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Dr Cottonball
Abh Academy
Abh Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.19 03:49:00 -
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Hello everyone, I'm unsure of something. I recently bought an Armageddon for L4 ratting and with 5 Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam 1 with Standard L, I only get 93.5 DPS. Am I doing something wrong? 
Gunnery Skills:
Gunnery V
Large Energy Turret III
Sharpshooter IV
Motion Prediction II
I would link the whole fit but I ran out of ISK to finish lows. I also do not have any implants. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. |
Riot Girl
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
2154
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Posted - 2013.12.19 03:53:00 -
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Rapid Firing, Surgical Strike, T2 guns. Fly something cheaper.
Oh god. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
400
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Posted - 2013.12.19 03:58:00 -
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Dr Cottonball wrote:Hello everyone, I'm unsure of something. I recently bought an Armageddon for L4 ratting and with 5 Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam 1 with Standard L, I only get 93.5 DPS. Am I doing something wrong? Gunnery Skills: Gunnery V Large Energy Turret III Sharpshooter IV Motion Prediction II I would link the whole fit but I ran out of ISK to finish lows. I also do not have any implants. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
10% bonus to Drone damage and Hit Points
125mb bandwidth.
drone capacity 375m3
Barking up the wrong tree if you want a laserboat.
Note that it can do 800 drone dps with four DDA IIs, garde IIs, and a couple of omni IIs to make it hit stuff at useful ranges.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1747
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Posted - 2013.12.19 03:59:00 -
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Dr Cottonball wrote:Hello everyone, I'm unsure of something. I recently bought an Armageddon for L4 ratting and with 5 Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam 1 with Standard L, I only get 93.5 DPS. Am I doing something wrong? Gunnery Skills: Gunnery V Large Energy Turret III Sharpshooter IV Motion Prediction II I would link the whole fit but I ran out of ISK to finish lows. I also do not have any implants. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
I think you might be forgetting the drones.
Also the geddon is mainly an ewar ship, i'd recommend using something else for missions.
BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Janna Windforce
EVE University
Ivy League
37
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:00:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Also the geddon is mainly an ewar ship, i'd recommend using something else for missions.
Hard truth, especially if you've spent all your ISK on this. I'd recommend asking around or at least searching a bit next time you intend to do something like that ;) |
Tali'zorrah
Unicornucopia
4
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:01:00 -
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If your lookingfor a T1 amarr BS, i would highly reccomend the Apocalype.
the Armageddon as stated earlier is mostly a drone/EWAR ship, and the Abaddon is a CAP guzzling beast.
Apoc is MUCH more forgiving to fit and fly :)
also, dont forgot the heat sinks to make the lasers do more damage :) |
Oylpann Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:09:00 -
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Dr Cottonball wrote: *snip*
I would link the whole fit but I ran out of ISK to finish lows. .
You ran out of isk to buy modules for the low slots, or am I reading that wrong?
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hmskrecik
TransMine Group
German Information Network Alliance
143
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:14:00 -
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Dr Cottonball wrote:[....] Armageddon [....] with 5 Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam 1 with Standard L, I only get 93.5 DPS. Am I doing something wrong?
A couple of things. As mentioned already: this is probably not the ship you want to fly, train all gun support skills at least to 4, use heat sinks.
Also you're using medium range ammo. For missions you want to maximize DPS so in this case you should look into Multifrequency. If range is your concern then switch to beam lasers, pulses shine with Scorch which brings us back to the paragraph above.
Also also when you have steady cash flow then you may consider using faction Multifrequency. With switching to faction heat sinks wait until you have all necessary skills well trained and you have good grasp towards which end your ship flies.
HTH. |
Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries
Gentlemen's Agreement
128
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:22:00 -
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It would seem you, as so many before you, have fallen into the trap of jumping into a hull you aren't ready for. The idea of "cashing" in on that L4 isk (chuckle) is all well and good, but if it takes you hours to complete a single L4 then the couple of L3s in that same time would have been a better investment of time. Go back to your harbi or proph while getting your guns to T2 before moving into that apoc and L4s. The results will be far better.
Oh and drone ships for all missions. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
127
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Posted - 2013.12.19 10:01:00 -
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From pretty recent experience, all of the above is true.
However, im sure as you read this you'r thinking "**** that , i reserve the right do explode in whatever sized fiery slag heap i choose" and you wouldent be wrong, however lvl 4 s arnt that much fun, in a group yeah they can be a chuckle if you have someone funny in your ts but generally they are pretty tedious, much more so without the skills to use the hull to its full.
If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
195
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Posted - 2013.12.19 11:02:00 -
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Dr Cottonball wrote:Hello everyone, I'm unsure of something. I recently bought an Armageddon for L4 ratting and with 5 Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam 1 with Standard L, I only get 93.5 DPS. Am I doing something wrong?
Standard L Crystals dole out 20 EM damage and 12 Thermal per activation as a base, your lasers have a 3.6 base damage modifier and an 8s cycle time. Your skills reduce the cycle time by 10% to 7.2s and increase your damage modifier to (3.6 x 1.15=) 4.14.
32 (damage) x 4.14 (damage mod) = 132.48 (damage per shot)
132.48 (damage per shot) / 7.2 (cycle time = 18.4 (damage per second)
18.4 (damage per second) x 5 (number of guns) = 92 (total damage per second).
So you're doing 1.5 DPS more than the calculations suggest (possibly a rounding in EVElopedia's Item database or something you haven't listed (although the value is small for a skill or a module)) which puts you ahead in the game. Adding drones to the mix however will drastically improve that overall output. |
Dr Cottonball
Abh Academy
Abh Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:26:00 -
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Thank you for all the feedback! My plan is now is to buy an Apocalypse and train for T2 guns. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
566
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Posted - 2013.12.20 01:44:00 -
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Dr Cottonball wrote:Thank you for all the feedback! My plan is now is to buy an Apocalypse and train for T2 guns.
In for your first 'Like'. You followed the thread, said thanks, and changing to an Apoc is the right way to go.
Ask people how they fit for missions, you will get some great advice on that as well.  |
Termy Rockling
EVE University
Ivy League
89
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Posted - 2013.12.20 06:15:00 -
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Train all other stuff to T2 first, like capacitor/tank then guns last. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
293
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Posted - 2013.12.20 06:26:00 -
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Dr Cottonball wrote:Hello everyone, I'm unsure of something. I recently bought an Armageddon for L4 ratting and with 5 Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam 1 with Standard L, I only get 93.5 DPS. Am I doing something wrong? Gunnery Skills: Gunnery V Large Energy Turret III Sharpshooter IV Motion Prediction II I would link the whole fit but I ran out of ISK to finish lows. I also do not have any implants. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
You're missing a lot of skills to fly a battleship. Look at the ISIS in game to get an idea of the skills you need for each ship.
Do level 3 missions in a battlecruiser such as a Harbinger or Prophecy. One if you like guns and the other if you prefer drones. You'll make far more ISK per hour.
Please don't fly the Armageddon if you can't even afford modules for it. This is coming from experience... It sucks losing a ship but even more so if you can't afford to replace it. |
Odithia
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.12.20 06:46:00 -
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If you want to PVE, train another race.
Reason here
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=305954&find=unread |
Dato Koppla
PillowFighters Inc
Stealth Wear Inc.
416
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Posted - 2013.12.20 12:03:00 -
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Yeah I stand by lasers not being optimal for missioning, however L4s aren't the endgame, and if you're just planning to get a steady source of income and train skills, lasers can be good for PvP or other applications where it doesn't suffer from the issues I mentioned like shooting sleepers.
So since he's a new player already far along on lasers, I would recommend the OP stick to his laser plan, just keep to Amarr space. |
Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.12.20 12:06:00 -
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The Armageddon in cruise gank fit is the best amarr t1 pve ship. You should use long range sentries to start off with MJD sniping as the damage application (tank) style.
The Amarr PVE endgame has possibly the strongest continued damage application: pulse Paladin and sentry Nightmare. The catch is you have to pick EM weak rats. The contesting ship here is Machariel in a sentry autocannon gank setup which just trumps everything anyhow. |
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