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Steel-Stone Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:19:00 - [1] - Quote I've been going out looking for some PVP action every night and i've been running into 2 to 3 man jumps, where I'm being pointed by one and the others unload on my ship. The best i can do in that situation is try to take one of them down along with me. I was wondering what do some of you more experience pvp'ers do in these situation. I have to say, i'm loving the experience that i've been getting from the fights. Now when i'm jumped i'm more calm in making my moves and trying to think what is the best way to handle the situation even though i have 3 guys ontop of me. Last night i was jumped again and if it was a 1 v1 the other guy would have been done. 8 times this month i've been out number out of 11 fight so far in my short career. Thanks
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3887	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:20:00 - [2] - Quote Make friends. RIP Scamming; CCP has finally acknowledged that the average gamer is too stupid to avoid being scammed & has decided to protect them from themselves with TOS changes that effectively ban the practice.
Steel-Stone Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:22:00 - [3] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Make friends. lol. Thanks I actually like the brawling. I dont give a rats ass who im fighting. I know the experience will serve me well.
Ramona McCandless Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1550	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:23:00 - [4] - Quote As in life, I never get involved in a fight that is not ridiculously stacked in my favour. * Vote MTU For CSM * Non omnis moriar
Tetsuo Tsukaya Itinerant Empire 202	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:26:00 - [5] - Quote You've got two viable options in a world of non honoure brawling 1) do overwhelming DPS to kill your targets before they can all be doing damage to you (ie kill the first tackle before the backup finishes landing). This is hard to do as people tend to be able to judge your likely damage output and plan accordingly. 2) fly nano ships and dictate range, be able to disengage at will.
Jove Death The Jovian Navy 298	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:29:00 - [6] - Quote watch some of the kil2 solo roams on youtube when his back is against the gate. Some awesome solo work that might aspire you Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
Steel-Stone Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:35:00 - [7] - Quote Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: You've got two viable options in a world of non honoure brawling 1) do overwhelming DPS to kill your targets before they can all be doing damage to you (ie kill the first tackle before the backup finishes landing). This is hard to do as people tend to be able to judge your likely damage output and plan accordingly. 2) fly nano ships and dictate range, be able to disengage at will. The problem i'm getting is being warped ontop of not getting the range. The other issue would be that i'm fighting one and then 2 more warp in and unload. I'm trying to stay 150km away from belts or gates waiting for a fight so i don't get warpped on top of. Still learning.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 693	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:43:00 - [8] - Quote For solo pvp you generally want to have a ship that has the ability to disengage. There are multiple ways to disengage. General Purpose: -Neuts. -ECM drones. -Being in a sufficiently speedy kiting ship. Niche disengage options: -Webs. E.g. 2 frigates are brawling, both are scram fit with equal prop mods (either mwd or AB). One of them has more/stronger/longer webs than the other. That ship has the option to disengage. -MJD. Only works on BS ships. Can microjump while pointed or bubled, but not while scrammed. Carry a heavy neut or 2 to neut out scram ships. -ECM proper. Useless on an unbonussed ships, and the dedicated ecm boats are terrible at soloing. Works great for alts though. -Tank. If you have a sufficiently strong tank, you can use a gate or station to disengage. Turn off all your guns, pull your drones and wait 30 seconds to de-aggress. Then jump through to a presumably safer system (e.g. a lo-hi gate) or dock up. In general this method only works in lowsec or npc 0.0. However, if your opponents are ******** and all of them aggress on one side of a gate, and you manage to de-aggress this will even work in Sov. Just make sure to have a mobile depot+cloak in your inventory as you probly won't be able to dock in sov.
Seven Koskanaiken Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two 576	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:23:00 - [9] - Quote Steel-Stone wrote: Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: You've got two viable options in a world of non honoure brawling 1) do overwhelming DPS to kill your targets before they can all be doing damage to you (ie kill the first tackle before the backup finishes landing). This is hard to do as people tend to be able to judge your likely damage output and plan accordingly. 2) fly nano ships and dictate range, be able to disengage at will. The problem i'm getting is being warped ontop of not getting the range. The other issue would be that i'm fighting one and then 2 more warp in and unload. I'm trying to stay 150km away from belts or gates waiting for a fight so i don't get warpped on top of. Still learning. Try waiting in FW plexes. Each plex has a warp in point, if you burn away from this point and wait you can determine the range, or stay at this point if you want to brawl. Bring DScan down to 150000000 km which is 1 AU, scan while fighting to see if other ships are coming into the plex and disengage if you can't take them.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 3825	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:29:00 - [10] - Quote Steel-Stone wrote: I've been going out looking for some PVP action every night and i've been running into 2 to 3 man jumps, where I'm being pointed by one and the others unload on my ship. The best i can do in that situation is try to take one of them down along with me. I was wondering what do some of you more experience pvp'ers do in these situation. I have to say, i'm loving the experience that i've been getting from the fights. Now when i'm jumped i'm more calm in making my moves and trying to think what is the best way to handle the situation even though i have 3 guys ontop of me. Last night i was jumped again and if it was a 1 v1 the other guy would have been done. 8 times this month i've been out number out of 11 fight so far in my short career. Thanks Basic small gang with tackle. I'd say you were getting your ISK worth. If you don't like your ganks, please return the unused portion to.... If you want a kill, and you run into this arrangement as a habit, might I recommend that you fit a missile cruiser with stabs and a rack of rapid light missile launchers (caracel would be ideal). When you get tackled, nuke the tackler and then run off. Yeah it won't put hair on your chest but what the hey I bet you will be entertained. RLMLs were so effective they had to put in a 40 second reload time and running off on stabs will have them smacking at you to legendary levels trying to get you to come back and get killed for sheer honor.

Jen Takhesis The Scope Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:00:00 - [11] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Make friends. So this is why I suck at Eve.
I Love Boobies All Hail Boobies 829	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:11:00 - [12] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Make friends. Friends in Eve are a myth.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2654	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:37:00 - [13] - Quote The super pro solo PvP trifecta: Use off-grid boosts so you can drastically improve the performance of your ship with very little risk, while still fighting "solo". Follow yourself with a neutral logi ship in another client. These are disposable and low-skill req, thanks to the recent buffs. You're still "solo" since you're the only one who shows up on a killmail. Follow yourself with a cloaked Falcon in another client. If you start losing a fight, decloak and jam everything, allowing you to effortlessly finish them off while also smacktalking in local and telling them to HTFU and fit ECCM. The downside is the Falcon will show up on the killmail. ... Or all of them at once! Before you know it, you'll be winning 9 out of 10 fights with no trouble, even if you're outnumbered. Solo PvP is definitely alive and well. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
Steel-Stone Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.12.19 01:23:00 - [14] - Quote Petrus Blackshell wrote: The super pro solo PvP trifecta: Use off-grid boosts so you can drastically improve the performance of your ship with very little risk, while still fighting "solo". Follow yourself with a neutral logi ship in another client. These are disposable and low-skill req, thanks to the recent buffs. You're still "solo" since you're the only one who shows up on a killmail. Follow yourself with a cloaked Falcon in another client. If you start losing a fight, decloak and jam everything, allowing you to effortlessly finish them off while also smacktalking in local and telling them to HTFU and fit ECCM. The downside is the Falcon will show up on the killmail. ... Or all of them at once! Before you know it, you'll be winning 9 out of 10 fights with no trouble, even if you're outnumbered. Solo PvP is definitely alive and well. Thanks for the advice. Yes solo pvp is alive and well. I love the pvp aspect of this game.
Steel-Stone Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.12.19 01:29:00 - [15] - Quote One thing i have learned from these fights is staying calm and thinking clearly my next move. Its wasnt like that when i first had my pvp experience. When i had my first battles, I was all over the place...lol. Now its more control. Makes it easier to have my 1v1 pvp after battling 3 guys.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 7018	Posted - 2013.12.19 02:52:00 - [16] - Quote Steel-Stone wrote: trying to think what is the best way to handle the situation even though i have 3 guys ontop of me. Enjoy it as much as you can? Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition 821	Posted - 2013.12.20 09:46:00 - [17] - Quote When I get dogpiled there are a couple of things that I try to do. First of all, stay calm. It's better to be one second late with the proper action, then doing the wrong one right away. I first look at any active effects on me. Am I being pointed? An I being webbed? If so, either kill that ship by quickly brawling it down, or kite away from it. Pick a celestial to align to, and try to be aligned at the moment the enemy ship pops / you kite out of range. This way you create chances for yourself to get away. Remember a scram will turn off your microwarpdrive. Avoid getting scrammed to keep dictating range. Kiting tactics make it easier to disengage, brawling will see you commit to fights instead. Sometimes you are met with overwhelming force, and an insurmountable amount of points. If that happens just kiss your ship goodbye and focus on getting your pod out.
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2515	Posted - 2013.12.20 09:54:00 - [18] - Quote Steel-Stone wrote: Petrus Blackshell wrote: Solo PvP is definitely alive and well. Thanks for the advice. Yes solo pvp is alive and well. I love the pvp aspect of this game. You may be too new to realize that he was pointing out some of the most controversial tactics employed by "solo" pilots. While they do work, you will likely garner a reputation for said controversial tactics - no matter how fair in the grand scheme of things they are or are not. You will be known for using them, especially in your usual stomping grounds. Just be aware that using these tactics will come with a price. Less people will engage you as they realize you use them, and you may earn less 'credit' for your activities should you decide down the road to leverage your experience towards some social goal. Everything in EVE has consequences. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations
Arduemont The State of War. 2544	Posted - 2013.12.20 10:06:00 - [19] - Quote Steel-Stone wrote: I've been going out looking for some PVP action every night and i've been running into 2 to 3 man jumps, where I'm being pointed by one and the others unload on my ship. The best i can do in that situation is try to take one of them down along with me. I was wondering what do some of you more experience pvp'ers do in these situation. I have to say, i'm loving the experience that i've been getting from the fights. Now when i'm jumped i'm more calm in making my moves and trying to think what is the best way to handle the situation even though i have 3 guys ontop of me. Last night i was jumped again and if it was a 1 v1 the other guy would have been done. 8 times this month i've been out number out of 11 fight so far in my short career. Thanks Okay, so I regularly run up against larger gangs. Depending on what your flying, you can usually take larger groups if you know how. Here is an example. You jump through a gate and find there are 3 people on the other side. They are in cruisers and so are you. You have thirty seconds to look at the group and think whether you could take any of them. If you can you try and figure out how to isolate them from the group. A good way of doing this is to burn back to the gate you came from and jump through. If one of them doesn't get a shot off at you, then he has no aggression timer and can jump back through the gate to chase you. If two shoot at you and one does not those other two can not come back through the gate for 1 minute whilst their aggression timer goes down. This gives you 1 minute to kill the one who followed you through. They can no help him. Alternatively, if your in a very fast ship and one of the three is 70kms from the rest of the ship (and you know you can outpace the other two substantially) then you can burn for him. If he warps off before you get there you can move around at range hoping to draw one of them away from the rest, far enough that you will have the time to kill them whilst the others are burning to you. Just because someone is on grid with you doesn't mean they can actually "fight" you. Controlling range is really important in this sense. Now this does require some fairly in depth knowledge of the ships in Eve and what they are capable of. For the kiting scenario you definitely need to know rough speeds of the ships that will be chasing you. And for both you need to have an estimate of their tank so that you can judge whether their friends can get to you before they die. The largest odds I have fought and won against has been 1 vs 7 (I killed 5, the others escaped). The 7 seemed very inexperienced, but being able to judge your enemies ability is also an important part of your assessing your enemy. Find yourself a PvP mentor you can trust, someone with a really great killboard with lots of fights against larger numbers. Finding someone to help might be a pain, but once you find someone to learn from it will all be up hill from there. In Eve, keeping calm, and having an in depth knowledge of the situation is incredibly important. Make sure to download EFT and have a play with PvP fits so you have an idea of what your enemies are likely to be flying and the damage they are likely to have, the range they have, the tank they have, the speed they move etc. Whenever someone links me a PvP fit I ask them those questions incase I come up against someone flying something similar. Katrina Oniseki wrote: You may be too new to realize that he was pointing out some of the most controversial tactics employed by "solo" pilots. Ignore this guy if you want to be successful. There are no controversial tactics. There is only tactics and a lack there of. If your enemy thinks what your doing is unfair, it's because your winning. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
ErrorRon Daktaklakpak. Red Coat Conspiracy 65	Posted - 2013.12.20 12:25:00 - [20] - Quote Steel-Stone wrote: I've been going out looking for some PVP action every night and i've been running into 2 to 3 man jumps, where I'm being pointed by one and the others unload on my ship. The best i can do in that situation is try to take one of them down along with me. I was wondering what do some of you more experience pvp'ers do in these situation. I have to say, i'm loving the experience that i've been getting from the fights. Now when i'm jumped i'm more calm in making my moves and trying to think what is the best way to handle the situation even though i have 3 guys ontop of me. Last night i was jumped again and if it was a 1 v1 the other guy would have been done. 8 times this month i've been out number out of 11 fight so far in my short career. Thanks Scout, take an appropriate ship to counter the 2 - 3 ships they have set up.

Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1063	Posted - 2013.12.20 13:31:00 - [21] - Quote Unfortunately in EVE PvP is always like that bar a few rare exceptions. Most people won't fight you unless you're outnumbered, the ones who see you in local by themselves run away and the ones that have more than you fight. Occasionally you'll encounter one who fights but then drops a cyno so all his friends can save him since he sucks at solo. Very rarely you'll find a person, not in a very cheap and pointless frig that will fight you but not often enough to make it worthwhile. What I do is stick to a few rules, this applies to fighting in expensive ships and against expensive ships: 1. Don't kill people looking for fights (they'll have friends nearby or cyno 99% of the time). 2. Have max dps / min tank. If you can't burn them down quick, having 100k extra ehp won't help you against their friends next door / cyno'd in when you're webbed, scrammed, jammed and nueted. 3. Don't log off in space, stay online in and around the systems you're hunting. People will get used to you. They might jump into system 10 times while you're at work, school, sleep and after you haven't attacked them all those times they'll start to let their guard down, get bored of trying to set you up. 4. Stay in an area for awhile so you get to know it, get to know the people who are active, resident etc. Which ones are ganking, check their killboards, see who they gank with, add them to contacts etc. 5. If you have a locator agent and you're wanting to kill somebody, check their killboard, see who they gank with, get your agent to check but don't pay the agent, you can determine if the persons are in the same constellation as the agent will only charge you a very low rate. So you can check if a gang is working nearby for free, and very quickly. Stuff like that will make you less likely to be the victim of a gank and more likely to be successful at catching people with their guard down and with their friends not ready to pwn you.
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1666	Posted - 2013.12.20 14:09:00 - [22] - Quote Steel-Stone wrote: I've been going out looking for some PVP action every night and i've been running into 2 to 3 man jumps, where I'm being pointed by one and the others unload on my ship. The best i can do in that situation is try to take one of them down along with me. [b]I was wondering what do some of you more experience pvp'ers do in these situation. [/b] Thanks Crash the gate ? We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Dreaded Vengance Absinthe Brothers 0	Posted - 2013.12.20 14:14:00 - [23] - Quote Steel-Stone wrote: I've been going out looking for some ~~PVP~~ action every night and i've been running into 2 to 3 man jumps, where I'm being pointed by one and the others unload on my ship. The best i can do in that situation is try to take one of them down along with me. This sounds homoerotic, where do i sign up?
MestariBation Viziam Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2013.12.20 14:16:00 - [24] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Make friends. Blue everything Send me isk im poor
Jessica Danikov Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 162	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:34:00 - [25] - Quote Feynman taught himself the drums and as a result, developed his own unique style that surprised others. If you're having fun, keep doing it and you'll learn from experience- who knows if you'll come up with something new and interesting?
Felicity Love Nighthawk Exploration 1067	Posted - 2013.12.20 20:20:00 - [26] - Quote OP needs a "Fedo Launcher"... Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies"
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 1085	Posted - 2013.12.20 20:23:00 - [27] - Quote Quote: I've been going out looking for some PVP action every night and i've been running into 2 to 3 man jumps, where I'm being pointed by one and the others unload on my ship. The best i can do in that situation is try to take one of them down along with me. I was wondering what do some of you more experience pvp'ers do in these situation. I have to say, i'm loving the experience that i've been getting from the fights. Now when i'm jumped i'm more calm in making my moves and trying to think what is the best way to handle the situation even though i have 3 guys ontop of me. Last night i was jumped again and if it was a 1 v1 the other guy would have been done. 8 times this month i've been out number out of 11 fight so far in my short career. Use local, use d-scan, and use your own mobility so that you never get into the situation with 3 people on your face.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 250	Posted - 2013.12.20 20:33:00 - [28] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: Steel-Stone wrote: Petrus Blackshell wrote: Solo PvP is definitely alive and well. Thanks for the advice. Yes solo pvp is alive and well. I love the pvp aspect of this game. You may be too new to realize that he was pointing out some of the most controversial tactics employed by "solo" pilots. While they do work, you will likely garner a reputation for said controversial tactics - no matter how fair in the grand scheme of things they are or are not. You will be known for using them, especially in your usual stomping grounds. Just be aware that using these tactics will come with a price. Less people will engage you as they realize you use them, and you may earn less 'credit' for your activities should you decide down the road to leverage your experience towards some social goal. Everything in EVE has consequences. OGB isn't as risk free as it use to be. You have people hunting the boosters now that they can't hide in a POS shield any more.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2668	Posted - 2013.12.20 20:37:00 - [29] - Quote Caviar Liberta wrote: OGB isn't as risk free as it use to be. You have people hunting the boosters now that they can't hide in a POS shield any more. On a station On a gate In a hard to scan spot, sporting ECCM to be even harder to scan, and with a cloak for good measure On a POS ~~In a POS~~ I can feel the risk from all the way over here, and I'm not even logged on. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2519	Posted - 2013.12.20 21:00:00 - [30] - Quote Arduemont wrote: Ignore this guy if you want to be successful. There are no controversial tactics. There is only tactics and a lack there of. If your enemy thinks what your doing is unfair, it's because your winning. Anything that gives rise or is likely to give rise to public disagreement (controversy) is controversial. As all of those tactics do indeed cause controversy, I think the word was appropriately applied, and that there certainly are controversial tactics. I'm not arguing against them, so there's no need to 'ignore me'. He's welcome to use them, and I wouldn't give a damn one way or another. Just pointing out what others might think. Caviar Liberta wrote: OGB isn't as risk free as it use to be. You have people hunting the boosters now that they can't hide in a POS shield any more. True. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations



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