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Hope Alar
Blue Tridents
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:10:00 -
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Is this petitionable? Or is this just the game working as intended?
I was running courier missions on an alt, and got a storyline combat mission. So I decided to bring in my combat main pilot to do it. I warped both of my pilots there, left my combat pilot, and warped by indy alt to a planet. As I was killing the npcs in the mission I was also salvaging/looting. I got to a point where my cargo was getting full so I was prioritizing loot that was better. I left a few containers and I thought the last npc should drop a container and I didn't want to have several containers on the field because I wanted to find the right one quickly. So I decidedly to shoot the containers I didn't want. Concord shows up and I lose a vulture.
Is this just the game working as intended? During the entire ordeal I was killing the npcs on my combat character, and the wrecks were white to him. He never got a suspect flag for looting/salvaging, but when I shot a container, that he made by killing the npcs, the big bad police didn't like that.
It seems odd to me that the wrecks were created by the combat character, and fully lootable/salvagable but not able to be blown up.
Both of my characters are in different corporations. |
Ramona McCandless
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
1537
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:12:00 -
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Hope Alar wrote:
Both of my characters are in different corporations.
That is why
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Notorious Fellon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:12:00 -
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Were your two characters in the same fleet? |
Hope Alar
Blue Tridents
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:14:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Were your two characters in the same fleet?
Yea |
Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:14:00 -
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i was under the impression you couldn't do dumb **** to get yourself concorded if you put your safety on green.
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Sirinda
Oberon Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
262
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:14:00 -
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You shot something that wasn't your character's property. Working as intended.
What you should've done was abandoning all containers and wrecks, that would've enabled your alt to shoot them without Concord coming to pick a bone with your Vulture. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:17:00 -
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Sirinda wrote:You shot something that wasn't your character's property. Working as intended.
What you should've done was abandoning all containers and wrecks, that would've enabled your alt to shoot them without Concord coming to pick a bone with your Vulture.
Or just right click/save location on the specific container you want to return to.
Mr Epeen 
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:19:00 -
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Its worth a petition, if only because you might get an explanation of what happened. What mission was it? And the container that you shot, was it jettisoned, a drop from a structure, or a drop from salvaging a wreck?
Shooting a wreck that you own shouldn't invoke concord, even if the npc that generated the wreck was from a mission that you didn't pull. If the container was generated by salvaging a wreck it should be safe to shoot. If the container popped into existence separate from a wreck because you cleared a mission objective, its possible that container would belong to the indy alt.
That said, it should be impossible to get concorded if have your safety set to yellow or green.
Sirinda wrote:You shot something that wasn't your character's property. Working as intended.
What you should've done was abandoning all containers and wrecks, that would've enabled your alt to shoot them without Concord coming to pick a bone with your Vulture.
All of those things should have been his property already, as the entire mission was run by the character that was later concorded.
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Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:23:00 -
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Batelle wrote:That said, it should be impossible to get concorded if have your safety set to yellow or green.
i know someone who lost on orca in a very similar manner, as the safely doesnt stop you doing concordable things with drones. |
Ramona McCandless
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
1537
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:24:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Its worth a petition, if only because you might get an explanation of what happened. What mission was it? And the container that you shot, was it jettisoned, a drop from a structure, or a drop from salvaging a wreck?
Shooting a wreck that you own shouldn't invoke concord.
It didnt
He shot a wreck he didnt own
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Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:25:00 -
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Batelle wrote:All of those things should have been his property already, as the entire mission was run by the character that was later concorded.
I think you will find that even tho he killed them, the wrecks are actually the property of his alt as it was his alts mission.
Some weird things can happen in fleets when you are in different corps. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:26:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Batelle wrote:Its worth a petition, if only because you might get an explanation of what happened. What mission was it? And the container that you shot, was it jettisoned, a drop from a structure, or a drop from salvaging a wreck?
Shooting a wreck that you own shouldn't invoke concord. It didnt He shot a wreck he didnt own
how would it be possible that he didn't own the wreck if his combat character was the only person shooting things?
Luci Ambrye wrote:Batelle wrote:That said, it should be impossible to get concorded if have your safety set to yellow or green. i know someone who lost on orca in a very similar manner, as the safely doesnt stop you doing concordable things with drones.
assisting a GCC or someone with an active war while not in the same corp? thats a failure of the safety system for sure.
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Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:28:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Batelle wrote:Its worth a petition, if only because you might get an explanation of what happened. What mission was it? And the container that you shot, was it jettisoned, a drop from a structure, or a drop from salvaging a wreck?
Shooting a wreck that you own shouldn't invoke concord. It didnt He shot a wreck he didnt own how would it be possible that he didn't own the wreck if his combat character was the only person shooting things?
because it wasnt his mission, it was his alts so the wrecks were his alts. |
Ramona McCandless
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
1538
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:28:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Batelle wrote:Its worth a petition, if only because you might get an explanation of what happened. What mission was it? And the container that you shot, was it jettisoned, a drop from a structure, or a drop from salvaging a wreck?
Shooting a wreck that you own shouldn't invoke concord. It didnt He shot a wreck he didnt own how would it be possible that he didn't own the wreck if his combat character was the only person shooting things?
Because they are in different corps
Hope Alar wrote:
Both of my characters are in different corporations.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2224
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:29:00 -
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Hope Alar wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:Were your two characters in the same fleet? Yea
fleets do not influence crimewatch mechanics.
set safeties to yellow or green if you are in highsec often. And abandon loot if you want to pick it up with a completely independent char. It is indeed working as intended since the system can't possibly know that the other player is piloted by the same person. You destroyed items of someone else, thats what concord saw and it was a crime and crimes end with the explosion of a ship in highsec.
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
99
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:32:00 -
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Just last night? I get concorded every night 
Everything is petitionable, file one. There is no reason not to. If you get your ship back great, if you don't hopefully you will get a reasonable explanation as to why you did not. |
Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:33:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Batelle wrote:Its worth a petition, if only because you might get an explanation of what happened. What mission was it? And the container that you shot, was it jettisoned, a drop from a structure, or a drop from salvaging a wreck?
Shooting a wreck that you own shouldn't invoke concord. It didnt He shot a wreck he didnt own how would it be possible that he didn't own the wreck if his combat character was the only person shooting things? Luci Ambrye wrote:Batelle wrote:That said, it should be impossible to get concorded if have your safety set to yellow or green. i know someone who lost on orca in a very similar manner, as the safely doesnt stop you doing concordable things with drones. assisting a GCC or someone with an active war while not in the same corp? thats a failure of the safety system for sure.
forgive me for appearing thick, but where is GCC or War mentioned? |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
666
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:35:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:Hope Alar wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:Were your two characters in the same fleet? Yea fleets do not influence crimewatch mechanics. set safeties to yellow or green if you are in highsec often. And abandon loot if you want to pick it up with a completely independent char. It is indeed working as intended since the system can't possibly know that the other player is piloted by the same person. You destroyed items of someone else, thats what concord saw and it was a crime and crimes end with the explosion of a ship in highsec.
clearly they do, as if he wasn't in fleet, the wrecks would have appeared yellow and he would have gotten a suspect flag for looting them. Fleets don't affect which actions are considered criminal however.
It still doesn't make sense that you can kill an NPC and the wreck will be owned by someone that might not even be in system.
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Hope Alar
Blue Tridents
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:35:00 -
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So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt? |
Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:37:00 -
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Hope Alar wrote:So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?
did you loot them whilst alt was in system/in fleet? |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:37:00 -
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Hope Alar wrote:So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?
fleet members can loot. They cannot agress each other (shooting a wreck counts for this). You still would have had to set your safety to red to shoot it though.
"CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Hope Alar
Blue Tridents
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:38:00 -
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Luci Ambrye wrote:Hope Alar wrote:So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt? did you loot them whilst alt was in system/in fleet?
Yes, alt stayed in system, just at a planet. |
Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
23
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:39:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Hope Alar wrote:So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt? fleet members can loot. They cannot agress each other (shooting a wreck counts for this). You still would have had to set your safety to red to shoot it though.
i think you will find that you would not have had to set safety to red to shoot a fleetmates white wreck.. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17822
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:39:00 -
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Hope Alar wrote:So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?
Have you set him as blue?
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Hope Alar
Blue Tridents
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:39:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Hope Alar wrote:So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt? fleet members can loot. They cannot agress each other (shooting a wreck counts for this). You still would have had to set your safety to red to shoot it though.
It was red because I frequent lowsec often. I don't normally do level 4 missions. Oh well, I recovered most of my loot from my wreck, but I was just a bit confused about my combat toon not having ownership even though he was creating the wrecks. |
Hope Alar
Blue Tridents
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hope Alar wrote:So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt? Have you set him as blue?
Personal standings, yes. |
Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:40:00 -
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Hope Alar wrote:Luci Ambrye wrote:Hope Alar wrote:So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt? did you loot them whilst alt was in system/in fleet? Yes, alt stayed in system, just at a planet.
thats fine as it just gets logged on the loot log in fleet. Sometimes what happens when the fleetmate leaves system and certainly when they leave fleet, the wrecks would turn yellow, then you would go suspect. |
Ramona McCandless
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
1538
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:41:00 -
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I suspect you may have accidently can-flipped yourself at some point in the confusion.
That would explain it
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:42:00 -
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Luci Ambrye wrote:
i think you will find that you would not have had to set safety to red to shoot a fleetmates white wreck..
that's kind of bullshit. This is what the safety is for.
lol, i would definitely petition at this point.
"CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17822
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:46:00 -
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Hope Alar wrote:Tippia wrote:Hope Alar wrote:So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt? Have you set him as blue? Personal standings, yes.
Unless they change it as part of CW2.0, that should give him the right to loot (and only to loot).
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