone in holding the Khanid Kingdom as not having a dog in this fight.

unwanted advise

And yet, the Kingdom Navy does not participate in any way in the CEWPA theater, much like the Ammatar Fleet does not either. Only direct Amarrian forces are committed at the moment.

The Amarr Empire can protect the Khanid ally as much as it wants to, it is certainly not the Amarr Empire that protects the Khanid Kingdom at the moment, since :

1) I am pretty sure that King Khanid usually considers himself able to defend his own demesne alone, even if counting on the unwavering Amarr throne is probably appreciated. Yet the simple fact consisting to say that "the Amarr Empire protects the Khanid Kingdom" could have been considered rather insulting even recently.
2) The Khanid region is not included in the war zone, and thus, out of reach of any enemy invasion. The protection that is granted here is actually Yulai's protection.

The inhabitants of Palas are devoted to Her Grace and their support is overwhelming. Also the reaction Her Grace has received from other Khanid holders and the lesser nobility is overwhelmingly positive.

Have you hired Vaari as a speechwriter?

So, a couple of days and nine pages have passed, have someones jimmies been rustled. Have proper fights been brought, ops been disturbed and opinions been regretted or is this yet another slow simmering conflict of sorts.
Come on, advertise a wee bit. Ship's getting rearmed, I'm bored.

You would find the truth to Rin's statement on her death to Odelya as well. Rin is not the best pilot in the world but I am sure she knows that her executioner would never have stood a chance to the SOE frig that Odelya brought and would not have picked a fight. That's just my opinion, biased as it is for the one I love but logical if you think about it.

Her overview is fine. I set it up myself. It does not show fellow militia pilots on her fighting tab. She knew it was you but did not want to harm you. You wanted to harm her. If you are so intent on destroying Empire ships please do so under the Liberation forces flag. At least then it would be an accomplishment of sorts rather than betraying the trust of Empire pilots.

She didn't want to harm me! How heart-warming and affecting! She is a soldier and not a participant of a feel-at-ease-and-be-nice-class.

I honestly cannot fathom why two adults engaging in consensual sexual acts, even if there was a leaked holoreel, would be the cause for anything.

She didn't want to harm me! How heart-warming and affecting! She is a soldier and not a participant of a feel-at-ease-and-be-nice-class.

Well, everyone can look at the raw data and draw conclusions, but not every action shows up there, especially not pressure denying proper operations, so a more inside view would sate curiosity quite well.

You know what I find the most irritating in all this? The loudmouthed ***** patronizing an organization cause she hwasn't ******* spoken to properly.

I mean, what the actual ****? I was gonna keep quiet about this but no, **** it. I can't stand this loud mother uncredited bravado **** anymore. I'm ******* out of patience with it, and the 24muppets running from me and mine (yea i noticed you withdraw as soon as my crew is active).

Odelya. No one ******* cares. Put up or shut the **** up. Don't like what I'm saying? You seem tough enough to have PIE dec'd. Why not come shut me up you second rate **** star?

She didn't want to harm me! How heart-warming and affecting! She is a soldier and not a participant of a feel-at-ease-and-be-nice-class.

Is a real shame our old comrades let a sniveling wretch like you into the corp sullying the reputation of a whole alliance who has time and time again fought hard and with honour in defence of Amarr time and time again without needing to put up with backstabbing cowards like you.

As we have grown tired of this war, all false accusations, and rude, disgusting and despicable personal attacks towards us, we have decided to let it end tonight. We simply prefer not see your unimportant, vulgar visages for some time.

A happy new year 116 to all the righteous and true believers. Long live the King!

Kind regards from Khanid Prime,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest
Duchess of Palas and Lustrevik, Porphyrogennete, Hyperprotopansebaste

As we have grown tired of this war, all false accusations, and rude, disgusting and despicable personal attacks towards us, we have decided to let it end tonight. We simply prefer not see your unimportant, vulgar visages for some time.

A happy new year 116 to all the righteous and true believers. Long live the King!

Kind regards from Khanid Prime,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest
Duchess of Palas and Lustrevik, Porphyrogennete, Hyperprotopansebaste

******* coward.

I love it when all the slavers get together and cry in unison. Maybe I'll pay the 'Crows to keep the war alive since, you know, I'm one of the unwashed, ill-informed heathens with no honor to sully.

Matari Victor!

Unlike the feeder who decided to wardec PIE (from within the same Militia), you and your organisation have always stayed true to your beliefs. I may not agree with them, but I respect you for standing by them.

Don't destroy what little respect I have for you and your organisation.