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CONDIN
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Posted - 2006.03.08 21:38:00 -
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I very recently applied to there open recruitment on the recruiting channell. I spoke with a recruiter for a bit then was invited to join a public chanell with 15 or so other corp members. I was asked alot of questions and also got to ask questions. Finally i was asked to send a screen shot of my character and my character screen to a hotmail adress. NP I complied. I didnt feel overly comfortable about supplying my personal info but I made sure to askwhat wouldnt get me hired before i sent this info. I figured sure big corp seem professional. I knew that nothing on the sheet would disqualify me I had met all stated requirements.
After 3 days of not getting my app aproved I logged back into corp public to find out how long it takes and was told 1 to 2 days. I stated this was the 3d. A recruiter checked my app to see if iacepted and told me i wasnt acepted. Why was my question? Seems my employment hx was too long. Ok i complained a bit, 3 yrs playing sure, its a bit long but anyway my gripe is: seems there collecting a data base of people alts and sp's. Now asking for my personal info should have been the very last thing in the way to getting me onboard. My employment history was there from the biggining. Very unprofesional and i spoke my mind and didnt even recieve an appology. Be carefull seems they dont have enough sense to play professional and make this the last requirement and beside a short employment hx wasnt part of the stated qualifications. Bad Practice :P
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2006.03.08 22:18:00 -
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(1) Paragraphs are your friend. 
(2) You're a moron. Corps ask for screenshots of your character login screen to check your character is not an alt spy with the main on the same account (despite the fact most spies would probably use a 2nd account), what possible use would a corp have for the amount of SP and the alt characters someone has? The screenshot of your character's SP is most likely to check your telling the truth about how much SP you claimed to have, how else can they be sure?
(3) Going straight to the forums with this kind of crap and trying to flame a corporation probably reduced the chances of any half-decent corp ever excepting your character. 
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Intahnet Supahstah
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Posted - 2006.03.08 22:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Angelus X
(3) Going straight to the forums with this kind of crap and trying to flame a corporation probably reduced the chances of any half-decent corp ever excepting your character.
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CONDIN
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Posted - 2006.03.08 22:44:00 -
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I would exspect that from an alliance moron like yourself.
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CONDIN
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Posted - 2006.03.08 22:51:00 -
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Your such a hick Angelus. Im stating its not good practice to get personal info untill last thing to verify what an applicant said said and theres more info on that character sheet like isk, cloan level and alt name. If to check skill points is all thats needed then the character sheet isnt needed just the one character profile. Your self esteem is low d/t the fact that u started name calling straight off. Too bad u think your your best thing since the tooth brush cause ya breath stinks..
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2006.03.09 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: CONDIN
Your such a hick Angelus. Im stating its not good practice to get personal info untill last thing to verify what an applicant said said and theres more info on that character sheet like isk, cloan level and alt name. If to check skill points is all thats needed then the character sheet isnt needed just the one character profile. Your self esteem is low d/t the fact that u started name calling straight off. Too bad u think your your best thing since the tooth brush cause ya breath stinks..
I'm not from the US actually, I'm a Londoner. 
Getting that personal info at the end is what, I reckon, 99.9% of half-decent corps would do, why would you ask for screenshot and then interview a new recruit? Why would anyone be silly enough to think a corp recruiter wouldn't notice that the other character on a recruits login screen is a well known pirate/enemy?
My self-esteem is just fine thank you 
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Mexicanfx
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Posted - 2006.03.09 01:51:00 -
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To the OP, you sir are a fool.
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velana
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Posted - 2006.03.09 04:41:00 -
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Edited by: velana on 09/03/2006 04:53:58
First off don't post with an alt.
This is not the character you applied with. Seems we were right to have second toughts.
When you joined TSYND channel you indeed spoke with the recruiment officer. He is indeed the person who ask you several questions. Part of our procedure is to ask for the screenshot you named. Don't forget were part of the biggest alliance this game knows. This also means we have responsablities towards the alliance. One of those is reducing the risk of spy and unreliable persons. Your history made us supicious straight from the start which is not a bad thing in my opinion.
When we considered all things together we just couldn't say we felt comfortable accepting you. Thus we didn't.
Fact is sir you can't take no for an answer go to a schrink for that. Do not blame us for taking care in our recruitment policy.
You post only server to prove the fact were right not to accept you. you were dodgy to us at that time and only strengthen us in that conviction.
Edit The skill points is just to check if they match with your character age. a 2 year old char with only 5M sp would indicate inactivity or being an alt.
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Capt Willard
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Posted - 2006.03.09 18:17:00 -
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Whether our recruiting practices are too strict or not, doesnt matter. Complaining like this because a 'corp' in a computer game wouldn't let you join, shows you for the bitter star trek uniform wearing geek u probabily are. If our recruitment policies stops people like you getting in, then that'l make eve more fun for those of us without a serious social malfunction. i'd advise you to look for the spelling mistakes, and mock me for them. That'l show me.
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CONDIN
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Posted - 2006.03.09 20:51:00 -
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This is not the character you applied with. Seems we were right to have second toughts.
Thats correct i spoke with the same person through both characters. Has nothing to do with anything because i was told that the decision was based on my character i applied with originally. You guys believe your so great. Bah. asking for personal information should be the very last thing asked for, not the first. That info on a screenshot is personal. If ccp wanted everyone to have it it would show on show info when u click a character screen. Face it ya did wrong. The decision wasnt based on this character. Hell this characters cleaner then the other. Hell no one even payed attention to this character. Hell i even gave this chacters name at a seperate interview and was again invited to send a screeny and the recruiter didnt even make the connection. When are ya gonna get it. Personal info should be asked for as the last thing in a decision. not the first. Thats plain wrong Idiots.
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CONDIN
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Posted - 2006.03.09 20:57:00 -
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Capt fool. You fail to get it. Im not coplaining because you corp didnt let me join. Im complaining because of the way your corps recruiting practices stand. Why dont u send me your screen shot with your personal info. If its not a big deal mail it to me. LIKE I SAID> YOU SHOULD BE ASKING FOR PERSONAL SCREENSHOT INFO UNTIL THATS ALL THATS NEEDED TO MAKE THE DECISION. My case was decided on info that a screenshot wasnt even needed for. I feel i was mislead into sending that info based on thats all that was needed left to make the decision. But the decision was made based on info that the screenshot wasnt even needed for. That was wrong. Not that i didnt get into your corp. Vome on! Thats whats all this is about. Change your practice of asking for and obtaining a screenshot rght off. It should be last after all others things are looked aske.
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CONDIN
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:09:00 -
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Oh and heres a secret velana. I have a second account and already have a character within your alliance. Shoots ya spy theroy to hell :P
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Vanzer
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:19:00 -
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Exactly what harm has come to you by giving them the screenshot?
What special secrets do they have now? Your total ISK? Your total SP? Wow, that's alot of info, huh? I guess they will start making checks out with your name on it.
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CONDIN
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:32:00 -
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vanzer my alt> Tell me yours. Post it please. Bet ya dont
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:42:00 -
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.. Thus proving my theory that people with leet and/or all CAPS names are for the most part, retards.
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CONDIN
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:02:00 -
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****er oops wanzer im waiting for ya to post ya alts.
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DV8ED
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: DV8ED on 09/03/2006 22:20:50
I'm sorry it's come to this. It's me who sets the recruitement rules for the Corp. If you feel that you in some way have been misstreated or unfairly dealt with then I apologise. I knew once you were turned down that your threat in some form of retribution about posting why you were not accepted on the forums was real and here it is. I'm only wondering was it worth it . However I put it down to inexperience or being nieave ( however you spell it ) as most serious corps that have a responsibility to their members and indeed the alliance to which they are loyal have a measured recruitment process.
It as far as I see it is customary practice to sound out an applicant. I have the final say on who does/does not join. No one as far as I am aware has done anything inappropriate. You had to wait for a while as I was too busy or not around to give the final yay or nay. The fact that you where asked to send in screenshots is normal as you are not the only person that has applied to the corp, we have a number to get through each week.
We as a Corporation are at times measured by the effort put in to the alliance compared to the number of members we have. Bearing this in mind I only recruit those who I feel will be on 24/7 and are commited. Due to the number of applications anyone that has a long Peppered employment history or smells "alt" is rejected.
You were asked for all the information you submittted as this is the normal proceedure before I see who is applying and assess. I dont know who you are and dont judge you for that but have to take the safe bets in comparison. I'm sorry that you are upset enough about not getting in to the Corp that you feel you need to make a post in some vain attempt to turn people against us. I think most will make their own minds up after reading this.
I think your decision to show your anger here is wrong. We may have missed out on a truly great Corp guy judging on your passion about not getting in. In which case we have made a mistake, but the final descision remains.
I trust no further comments are needed by TSYND members.
Thank you for showing an interest in TSYND and the ASCENDANT FRONTIER.
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CONDIN
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:27:00 -
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Im glad to see someone with some professionalism has made a decent reply. Im not angered that i didnt get into your corp. Thats not my anger. My anger is based on the fact ,i let, what i consider, private info, go when it shouldnt have been asked for untill it was needed. That need should have been once all other aspects are looked at. If your recruiters would have said. Well contact for a screenshot once a decision has been made to acept u in order to comfirm what you have told us and to ensure your alt isnt a threat to us. Everything would have been fine. But ya see, who my alt is, is my personal information. A great majority of people dont go around telling everyone who there alts are. Some are pirates. Some isk makers for pirates ect. Thats just private personal subscribtion information. If the recruiter would have said. everything looks good send us a screenshot and well check it and approve ya i would have, but to have been asked information up front and have it not used for the decision. Thats what burns me. I dont know what ya do with that info. I was actually waiting for one of your corpies to spill it just to **** me off. Getting into your corp doesnt both me the fact that personal information was sent past the need for it thus the corp failed to protect my privacy in the application process ****es me off. In the US we have laws called hippa to protect personal info and it is personal no matter how its made out to look. I wanted an appology and wish u would change to asking last not first in the futre for personal info and i felt mislead by that whole process is all.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.03.10 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 10/03/2006 01:14:19
Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 10/03/2006 01:13:35
No laws would cover that which cannot identify you in real life.
 Sometimes people just crack me up "we have laws" lol!
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CONDIN
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Posted - 2006.03.10 01:29:00 -
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OH NO **** SHERLOCK DA!
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Sku1ly
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Posted - 2006.03.10 01:51:00 -
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Such an informative topic.
I'll recruit you!
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CONDIN
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Posted - 2006.03.10 01:55:00 -
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Na. I'm not fond of your lot! but thanks for the offer.
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Amugo
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Posted - 2006.03.10 02:03:00 -
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Ok, so they supposedly led you on, you were under the impression that sending in a ss of your character selection screen would lock you into an assured position in that corp.
You were wrong, sending that in screenshot is whats needed to join that corp (its actually used to see if you have another character in an enemy corp or alliance) This is normal practice for any decent corp to do, most good corps ask for this kind of info.
You also say that they refused to let you join because.......your employment history is a bit shaky.
So? thats a pretty good reason, it shows you dont stick around with corps you join, also it may not be the reason at all.
The corp recruiter could have thought you were 10 years old, a theif, or maybe even a spy, only they know the reason and I would assume that the one they gave you is why they didnt actually invite you to join.
So you didnt get into XXXXX corp, find another that you may think you fit into and apply there, or heres a thought, Make a corp yourself and recruit people into it anyway you want.
Yes the US has newer laws called HIPAA laws, its a change to the healthcare laws regarding Healthcare in the US, it has 3 main parts, Privacy, Transactions and Code standard, and Security.
It was actually enacted to better access to health insurance, reduce fraud and abuse and lower the overall cost of healthcare in the United States.
So by sending them that ss of your character selection screen they didnt break any HIPAA laws unless you included a shot of your medical chart from your doctor and during transmission to them you didnt use a VPN or SSL encrypted connection.
And if you did that....well it would mean that you broke the HIPAA laws.
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CONDIN
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Posted - 2006.03.10 02:26:00 -
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Oh please ya killin me with the hippa. I could give a hoot about it. Yes corps do ask for screenshots but like ive stated many many many times befor its the last thing asked for once youve been approved. actually a screenshot means jack. It can be altered in ms paint. Like i stated earlier i have a second account with a character in your alliance already so a screen shot means jack in determinning if your a spy or a bad guy. You dont get it either i dont care about if i got into the corp. I care because i was misslead and if i knew i had to give a screenshot prior to everything else being checked i would have said check everything else then if im ok id give one. Ive given one before as contigent to final approval not as a biggining package its wrong. Your not going to change my mind in the wrongness of there practice and im not going to change yours. The corps a large corp. id exspect some level of proffessionalism and respect for my private imformation. i got neither. I DONT CARE ABOUT NOT GETTING IN. eve has way too many corps. I do care about being led on to give up private info when its not needed for a determination till its pertinent. It wasnt needed and i recent giving it. One look at my hx could of ended it all by the recruiter saying sorry your hx is too long. I dont agree with the method but id live with it. But taking my private info when it wasnt needed bothers me. I have no idea whom its shared with or where it will go from here nor have i heard or had any assurances.. Get ahold of the concept. Or heh just send your alt names to me at [email protected] ill take real good care of em.
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velana
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Posted - 2006.03.10 04:52:00 -
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Edited by: velana on 10/03/2006 04:53:54
Edited by: velana on 10/03/2006 04:53:43
Basically you sayin the misleader is mislead.
You didn't speak about the alt in another ASCN corp during the interview. but you were asked if you were applying with your main. Because in the case of applying with and alt you would have been told to go. In that case we wouldn't have asked for the screenshots
if you need multiple corporations to suit yourself i can only say you are definatly not TSYND material.
neither ending an interview on a positive note or sending the screenshot does garantee you that you will be accepted whats wierd about that. If we would ask for the screenshot if we allready accepted you what would be the point.
you are true when you say a SS proves jack **** with 100% certitude. however in some cases it can raise doubts in most it wont.
And honestly do you think we care how many isk you have? Besides we didn't force you to send the screenshot did we? You can always refuse to do so if you really feel this is something to personal. Only thing we will think is that you have something to hide.
And as for the alts question Yeah i got them all but one is part of TSYND and all carry velana as part of their name.
Really i'm wondering if this is worth it. Because imo opinion this whole thread is portraiting you worse than it does harm to us. If it means we recruit less people like you hell it would even be a good thing. you are just making an elephant out of a mosquito.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.03.10 05:26:00 -
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1) Screenshots are a waste of time in my opinion as like has been said here, they can be easily altered with simple cut and paste commands to cover up other characters and other details on the character selection screen.
2) That said I also know that many recruitment processes of many corps/alliances I have delt with require the submission of a screenshot. I also know that the recruiters acknowledge the questionable value of teh screenshot itself but place value on the fact that the applicant must make that little bit of effort required to send a screenshot. A small thing but as a former CEO I know from experience it is often the little details that trip you to an alt/spy.
3) I cant see the constructive point of bringing such a grieveance to the forms, surely an evemail to the corp CEO laying out the reasons for your resentment. Prehaps you would have highlighted a fault in their processes. This thread does (in my opinion) validate their rejection of you. If I was the recruiter I would think that you were not committed to making the grade and you would be cut, and that would be that.
4) Try to understand that regardless of corp/alliance size people who spend their time and effort building something up have a vested interest and natural desire to protect it. As part of this they naturally only want the best quality of people to be part of their creation.
Clearly you failed to make the grade.
5) You now have a choice, you can rant on, or you can correct the faults that lead to your rejection and apply again.
All the best either way tis kind of rant is NOT what Eve needs to see.
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.10 06:45:00 -
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simple solution CCP restricts all acounts to one character until alts are removed this is a security measure
CCP: requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs, days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed. |
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Posted - 2006.03.10 06:54:00 -
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Hahahahahahahaha
/me files an invasion of privacy petition on behalf of CONDIN...
seriously mate... a lot of corps use the same security procedure... its not bad conduct, it's comon sense
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CONDIN
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:41:00 -
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I really dont care about your allaince rejection of me. Why do u have to over and over and over point it out and stress it thats not the issue im making. God your alliance reallly is ignorant. I dont care my hearts not broken and i dont care how i look in these forums. I told the fool i would bring it up on the forums. It wasnt a threat i did. Just because i air a view i have doesnt make it wrong or write. Its my view. No one is going to change it but this alliance has to try and continue to try justify why i was reject. So what im not hurt i stated that. I feel an inust of a common sense procedure of morality was done why cant you idiots leave it at that but im certain youll post back in all your ignorance to what im saying anyway and try to convince the world how just and good yous are.. Lets see youll make some more justifications of what a bad sneaky person i am. How great u are and how just you were about not aceptimg me. PLEASE PLEASE why cant ya stick to the point. OH and i never threatened to bring this to the forums i state outrght i would and i did. People who know me and have been in corps i was in can justify that im always been helpful ect... so grow up and cut the reject justification. Im not trying to bash your corp either i am stating what i feel is a wrong practice. ok and da no kiddin no one twisted my arm thats a statement a 12 year old would make. Thanks for the few honest and constructive post and there were a few but you alliance fools just have to try and justify and bash me, for making what i feel, is my opinion of a wrong procedure and it wont change so leave it alone if u cant stay focused.
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Vanzer
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Vanzer on 10/03/2006 16:40:43
Originally by: CONDIN
****er oops wanzer im waiting for ya to post ya alts.
I don't have any alts.
Edit: Hey, if you want, I'll send you a SS 
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