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Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.03.09 22:43:00 - [1] now, with the litle cap usage and fitting reqs but their huge bonusses these thingies have become a mandatory on bses, but also on ceptors it seems. lets look at a taranis, which has 700 hull, now with an dmg control, it has more resistances on its shield and armor, but with the added hullresistances (which are more then t1 resisances, 50% to hull) its a tough tank for an ceptor. now thats nice for ppl flying taranises, but not for ppl flyin other ceptors ;), a crow has just 300 hull, the other ceptors are also around that. a suggestion for that could be to up the cap usage, like 4cap per second!, wouldnt hurt a bs, noticeable on a cruiser and devastating on a frig. another solution would b to give all frigs the same amount of hull, remmeber, hulltankin 4tw now. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Kye Kenshin	Posted - 2006.03.09 22:45:00 - [2] I never thought about using them on frigs. Thanks for the idea mate
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.03.09 22:47:00 - [3] Yes, its disproportionally powerful for the Tarranis. Pointed this out beforehand :/ Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.03.09 22:49:00 - [4] id prefer, next to the cap changes if ccp would put the hull resistances to 30 for the t1`s, they too powerful imo, a module that is a must to fit, is broken. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Cuebick	Posted - 2006.03.09 22:50:00 - [5] The Crusader has about 670hull ____________________________________
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.03.09 22:54:00 - [6] Yes these modules need to use more cap, I was concerned about the 1 cap every 30 seconds thing when they showed up on Singularity (because if cap use is going to be THAT low, why not make it passive? ) Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
Woopie	Posted - 2006.03.09 23:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Yes these modules need to use more cap, I was concerned about the 1 cap every 30 seconds thing when they showed up on Singularity (because if cap use is going to be THAT low, why not make it passive? ) It was a rather lame fix to prevent people from fitting multiple damage controls. I personally thought a geddon with 20K structure (4-5 local bulkheads) and 3-4 damage controls with 85%+ structure resist was hilarious
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.03.10 05:46:00 - [8] mm, maybe a dev can respond to this? would b much appreciated. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.03.10 06:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists mm, maybe a dev can respond to this? would b much appreciated. Well there most likely won't be a dev response unless this thread gains entire pages. If the thread sinks and doesn't resurface I'll bug report it, because I find this to be an issue. Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
Vmir Gallahasen	Posted - 2006.03.10 06:37:00 - [10] Quote: The Typhoon class battleship has an unusually strong structural integrity for a Minmatar ship. Special Ability: 5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret firing speed and 10% to Large Projectile Turret optimal range per level. I demand that this be nerfed immediately, because the typhoon gets a disproportionate advantage! Sarcasm aside though, you really just consider what else might go into that slot. Frigates don't have as many slots as a cruiser or battleship, so giving up a mapc or a plate for a damage control might not be a great idea. Don't forget that the taranis has good hull hitpoints because it's also fairly slow And oh yeah. Interceptors don't make great tanks You get smacked down with a nos or a few precision missiles and an extra 400 hull hitpoints doesn't prevent the result ... Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip New sig coming soonÖ
Lorette	Posted - 2006.03.10 06:37:00 - [11] meh gall have to get some benefit to their huge hull values, im guessing it brings down other stats...
Livia Tarquina	Posted - 2006.03.10 07:22:00 - [12] This might score one for the ares since it has 4 low slots compared to 3 for the taranis. ducks "Big guns and heavy armor what else is there?" --Amarrian Admiral before entering battle against Jove Navy
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.03.10 07:40:00 - [13] when u fght frig against frig a tank maters, also when a few drones are after u ;) a dmg control is better then a 200mm plate, on a taranis that is, cause u double ur hull, plus u get more resistances on shield and armour - and a plate makes u less agil, a dmg ctrl doesnt. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Monkar	Posted - 2006.03.10 08:16:00 - [14] Edited by: Monkar on 10/03/2006 08:16:06 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists when u fght frig against frig a tank maters, also when a few drones are after u ;) a dmg control is better then a 200mm plate, on a taranis that is, cause u double ur hull, plus u get more resistances on shield and armour - and a plate makes u less agil, a dmg ctrl doesnt. So take advantage of the fact that: it has less powerfull weapons or the same with less damage mod. (replacing a Grid Module or replacing a mag stab for Dmg Ctrl) or that it has less cap regen. (replacing a cpr for Dmg Ctrl) or that it has less speed. (replacing a speed module for dmg ctrl). Instead of just whining.
Naxie	Posted - 2006.03.10 11:37:00 - [15] The reason these are not passive is because if they were, they would need to give the bonuses that various skills give to passive hardeners, hence the devs have made them low slot and active in principle only. I personally do not see whats wrong with them. They give a spread of resistance so dont ramping up any one attribute very much and use a low slot making it unavailable for any dedicated armor/dmg mod.
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.03.10 11:39:00 - [16] monkar, the reason for this topic is that its better to use instead of the mods u adviced in about every situations on a frig, also on a bs not sure bout a cruiser. as i said before, if a module is a must to fit its broken. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.10 11:43:00 - [17] I don't think it is SOOO good on taranis. I rather have repair ability and plate... because there are no remote hull reppers and in most regions you cannot dock:) Originally by: Commander Nikolas People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS. Antipiracy is causing brain damage
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2006.03.10 11:47:00 - [18] Hey, any module that makes the Ares less of a doorstop is ok by me.
Oro Masut	Posted - 2006.03.10 11:58:00 - [19] Hulltanking ftw ! ...you can run away, you will just die tired.
Rei Toai	Posted - 2006.03.10 12:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists monkar, the reason for this topic is that its better to use instead of the mods u adviced in about every situations on a frig, also on a bs not sure bout a cruiser. as i said before, if a module is a must to fit its broken. the bold part: QFT on topic ... do you know how often such damage controls are used?? i'm not sure about it, but i think they are most of the time a second-rate choice ... so i don't think it's atm a "must have" module ... i won't be annoyed if you prove me wrong
Porro	Posted - 2006.03.10 12:13:00 - [21] Edited by: Porro on 10/03/2006 12:15:14 You're complaining that a taranis has more structure than the other inties? Nice. Damage controls are a major + for gallente as we've had a mass amount of structure on every ship for ages. ---------------------------------------------------- (22:01:14) (Sangxianc) you, porro, have madder skillzors than i, sang, do
Monkar	Posted - 2006.03.10 12:44:00 - [22] 10mn AB's were also considered a "Must have Module" as you say... i never used one... ever. Didn't see to have much problems... infact most of the time i used to pwn the other inties... simply because i capitalized on the weakness... lesser speed. You seemed to have worked it out halfways... you only considered the bonuses to a ship with 3 lows... not even considering the negative aspect of fitting one.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.10 13:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Porro Edited by: Porro on 10/03/2006 12:15:14 You're complaining that a taranis has more structure than the other inties? Nice. Damage controls are a major + for gallente as we've had a mass amount of structure on every ship for ages. but you get no tradeoff for the hull HP, it was pretty much ok as long it was only a few HP, but with damage controls
Asnar	Posted - 2006.03.10 13:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Porro Edited by: Porro on 10/03/2006 12:15:14 You're complaining that a taranis has more structure than the other inties? Nice. Damage controls are a major + for gallente as we've had a mass amount of structure on every ship for ages. but you get no tradeoff for the hull HP, it was pretty much ok as long it was only a few HP, but with damage controls The trade off is the lower shield and armour HP Gallente got. And how exactly do you adapt to potentially getting killed by everybody you kill? -Nero Scuro If I miss you, it will be because my tracking is a little off. - Grey Area
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.10 13:55:00 - [25] "The trade off is the lower shield and armour HP Gallente got." Well... * Crow: 469 shield + 219 armour = 688 hp * Taranis: 281 shield + 406 armour = 687 hp literally 1 hp less is hardly enough to justify 2x the struct amount (313 vs 625)
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2006.03.10 14:04:00 - [26] Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 10/03/2006 14:04:35 Originally by: j0sephine "The trade off is the lower shield and armour HP Gallente got." Well... * Crow: 469 shield + 219 armour = 688 hp * Taranis: 281 shield + 406 armour = 687 hp literally 1 hp less is hardly enough to justify 2x the struct amount (313 vs 625) Gimme your speed and mass and i ll trade you my structure. Pain is meant to be felt
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.10 14:18:00 - [27] "Gimme your speed and mass and i ll trade you my structure." Heh that's another story altogether ^^ was replying to the "it's okay because we have less shield/armour" not "it's okay because we are fat and slow" ;s

Tuxford	Posted - 2006.03.10 14:27:00 - [28] Damage controls don't make Gallente uber. In fact I would say that Amarr would benefit the most from them, and I'll explain why. At first you might look at the 50% increase in hull resistance and think, "wow that in effect doubles your hull hitpoints" but you only get 10% resistance from damage controls so that's only 1/0.9 = 11.11%. But there is a difference between an increase in untanked and tanked hitpoints. Lets say all 4 interceptors (Crow, Crusader, Claw and Taranis) are all taking 10% em damage per second. They have damage control II active. Their survival time can be calculated like this. T = hull_hp/(hull_resonance10) + shield_cap/(shield_resonance10) + armor_hp/(armor_resonance*10) For EM Claw (not surprisingly) gets the most benefit from this as it would survive for 439.5 seconds. The Crusader one would survive for 392.4 sec, Taranis for 384.2 sec and Crow for 245.33 sec. Here the Claw, a Minmatar ship, gets the most out of it because of it's naturally high em armor resistance so it's getting a relatively small boost to a heavily tanked damage type. You don't get the same results for other damage types but for fun I can tell you which ships benefit the most from each damage type that is being done to them. EM - Claw > Crusader > Taranis > Crow EX - Crusader > Taranis > Claw > Crow KN - Taranis > Crusader > Claw > Crow TH - Taranis > Crusader > Claw > Crow I would say that Taranis and Crusader benefit the most from Damage Controls then Claw and then Crow. This didn't take in fact the natural recharge of shield though but I don't think it will make a huge impact. _______________

Sonreir	Posted - 2006.03.10 14:34:00 - [29] Wow... sucks to be a Crow pilot. :P
DeadRow	Posted - 2006.03.10 14:38:00 - [30] fecking alt Originally by: Eris Discordia TAKE COVER, HIDE YOUR SIGNATURE

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