Both of my characters are in different corporations.

Were your two characters in the same fleet?

You shot something that wasn't your character's property. Working as intended.

What you should've done was abandoning all containers and wrecks, that would've enabled your alt to shoot them without Concord coming to pick a bone with your Vulture.

You shot something that wasn't your character's property. Working as intended.

What you should've done was abandoning all containers and wrecks, that would've enabled your alt to shoot them without Concord coming to pick a bone with your Vulture.

That said, it should be impossible to get concorded if have your safety set to yellow or green.

Its worth a petition, if only because you might get an explanation of what happened. What mission was it? And the container that you shot, was it jettisoned, a drop from a structure, or a drop from salvaging a wreck?

Shooting a wreck that you own shouldn't invoke concord.

All of those things should have been his property already, as the entire mission was run by the character that was later concorded.

It didnt

He shot a wreck he didnt own

i know someone who lost on orca in a very similar manner, as the safely doesnt stop you doing concordable things with drones.

how would it be possible that he didn't own the wreck if his combat character was the only person shooting things?

how would it be possible that he didn't own the wreck if his combat character was the only person shooting things?

Both of my characters are in different corporations.

Yea

how would it be possible that he didn't own the wreck if his combat character was the only person shooting things?



assisting a GCC or someone with an active war while not in the same corp? thats a failure of the safety system for sure.

fleets do not influence crimewatch mechanics.

set safeties to yellow or green if you are in highsec often. And abandon loot if you want to pick it up with a completely independent char. It is indeed working as intended since the system can't possibly know that the other player is piloted by the same person. You destroyed items of someone else, thats what concord saw and it was a crime and crimes end with the explosion of a ship in highsec.

So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?

So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?

did you loot them whilst alt was in system/in fleet?

fleet members can loot. They cannot agress each other (shooting a wreck counts for this). You still would have had to set your safety to red to shoot it though.

So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?

fleet members can loot. They cannot agress each other (shooting a wreck counts for this). You still would have had to set your safety to red to shoot it though.

Have you set him as blue?

Yes, alt stayed in system, just at a planet.

i think you will find that you would not have had to set safety to red to shoot a fleetmates white wreck..

Personal standings, yes.

clearly they do, as if he wasn't in fleet, the wrecks would have appeared yellow and he would have gotten a suspect flag for looting them. Fleets don't affect which actions are considered criminal however.

It still doesn't make sense that you can kill an NPC and the wreck will be owned by someone that might not even be in system.

that's kind of bullshit. This is what the safety is for.

lol, i would definitely petition at this point.

fleet members can loot. They cannot agress each other (shooting a wreck counts for this). You still would have had to set your safety to red to shoot it though.

What would have happened if my alt were logged off after providing a warp in for my combat pilot? Or the indy alt left system?

wrecks turn yellow, well, most of the time, like i say, it still has teething problems imo. They certainly go yellow if he logs off, but leaving system seems to be sometimes giving yellow wrecks, other times leaving them white.

It was red because I frequent lowsec often. I don't normally do level 4 missions. Oh well, I recovered most of my loot from my wreck, but I was just a bit confused about my combat toon not having ownership even though he was creating the wrecks.

Wrecks are owned by the person who's running the mission.

The wrecks are yours.

If there is one thing EVE needs; it is making the game more understandable to new players.

The fact that when in a fleet doing a mission, you can loot any wreck your fleet created, and salvage any wreck you created without repercussion it is odd that you cannot shoot any wrecks you created.

If there is one thing EVE needs; it is making the game more understandable to new players.

No they aren't

This was determined at length in another post entitled "Why Salvagers are actually pirates and i should be allowed to shoot them" or something

when it comes to shooting them they are. you can shoot your own wrecks but not someone elses.

yes you can salvage any wreck but we are talking about shooting them here

New players not understanding is not the problem. I'm a vet by any definition and I was still surprised to hear that wrecks generated by shooting an NPC are not yours if the mission was pulled by someone else. Crimewatch 2.0 is a fantastic improvement over the old system, but it still has a few holes in it.

If I understood correctly:

Player A accepted the mission.
Player B does all the killing, looting and salvaging.
Player B then goes on to shoot the container that were created from HIM salvaging HIS wrecks.
Player B gets concorded.

Yes, sounds like you should petition it.

Agreed. It makes no sense that the wrecks and/or cans that you make belong to someone else and can get you concorded. Not only that, but the game client shows them white, which is completely wrong. In this case, the only thing the white color is showing you is that you can loot without getting suspect flag. But you get concordokken for popping them? Makes no sense at all.

Hell, I might even classify this as a bug. Definitely petition.

Agreed ... with one small proviso:

Allowing random griefers passing through to destroy any mission completion loot drops (the Damsel etc) without consequence may cause a few issues of its own.

EDIT: On retrospect the issue here would actually be the other way around. The problem occurs if someone ninjas into your mission and destroys the objective LCO. Can you no longer loot the mission objective cargo container?

Both of my characters are in different corporations.

Were your two characters in the same fleet?

Wrecks are owned by the person who's running the mission.

For missions it doesn't matter, from what i rememebr the wrecks of mission rats will always belong to the owner of the mission, for you to even get concorded would require you to have safeties set to red and to have already suppressed the warning message, green safeties are there to protect you :)

petition it.

I had exactly the same years ago when I started doing L4's. Friend of mine was doing L4's, I came to help in my brand spanking new abaddon. So we fleeted.

A salvage ninja showed up, and friend started to shoot the wrecks, I then also started to shoot, and got concorded.

Petitioned it, and next day I got my abaddon returned.

only the person doing the mission is allowed to shoot the wrecks, yeah I know, ccp logic.

Wrecks are white, because Fleet members may loot.