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ElGalactico
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Posted - 2003.09.07 19:00:00 -
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Sinister and RUS are in the YZ-LQL camping one of the stations. They are shooting at anyone not even involved in the Fountain Alliance. Including people in n00b ships with no corp. affiliation. Come help fight these new evil or to watch the fight :) |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.07 19:02:00 -
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OMG OMG OMG SUCH LIES
TOTAL LIES!
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.07 19:08:00 -
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What are "people in noob ships" doing in fountain? I suppose they paid to get in too? 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.07 19:13:00 -
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Yeah, the 1M fee left them unable to purchase a decent ship.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Kashej
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Posted - 2003.09.07 19:22:00 -
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and 1M to fly there hunt and mine on their newbee ships? (or was it more)
Good Luck
O(o_o)O - y kotorogo net dryzei.
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PsXDnS
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Posted - 2003.09.07 19:23:00 -
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What are "people in noob ships" doing in fountain? I suppose they paid to get in too?
If this is the case, MASS lost 10 BS's to people in noob ships.
PsXDnS
Sinister Corporation
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NoHawker
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Posted - 2003.09.07 19:24:00 -
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RUS are also pirates... I'll remember that
What are you going to do?
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.09.07 19:35:00 -
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Sinister and RUS got their station blockade broken. But the Fountain Alliance paid a high price. They lost 6 ships while RUS and Sinister only lost 2. Another costly day for the Alliance.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Arathmon
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Posted - 2003.09.07 19:40:00 -
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Sinister and RUS got their station blockade broken. But the Fountain Alliance paid a high price. They lost 6 ships while RUS and Sinister only lost 2. Another costly day for the Alliance.
Keep in mind, of course, the relative size of each side in this conflict. The FA is comprised of many (I've forgotten count) corporations, while Sin/RUS is comprised of... let's see here... ah, two corporations.
So, all in all, if you go by that type of reasong the Sin/RUS guys lost more than the FA forces.
Please note that I am not trying to be disparaging towards either Sin or RUS, as both are quite respectable PvP corporations. I'm just clarifying who lost more, relatively.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.07 20:27:00 -
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17 bships down so far, to our 2..
keep it up chumps...
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2003.09.07 20:29:00 -
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17 to 2....mmmm rape
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sutty
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Posted - 2003.09.07 20:45:00 -
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aye, nice trap guys gg :)
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Leshiy
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Posted - 2003.09.07 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Leshiy on 07/09/2003 20:49:09
Another 11 BS was destroyed in A -1CON in Fontain.17BS=6BS LQL + 11A -1CON
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.07 20:57:00 -
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arathmon we dont have nubs to supply, we are better off..
anyway 17 vs 2? who lost more now eh?
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.09.07 20:58:00 -
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Great. I'm not only miles away from Fountain but also preparing a presentation.
Note to self: keep sunday evenings free of any non-eve tasks 
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.07 21:05:00 -
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OMG i left fountain lastnight, so gutted i missed this :(
-Necro
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tekforce
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Posted - 2003.09.07 21:13:00 -
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The Region Alliances have gone Unchallenged Long Enough, its a good day for the brothers
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.07 21:19:00 -
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Quote:
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Sinister and RUS got their station blockade broken. But the Fountain Alliance paid a high price. They lost 6 ships while RUS and Sinister only lost 2. Another costly day for the Alliance.
Keep in mind, of course, the relative size of each side in this conflict. The FA is comprised of many (I've forgotten count) corporations, while Sin/RUS is comprised of... let's see here... ah, two corporations.
So, all in all, if you go by that type of reasong the Sin/RUS guys lost more than the FA forces.
Please note that I am not trying to be disparaging towards either Sin or RUS, as both are quite respectable PvP corporations. I'm just clarifying who lost more, relatively.
You guys lost more. It's easier to replace 2 battleships than it is to replace 17+. :)
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.09.07 21:31:00 -
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I wonder how many bistot roids respawned in Fountain seeing that all those bships went down there?
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2003.09.07 21:37:00 -
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The Region Alliances have gone Unchallenged Long Enough, its a good day for the brothers
OMG j00 freedomfighter
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.09.07 21:41:00 -
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GG rus ,sinister and m0o was getting kind of boring up here , nothing like large battle to get people motivated again.
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Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:01:00 -
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Yeah I know.
Thank you us.
omg are we good or what.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:07:00 -
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Yes good exploting. well done.
Need some more mining drones?
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:08:00 -
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cry me a riiiivveer......
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:08:00 -
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CME, all i ever hear from you is pathetic excuses.
I sincerley hope your bent over and "penertrated".
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Technolisa
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:10:00 -
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why are u whining ? because 1 of our players used harvester drones ? so what ? we use wichever drones we like , and so does everyone else....
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Arathmon
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:11:00 -
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arathmon we dont have nubs to supply, we are better off..
anyway 17 vs 2? who lost more now eh?
But you do need to supply your alts with new ships every now and again eh?
As for who lost more and who was affected the most, that wasn't my point. My point was that the FA can suffer more losses and still (financially and relatively) come out on top.
Flame away j00 fr33d0mfight3rz!
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Arathmon
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:12:00 -
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why are u whining ? because 1 of our players used harvester drones ? so what ? we use wichever drones we like , and so does everyone else....
Using harvesters during combat is rather iffy, especially when you're waiting for someone to warp in.
But then, I'm just curious what CCP thinks about this and not the insults people are hurling back and forth.
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Technolisa
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:15:00 -
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If using harvesters was forbidden CCP would have let us know long time ago..
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:17:00 -
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dont care tbh u got owned, deal with it...
you can always tell if fountain is getting owned cos evolution wont fight if they are.
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Kashej
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:18:00 -
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Arathmon - true
it take time for us to mine because we do not have so many members/miners, but it doesnt mean it takes days. I guess you know how easy it`s to mine enough minerals for a BS with several Battleships and right organissation, and these 10 miners II we recived wont hurt either.
Good Luck
O(o_o)O - y kotorogo net dryzei.
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Lady Jaxx
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:20:00 -
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If using harvesters was forbidden CCP would have let us know long time ago..
So you're saying RUS has been using that tactic long-term?
Care for some Cabernet Sauvignon with that cheese Lisa?
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:20:00 -
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So. sitting at a drop zone with lots of mining drones out to lag people up, and killing them before they then have control of their ship isnt ganking / exploiting?
do you really think you would have blown a single ship up if you had fought a fight in a fair and normal way? i dont, i think you would have been the ones who where chopped up ruthlessly, except.. we wouldnt have had to stoop low and have to exploit to do it.
Tehel, as for excuses.. no im sorry sunshine, excuses and lies are the realm of TTI not CME.
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Technolisa
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:22:00 -
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yeah we have used harvesters for a long time , when we mine.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:22:00 -
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Please tell me technolisa, what reason there is for having mining drones out in a combat situation?
i can think of only one.
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Arathmon
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:24:00 -
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Can someone who was there just file an exploit petition?
Forums aren't the place to argue about this, because it's just like running in the special olympics: Even if you win, you're still retarded.
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Technolisa
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:26:00 -
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well if u had a brain u would have figured it out long time ago...
But whatahell I'll give u a hint...
Does orbiting drones make it easier for u to target an enemy ship?
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:28:00 -
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Why is no one blaming TTI ?
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Sedsiss
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Sedsiss on 07/09/2003 22:31:38
Hard to fight when your 50 systems away fighting tti and company stavr0s:)
GG all.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:31:00 -
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Does orbiting drones make it easier for u to target an enemy ship?
No, do they make it harder? NO.
Threats window?
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Kashej
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:40:00 -
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Tristan, stupid question..did you ever fight agains more them 5 ppl? Because it seems like you have no idea how it works
Bestower?
Good Luck
O(o_o)O - y kotorogo net dryzei.
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Sick Boy
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:40:00 -
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 Well it wasen¦t a good day in fountain tonight. We lost a lot off ships. All thoose in A1 we lost due to lagg and tactical misstakes made by us... 2 confirmed kills, 1 crippled bs, 1 unconfirmed destruction of bs... was what we could do so far.
RUS/SIN/MOO played the game good, did what they are best at... Nice to se that some off them staid an fought a while at station and diddent run and hide like som peeps i meet resently from a sertain corp..... But we will survive and learn...
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ezra on 07/09/2003 23:02:46
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Sabercat
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:57:00 -
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No excuses from me Sin/Rus. You guys owned us. Today had to be about the most unorganized FA fleet I've ever seen. Pitiful if you ask me. Congrats on the victory
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:59:00 -
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thanks sabrecat, your mature attitude is a welcome sight.
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.09.07 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ezra on 07/09/2003 23:03:24
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Sabercat
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Posted - 2003.09.07 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Sabercat on 07/09/2003 23:06:01
Exactly. We tried to tell them not to jump to that A1 system but they didn't listen. So we deserved what we got.
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.09.07 23:07:00 -
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thanks sabrecat, your mature attitude is a welcome sight.
Shame you and ther other Corps who "owned" Stain can't have the same attitude, eh?
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.07 23:22:00 -
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ooh flame me yeah baby it makes me horneh!
unf unf!
Stav who likes whips and chains
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Revolution
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Posted - 2003.09.07 23:29:00 -
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17 bships is pretty uber killing stz :P
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Technolisa
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Posted - 2003.09.07 23:36:00 -
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yeah , thats what I call M..M..M..MONSTER KILL..KILL..
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.09.07 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: Asmodia on 07/09/2003 23:44:55
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Please tell me technolisa, what reason there is for having mining drones out in a combat situation?
i can think of only one.
look on the attributes . they can make damage.. maybe thats the reason ...
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Shamrock
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Posted - 2003.09.08 00:22:00 -
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that wasn't funny to hear the report of 17 fa bs lost.
i was like "you gotta friggin be kidding me?!"
nice hit and run along with the trap ya'll laid in a-1con. gotta have some respect for those skills and communication because ya'll were seriously outnumbered.
now i know how venal felt. :P
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Javi
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Posted - 2003.09.08 00:54:00 -
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i wasn't there but from what i've heard, it was a well laid trap. FA, pls suck it up and give some congrats rather than cry about it.
gg mo0/sin/rus.
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2003.09.08 01:26:00 -
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Javi:
You sure seemed to miss half of the posts, didn't you?
I sorry I missed all the fun. I came back as we were getting organised and the enemy started to log off. Maybe we can play a bit tomorrow. With real fighters this time? 
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Lord Fat
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Posted - 2003.09.08 01:28:00 -
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HAAARRR!!!
HAHAHAHAAA
we kill good 2-day!
oi, cops comming!
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Javi
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Posted - 2003.09.08 02:16:00 -
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nah i read em all but... exploit or not that was a well laid trap.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.09.08 02:47:00 -
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Haha!
Last week, I heard about FA's laughable 1mil isk per person per week fee, and this week I heard about the FA's unorganized task force and severe losses.
Good work Critical Mass! ;)
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.09.08 02:55:00 -
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Vacuole, you plank, why the good work critical mass? the FA is not just CME, infact most of the force involved in this where other FA corps. CME lost two Tempests, minerals are there already for them to be built again.
big frikken deal.
Remind me to shoot you sometime.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.09.08 03:03:00 -
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Well, because you seem to be the leader of the mass-winage I guess.
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RaYmOnD
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Posted - 2003.09.08 07:06:00 -
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Edited by: Sabercat on 07/09/2003 23:06:01
Exactly. We tried to tell them not to jump to that A1 system but they didn't listen. So we deserved what we got.
I agree, but we had fun A shame they wouldn't listen.
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Leshiy
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Posted - 2003.09.08 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: Leshiy on 08/09/2003 07:31:20
Heh I want to sum up the things about our mining drones.
Yes one of our guys(Mad Den) use 3 or 4 mining drones because he haven't battle drones.Later when we take some loot from destroyed BS he use only combat drones.Thats all.
No one else dont using mining drones.
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2003.09.08 08:05:00 -
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Edited by: SlightlyMad on 08/09/2003 08:08:49
Well.. blowing up people jumping that are lagged for a minute isn't that much of an impressive thing. Is it? Your trap was nice though. But this game makes it impossibe to fight and have fun
Its too bad that this game actually makes it impossible to fight in big fleets
You either defend, giving you a minute of free shots to slaughter enemies warping in. Or.. you warp in yourself, attacking, and sit a minute and patiently wait to see what happened. There usually a good chance that you are a pod :/
imo
There exist no "fair" fights in EVE when attacking. You either go there with enough force to crush the opponent or you don't go at all.
I am truly bothered by the lag in battles.. it must be fixed or I will give up this game. Because big fleet battles is what I want to do in this game and if I can't do that, I might as well find something else to occupy myself with
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Da'Tol
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Posted - 2003.09.08 09:47:00 -
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Nice to hear they got spanked.
so what he had some harvestors out, if he would have had Combat Drones out instead it would have hurt a whole lot more - so don't ***** about the lag the drones create.
There is no law against drones in combat even if harvestors seems to be ranking in pretty low on the "best drones to use in combat"-scale :)
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Leyla
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:02:00 -
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We wanted to buy their 1 million isk day pass, but they wouldn't sell to us... Guess we took a tour of Fountain anyways ;)
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Kashej
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Posted - 2003.09.08 10:06:00 -
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We wanted to buy their 1 million isk day pass, but they wouldn't sell to us... Guess we took a tour of Fountain anyways ;)
hahaha
Good Luck
O(o_o)O - y kotorogo net dryzei.
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Coffee Girl
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:24:00 -
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The only reason why it looks so bad is due to the retarded FA Tactics. "Yes, lets wap to them while they are camped out waiting with drones etc. We won't lag, no 1 can lag in Eve". I can't help be feel disapointed to be part of FA if they make clearly stupid moves like that. Not supposed non of the big corps where there as they prob know what was gonna happen ;). I bet if all EVOL/Xan/CNX where there, the ybe the only corps with no losess as those corps about use there loaf
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:52:00 -
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I agree with former poster
It was in fact the unorganised and irrational part of the FA that got "spanked". People not paying attention to the security channel etc
AND
Fact stands still that many people actually participating in the first hour of battle was either miners with guns, or just unlucky people not knowing what was going on.
You have yet to take care of the FA part that actually have trained a lot of combat skills.
You can't expect much resistance from people with refining efficieny lvl 5 and mining lvl 5, even if they do have a BS 
sin/m0o/rus started to log off when we actually managed to scramble a fleet with fighters that could rival yours. What would have happened then we will never know. But maybe we will find out in due time.
I don't deny sin/m0o/rus having excellent fighters and tactics. Because they do. But fact still stands that most of the initial resistance was made up of farmers with pitchforks trying to defend
And they got owned 
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KIPPAN
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:54:00 -
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Just so other people know. The drone lag was incredible. I warped in to YZ Moon 1 and thought the game froze or something. Was just about to reboot my computer when suddenly it unfroze and I had a (friendly :) lock on me. I can't understand why CCP can't make vessles invisible until the client is loaded, by making the client signal the server when it is.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:02:00 -
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hmmm.... interesting idea, the problem is that since the client is lagged to ****e, then you would have the people entering seeing the people camping before the campers have a chance to attack and ambush their prey.
A better idea would be to buy a server in the US where we can have people play games (even from europe) and not die a slow death from overeating while waiting for the game to work.
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KIPPAN
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: KIPPAN on 08/09/2003 12:23:44
No, I didn't see **** while the client was frozen (loading all the drones). When all data is loaded in the client it starts to render it. That will also take time on slower computers. That's not what I'm taking about though.
Possible solution:
1. Client loads data
2. Client sends load data complete
3. Server makes you visible to other clients
4. Server tells client to render
5. Client renders environment
6. Game continues
I'm not sure how the game works but some variant of this procedure should take care of the lag problem. Fix this, NOW!
So what, if the warp-ins can see the gate campers before they do? They still have to wait before they are able to issue a new warp command. Warp-ins will have very little time to react (a fighting chance though) but you think thats enough to justify the campers advantage of 45 seconds lock and destroy...
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:43:00 -
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I don't get it. Why would an entire fleet of ships warp into a drone lagged position of ships - suicide. Did someone not get with in scanner range and check for large sums of drones first?
I would hope FA would have strategic bookmarks setup through out their systems to scan from.
17 battle ships is a huge loss.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Mitchman
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Posted - 2003.09.08 13:30:00 -
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It wasn't warp-in, it was jump-in thru a stargate. A bit harder to control where you end up.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.09.08 13:37:00 -
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"It wasn't warp-in, it was jump-in thru a stargate. A bit harder to control where you end up."
Okay, that explains a ton. A foul but clever tactic. I say tactic because GMs have officially stated having combat drones deployed in mass is not an exploit. Now if it was mass harvestor drones  .....
CCP needs to give the option to turn of drone/ship rendering with the ability to keep just the tracking cursors on them.
But still, I thought it was common practice to have just one ship jump into a system first to make sure the jump in point was clear.
Live and learn. I hope you all recover from the loss quickly.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:04:00 -
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I highly doubt that the server in Iceland is the problem, the coding is, according to CCP we will see improve next patch
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:11:00 -
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The server is in london, in Londons docklands, sat on a backbone.
it would not matter if the server cluster was in space, this issue affects EVERYONE. i live in England, i still get it. So move the server cluster why not, and it would still behave the same. i suggest you try tracert your connection to the cluster and see just how many hops it is, it might suprise you.
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toccz
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:28:00 -
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But still, I thought it was common practice to have just one ship jump into a system first to make sure the jump in point was clear.
Live and learn. I hope you all recover from the loss quickly.
Wretch, when you jump gates you can land on different spawnpoints. We sended a scout, he landed safe, then others jumped the gate to him, but landed on another spawnpoint where RUS/m0o/Sinister were...
But I landed safe, I was lucky that time :D
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