With their decreased sig and massive dps/EHP buff, they can murder cruisers and some BCs now, that's a bit overpowered in my opinion. An AB thrasher can solo any med-sized gunship if they can orbit close and kill its drones.

Yeah it seems the OP is entirely missing the point of Destroyers.

Destroyers are support ships, not solopwnmachines (besides the Thrasher)

If one ship does not fit the ship's class, there is a problem. in this case, yeah, destroyers as a group need buffed. But that needs to happen in a way that doesnt leave everything in space named "thrasher."

Silas

With their decreased sig and massive dps/EHP buff, they can murder cruisers and some BCs now, that's a bit overpowered in my opinion. An AB thrasher can solo any med-sized gunship if they can orbit close and kill its drones.

Apparently the SiSi catalyst can be fit for 650DPS at the moment. That is ridiculous and on par with a decently fit BC.

Keep the ROF penalty, or at least part of it and massively boost the tracking to keep these as an anti-frig boat instead of cheap disposable DPS platforms.

ok it dose 650dps how much tank dose it have

OH WAIT IT DOSNT HAVE A TANK

quit crying about it you whining babies and just SHOOT IT

With their decreased sig and massive dps/EHP buff, they can murder cruisers and some BCs now, that's a bit overpowered in my opinion. An AB thrasher can solo any med-sized gunship if they can orbit close and kill its drones.

Yes. I found the same. You can actually use a destroyer to solo cruisers now as well. So, a BIT overpowered.

You can solo cruisers in some frigates. Let's nerf them also.

I just have one question:

Which will we see first
1) "OMG NERF DESTROYERS!!!!111" whine threads
2) " OMG BUFF MY AF/SHINY BECAUSE THEY DIE TO DESTROYERS!!!!!111" whine threads
3)" I DEMAND ALL STATS ON MY DIC TO BE AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN T1!!!!111" whine threads

The sig buff and hp buff was a mistake for sure. ROF buff is all dessies needed.

probs 2 because people are already screaming that while their AFs are capable of getting kills, 3 seems unlikely cause dic pilots tend not to be amongst the lowest common denomenator of eve pilots.)

tbf if they take away the RoF bonus they should make sig BIGGER to make there be a strong sense of order in the universe in which big ships **** dessies and dessies **** frigs. i'm not saying that because i think bigger ships should always win, i'm say that because it is the core concept behind destroyers. let frigates keep their monopoly on being ******* annoying to hit from bigger ships.

Since there doesn't seem to be a thread on this, I'll start one. IMO, the changes currently on SiSi are massively over the top; the new destroyers are so good as to render almost all frigates pointless. This is largely because of the removal of the ROF penalty As it stands on TQ, a thrasher is a credible threat to almost any frigate, t1 or t2; the problem is that the others fall some way short. However, this isn't really for want of (potential) DPS; it's much more to do with a lack of fitting room and, in the case of the catalyst and coercer, slot layout. As it stands, the changes don't address the core issue with the coercer (ships with one mid: still stupid and pointless after all these years) and go way overboard with the other three. The aim should have been to leave the thrasher more or less unchanged and bring the other three up to its level rather than boosting them all some way above it. My fear is that if the SiSi changes go live on TQ, they're going to kill off a lot of the variety in frigate pvp without really having any beneficial effects on diversity in larger fleets.

TL;DR: keep the increased fitting room and sig radius reduction, restore the ROF penalty, give the coercer a second mid.

After playing around I have to agree that SISI destroyers are likely to kill off variety in frig PVP. Keeping the fitting and sig bonus is good. I would halv the RoF penalty instead of getting rid of it completely though.

Since there doesn't seem to be a thread on this, I'll start one. IMO, the changes currently on SiSi are massively over the top; the new destroyers are so good as to render almost all frigates pointless. This is largely because of the removal of the ROF penalty As it stands on TQ, a thrasher is a credible threat to almost any frigate, t1 or t2; the problem is that the others fall some way short. However, this isn't really for want of (potential) DPS; it's much more to do with a lack of fitting room and, in the case of the catalyst and coercer, slot layout. As it stands, the changes don't address the core issue with the coercer (ships with one mid: still stupid and pointless after all these years) and go way overboard with the other three. The aim should have been to leave the thrasher more or less unchanged and bring the other three up to its level rather than boosting them all some way above it. My fear is that if the SiSi changes go live on TQ, they're going to kill off a lot of the variety in frigate pvp without really having any beneficial effects on diversity in larger fleets.

TL;DR: keep the increased fitting room and sig radius reduction, restore the ROF penalty, give the coercer a second mid.

One small change I'd make is a slight tweak to destroyer sig radius to make them more vulnerable to cruiser-scale weaponry. They should be deadly against frigates, but very vulnerable to larger ships.

It would have been nice to have done something that closed the achievment gap between thrashers and all others.

Thrasher already was pretty balanced in the sub-cruiser catagory. Most of these changes exceed balance.

but whatever. There is no official feedback thread so either CCP doesnt care or we are getting trolled with the current changes.

I just have one question:

Which will we see first
1) "OMG NERF DESTROYERS!!!!111" whine threads
2) " OMG BUFF MY AF/SHINY BECAUSE THEY DIE TO DESTROYERS!!!!!111" whine threads
3)" I DEMAND ALL STATS ON MY DIC TO BE AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN T1!!!!111" whine threads

Coercer still only has one mid slot

it just isn't fair.

I think no ships should have ONLY 1 med slot, or all ships of that hull type should ONLY have 1, it just isn't fair.

Someone please show me I am wrong, but iirc only the amarr have ships with 1 med slot.

As you already change destroyers , could you make them balanced between the class? like caldai should have that high signature compared to the matar , they are both shield tankers , ....

Yes. I found the same. You can actually use a destroyer to solo cruisers now as well. So, a BIT overpowered.

since frigs are currently a class without a real counter.

While the balancing change is welcome, this made the already superiour thrasher even better. THis character is gallnte, has **** projectiles skills and **** shield skills, and still finds t1 fitted thrasher more effective than any other t2 fitted destroyer. THis is wrong.

Kind of feels like an interdictor nerf though.

Yes. I found the same. You can actually use a destroyer to solo cruisers now as well. So, a BIT overpowered.