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raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 332	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:10:00 - [1] - Quote I wondered how was EVE preparing to face the might of David Braben's latest work on the Elite series. But then I looked at EVE's latest patch pictures and I saw what they did there! These new mobile structures, the Mobile Depot and the Mobile Siphon Unit... where have I seen this kind of design? Maybe in some of Elite: Dangerous ships like the Sidewinder, the Viper or even the Cobra??? What about the new ISIS guide? Wait a minute... I think I've seen something from Elite: Dangerous like that aswell... was it the starmap? Yes, I remember it now! Omg, even EVE's website front page now has a yellow button like the Elite: Dangerous' site and it's new store! ED webmasters even had to change their button's color to orange to stay original! This attempt to clone Elite:Dangerous assets comes as another sign of serious confidence loss within CCP's direction, despite claims made by its CEO in this interview, where he states that "It's easy to go and look at all the new shiny things that are coming but we don't want to be doing that. We want to stick to our guns". It's somewhat understandable that CCP's stakeholders might be afraid to lose costumers to a game like Elite, the godfather of space trading and combat simulators and a pioneer in 3d computer graphics and procedural generation, that served as role model for EVE Online itself aswell as other games like Wing Commander and Freelancer. ED's early backer rewards program has recently closed with over 40.000 backers donating over -ú2 million pounds of crowdfunding swag. The alpha build is now live. (If you aren't lucky enough to be one of the backers with Alpha build access, you can check this twitch feed for streamers.) Open world sandbox and space simulation fans are highly optimistic about the game and anxious to get their hands on the final release. And it's not for less. The game is looking gorgeous and will give players the freedom to roam/resource gather/trade/pirate/fight in more than 100 billion procedurally generated star systems (including our own) with moving celestials, real 1:1 scale and physics. Oculus Rift support is currently working on the alpha build, future expansions confirmed by Braben include avatar gameplay, atmospheric entry and planet landing/exploration. The game will have no monthly fees but they do plan on charging for these expansions. Early backers who funded -ú80 or more will have free access to all of them, besides the satisfaction of knowing they helped once more to kick big publishers in the nuts with another epic crowdfunded project Will this game kill EVE? Will we abandon New Eden forever? Of course not, but it will surely hurt CCP's finances, not only by attracting a lot of its current playerbase but also by offering a fresh and high quality game to the space sandbox MMO genre newcomers. EVE could be top dog in the industry by offering a top quality product to the players, but CCP decided to pursue other ventures and is now playing catch-up with its new competition. Care to share your thoughts? Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 355	Posted - 2013.12.26 23:43:00 - [2] - Quote One of the things that sparked my interest for Elite when I heard about it was the procedurally generated universe. Check out the link on the bottom of that page if you'd like to see how how Elite uses the Fibonacci sequence for procedural content generation. Fibonacci was an Italian mathematician in the 13th century who discovered a way to generate apparently random numbers using a simple formula. It is a powerful mathematical tool that explains how patterns in nature work, and Elite developers initially used it in their game to cope with limited memory problems while trying to create galaxies to play in a BBC Micro with 18kB of memory. To play a game using this content creation technique is surely an experience worth having. Reminded me of this movie about a paranoid mathematician who does computational research on Pi to try to find patterns in nature. He kind of gets a moment of clarity when he meets this Jewish numerologist who tells him about the Torah, associates it with the Fibonacci sequence and the golden ratio. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 383	Posted - 2013.12.29 05:33:00 - [3] - Quote Here's another feature EVE is trying to copy from Elite: the anti-griefing mechanism (and lack of there of in outlawed space). I'm sure you've heard by now about CCP's "Hallelujah plan", the 3 year production roadmap that will "put more power in the hands of the capsuleers by letting them take control over NPC empire space". The next major patch containing this change in the mechanics of highsec space (where a player who doesn't have a criminal security status and who's not engaged in war is always protected by Concord and Empire forces against aggressors) will most likely go live a couple of days before the official Elite: Dangerous launch. In Elite: Dangerous' gameplay "Players will choose how much they interact with others,[3] from completely offline play to something approaching an MMO.[4][5] The extensively procedurally generated universe is expected to be vast both in scope and detail, perhaps allowing players to fly down into a unique cloudscape for every planet of every size in a universe containing hundreds of billions stars.[6][7] Unlike previous games in the series, procedural generation of economic and political aspects of the universe will be based largely on player input, so for example a concerted campaign by players against a star system could destabilise the local government, turning it from a stable system into an anarchic one.[8] Many elements of previous games will be retained, with the most playable parts taken from each.[9] For example, space flight will be more like the original Elite,[10][11] whereas players will be able to buy and customise ships like in the Frontier games.[12][13] The creators have often noted how the previous games lend themselves naturally to modern online gaming - for example, destroying an innocent ship has always led to a criminal record and to police attention in systems rich enough to afford law enforcement, which would provide a powerful anti-griefing mechanism in a multiplayer game." Elite: Dangerous Dev Diary 2- How the Galaxy will Evolve Over Time Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 385	Posted - 2013.12.30 09:52:00 - [4] - Quote I would dare saying that the other major feature on the "Hallelujah plan" (the introduction of a new type of space to be colonized by capsuleers who can build a new type of stargate to reach it) will be an attempt from CCP to intruduce procedurally generated solar systems in EVE, but since no official details have been released about that feature yet, I will refrain myself from speculating on it. Instead, I will gift you another nice trinket I found while watching the new Dust514 Uprising 1.7 feature video! You know how they say... Christmas might be gone, but it can be any day you want it to be! Is it me, or that planet map looks like a copy of the 1984 Elite one? Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 390	Posted - 2014.01.11 14:59:00 - [5] - Quote And yet another Elite: Dangerous feature copied by CCP - the ship's cockpit radar! EVE: Valkyrie's ship cockpit BEFORE Elite: Dangerous' alpha EVE: Valkyrie's ship cockpit AFTER Elite: Dangerous' alpha What, you thought that was it? No more copying from Elite and sticking to their own guns from now on? Hah, don't fool yourself capsuleers! It's easy to look at new shiny things that are coming out, and CCPeers need fresh ideas while developing their new EVE: Valkyrie simulator! Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 394	Posted - 2014.02.01 12:43:00 - [6] - Quote Quick update on Elite: Dangerous' status - Dev Diary #10 - Released The latest dev diary video has been released announcing the release of the Alpha phase 2.0GÇô Multiplayer build. In it David talks about other Alpha phases we will be releasing before the game progresses to Beta. You can view the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIrcOLEdrvw - Alpha Phase Two - Multiplayer The Alpha Phase Two is ready! We are currently testing it locally and early next week Alpha players will be able to download the multiplayer phase of our Alpha build. We will email you directly as it goes live. In addition to the existing single player combat scenarios there will be four new scenarios in a totally new location. You can expect: Factions: Two sides battling it out Capital Ship Defense: Defend a damaged Federal Battlecruiser against numerous foe Miners and Law Men: Protect or pirate miners going about their business, you choose how you want to play! Free for all: battle it out in an, all against all, melee Player can also earn credits in each scenario that can be used to purchase ship loadouts. This is an incredibly exciting and important phase in the development of Elite: Dangerous - player stat tracking, the multiplayer networking code and associated management are all big new systems that are being tested with this build, plus it's the first time we will be able to test how the game mechanics will perform with significant numbers of players all playing at the same time. - Approaching Beta Many of you have been asking us when we will be releasing the Beta. It will be released when each phase of the Alpha has been released and we've acted on the feedback we get from it. As David mentioned in Dev Diary #10 after next week's Alpha 2.0 we still have 2 major Alpha releases to roll out before we reach the Premium Beta stage; Outfitting, Travel & Trading. (source - Elite: Dangerous' Newsletter #16) Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 394	Posted - 2014.02.01 12:45:00 - [7] - Quote Huh, I don't know about you guys, but to me this game is looking like it's gonna hit the spot in a way that EVE won't be able to in the next 20 years. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 404	Posted - 2014.04.27 20:11:00 - [8] - Quote Quick update on Elite: Dangerous' status In this issue weGÇÖll be taking a look at one of the most important features of Elite: Dangerous; Trading. We go into detail on how we have been able to handle the complexities of developing a galactic trading market with the help of GÇÿMiniEliteGÇÖ and the economies and commodities you can expect to encounter and trade with in Alpha 4. This weekend is also your last chance to purchase Alpha access. Details of this are in the GÇÿStart Playing TodayGÇÖ section. In this newsletter: Table of Contents (click subject to jump forward): http://elitedangerous.co.uk/newsletter/20#1 Sneak Peak - Planetary Rings Cool Running part 2 Start Playing Today Comms Chatter Mostly Harmless Questions source: Elite: Dangerous newsletter #20 Elite: Dangerous newsletter #20 Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 411	Posted - 2014.04.30 13:36:00 - [9] - Quote Snagletooth Johnson wrote: Elite D Vs Eve SC Vs Eve Eve is so hardcore, it's committing non-consensual PvP on other games! You got it wrong, it's the other games that are commiting non-consensual PvP on EVE while it's trying to get some isk. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 411	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:40:00 - [10] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: Seems like the OP is still very much butt hurt about being banned. EVE Online forum The Rules 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited. The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. 26. Off-topic posting is prohibited. Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.

raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 411	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:52:00 - [11] - Quote I expected you to have better arguments than that. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 411	Posted - 2014.04.30 17:44:00 - [12] - Quote Quick update on Elite: Dangerous' status: Backers: 46,872 Funds Raised: -ú2,641,582 (USD $4,226,531) Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 411	Posted - 2014.04.30 17:52:00 - [13] - Quote Samued Ryan wrote: Elite was a big influence on the original concept of EVE Online. Though now Elite is back in the market I expect EVE to try and downplay it's ancestry. Lol that and trying to copy some of Elite's features and assets while hoping it will pass under their player's radar... ridiculous. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 421	Posted - 2014.05.04 05:25:00 - [14] - Quote Quick update on Elite: Dangerous' status In this issue we are going even deeper into some of the features you will see in Alpha 4 and we announce the date of the final stage of the Alpha process. We explain how Alpha 4 manages to deliver the entire galaxy using Cobra, FrontierGÇÖs proprietary 64-bit enabled software technology. We also look at the night sky as seen in Elite: Dangerous and explain the different and dangerous modes of travelling through our vast Galaxy. Table of Contents (click subject to jump forward): In-coming - Alpha 4 release date announced Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymoreGÇª Alpha 4: Bo+¦tes Camp The Need for Speed Peek of the Week Comms Chatter Mostly Harmless Questions Available Now! source: Elite: Dangerous newsletter #21 Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 421	Posted - 2014.05.04 05:51:00 - [15] - Quote Really hyped for this game. Keep getting blown away by David Braben and Frontier Developments' impressive computational genius and game development expertise. Their usage of procedural and rendering techniques, the fidelity and efficiency of their game engine... the 400 billion star systems contained in the Alpha 4 release, the means of travel that Commanders are able to use to travel among them and the gameplay possibilities that are opening up! Truly amazing stuff. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 459	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:44:00 - [16] - Quote Quick update on Elite: Dangerous' status In this issue we learn how the Pilots Federation formed, and hear more about the three power blocs at large in the Galaxy. We also take a deeper look at the star systems centered around the Bo+¦tes constellation that make up the five spectacular systems you will encounter in Alpha 4. Table of Contents (click subject to jump forward): In-coming - Sneak Peek of the Week Badge of Honor Introducing the Galactic Power Blocs Alpha 4: Bo+¦tes Camp Part 2 Start Playing Today! Comms Chatter Mostly Harmless Questions A Tribute to Colin Pillinger source: Elite: Dangerous newsletter #22 Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 464	Posted - 2014.05.18 16:12:00 - [17] - Quote Elite: Dangerous newsletter #23 is out! Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 466	Posted - 2014.05.19 17:54:00 - [18] - Quote ISquishWorms wrote: This game is beginning to look very tempting. I love what I have seen of it thus far. My only criticism is that do you think it has enough tooltips? Maybe not... the ammount of spreadsheets seems to be lacking aswell when compared to EVE Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 470	Posted - 2014.05.21 01:50:00 - [19] - Quote Aoife Fraoch wrote: I am just about ready to pay for beta access for elite, especially after seeing the extended trade game play in alpha 4. I doubt this will replace eve for me. different games, different skill sets, different things I like, e.g, the stalking and planning aspect of eve pvp v twitch dogfighting. Interestingly, there is a real contrast between people looking forward to elite and people looking forward to star citizen. one group appears sane and fairly relaxed, the other resembles a cult. What a shame you did not pay for it before December the 8th. You'd have gotten all the cool rewards, including free access to any and all expansions futurely released by Frontier. Well, I can see something in common between many tinfoil wearing individuals who kept trying to bash both projects with negativity and skepticism. I'm not saying this is your case, but they'll get laughed at when they too go back and play the games without getting the early backer rewards. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 470	Posted - 2014.05.21 10:04:00 - [20] - Quote Aoife Fraoch wrote: Have a look at the description for the premium beta package. I just find it interesting comparing the hype and conversation that surrounds the two projects. Personally I think they both look interesting. I think I do prefer the approach and development methodology elite has taken though. From my own experiences working with pushing stakeholders on projects, it looks like they have adopted a good level of risk management and a decent approach to managing expectations. You're right, the beta packages still have the free expansion access pass. They said that the early backer rewards on the beta and alpha packs would end on December 8th. Guess the free expansions wasn't one of them. Yeah I agree that although Frontier has basically only cashed in 1/10th of CIG's revenue and had overall a poorer marketing campaign (probably due to the fact of not selling in-game goods like ships ) they have done their homework and aren't facing major technical issues, deadlines set for alpha and beta build release were complied with and they're in a better position towards delivering the final build of the game. But don't forget that there's also many people that are freaking out over Star Citizen because a) they are too impatient and b) they have not understood that many of the stretch goals and features announced by Roberts will not be in the first release of the game but only added later on. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.

raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 471	Posted - 2014.05.22 17:20:00 - [21] - Quote Reiisha wrote: Star Citizen is primarily a flight combat game. Elite is primarily a trading/exploration game. Both are twitch games, which is something very different to the RTS style of EVE. Nope. Both will be space simulation mmorpg's where you will be able to do all those things and even more like avatar gameplay and planetary exploration. Reiisha wrote: I'll still be playing EVE when Elite is out and if Star Citizen turns out allright (i have my doubts) i'll probably play that too. Good for you. Keep in mind though that many people have lives and cannot spend so much time with so many games, therefore many of them will play only one or one at a time. Take a wild guess at which one will people get bored with faster and stop paying a monthly sub. Reiisha wrote: I do hope we can fly into starts in that last one at some point. Would love to know what that looks like with the Oculus. You can get close to them to a certain distance, but won't be able to fly too close into them because your ship would melt. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 471	Posted - 2014.05.23 20:52:00 - [22] - Quote Slick Slomopavitz wrote: To be honest, EVE Valkyrie is the one I'm most looking forward to most. But the others are definitely contenders. Put some contenders in that. If EVE Valkyrie follows the same model of Dust514 (dull pay2win matchmaker) it's gonna have serious trouble in attracting and holding players for more than a couple weeks. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 475	Posted - 2014.12.21 00:26:07 - [23] - Quote Sup friends, hows it hanging? Thanks for keeping the thread alive why I was away in strike! By the way, if you haven't noticed yet, theres a contest going on in ED to reward with $1500 the first person to obtain the Elite rank in Combat, Exploration or Trading and with $15000 the first to obtain all 3 ranks I have been playing/streaming Diablo III, Smite and a bit of EVE, haven't played much ED yet but I'm gonna start now and am planning to stream it at CyberChaosCrew's twitch channel (if my laptop can handle the game+stream). Everybody welcome to pop in to watch if they like. See you in space! http://www.twitch.tv/cyberchaoscrew Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 475	Posted - 2015.01.15 02:31:15 - [24] - Quote Been busy with Elite but took some time to check out the new Proteus expansion and made a video about it and the state of EVE. Hope you guys enjoy it http://www.twitch.tv/cyberchaoscrew Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 478	Posted - 2015.03.06 18:10:34 - [25] - Quote Did you guys hear about the Elite Dangerous 1.2 Wings Update? There's a beta test build live in the ED launcher for all the people with beta access to play with. One thing I always liked about EVE was the ability to form wings with your buddies and roam the space lanes together, always keeping in touch, sharing intel and warping/jumping into distant space as one. Now you can do that in Elite too! That's right! 1.2 Wings Update is bringing a lot of grouping perks into the game for the commanders to enjoy. The -ú10.000 Race to Elite competition is also still up, last week 2 commanders claimed to have achieved Triple Elite status (trading, exploration and combat) Will one of them be the winner? Frontier is now checking the legitimacy of their achievements. more info at Elite: Dangerous newsletter #64 CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 478	Posted - 2015.03.06 20:06:54 - [26] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: This update with the wing stuff should have been in the game since release. Would have made things a lot easier. Vulture is interesting too. Little ship with big guns. Yep, I agree. Being able to share bounty rewards with mates instead of having to target different enemies all the time to not steal kills would have made bounty hunting easier and more enjoyable from scratch. Also some other things they're yet to implement like Alliance ranking system and ships (Federation and Empire ranks are there since launch and the Federal Dropship and Imperial Clipper are available to those faction's ranked pilots but theres nothing for Alliance) could have been there at launch but overall I'm very satisfied with the game and seeing the dedication and output of these guys I'm confident that everything Frontier promised to the backers will be ingame in due time. CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 479	Posted - 2015.03.07 23:32:20 - [27] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: funny how all these Elite enthusiasts need EVE forums to communicate What's the problem? EVE buddies talking about other games they are excited about. I don't see nothing wrong with that. CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 479	Posted - 2015.03.08 22:38:29 - [28] - Quote Owen Levanth wrote: The OP doesn't make any sense, EVE and Elite are as different from each other as JRPGs and train simulators. I play both games, and I couldn't say which one is "better". You should read the OP again, "Elite is better" is not what says there. CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 479	Posted - 2015.03.16 09:16:22 - [29] - Quote Mr Duffo wrote: pvp in elite aint so harsh as insurance covers 96% (beta bracker) of the ship and you get ship will be replaced so money goes for eve on pvp. Yeah I noticed the same thing, with the ability to make from 2 to 4 million an hour with trading, even if you lose say like a full class A module fitted Anaconda (rebuy cost like what, around 10 mil cr?) you will easily replace it without too much grind. In EVE the insurance covers less than 50% but also if you're good you can grind enough isk in a couple hours to buy 20 faction battleships. EVE pvp hurts, but the pain is also proportional to your ability to acquire isk. EVE's ship loss and death mechanic (emergency escape pod and consciousness transfer to new clones) imo is also superior to the current ones in Elite and Star Citizen. Being an immortal and augmented character has its appeal and it's a shame to see character gameplay underdeveloped in such a rich setting. CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.

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