Capital ship balancing

Slowcats Supercapitals are too hard to kill

We wanted to make them a little bit weaker, but not gut them completely. We're doing a simple 20% reduction in Shield, Armor and Hull hitpoints on both Supercarriers and titans.

Slowcats Supercapitalsare far too versatile

The reason that slowcats Supercapitals can deal with any size of ship is the versatility provided by its massive drone bay. Having access to almost unlimited combat drones of all sizes and being able to launch 20 2500 ,as a fleet, of them at a time means that they have an answer to almost any situation. In fact, we found that drones on capital ships in general to be detrimental to the way fleet fights should work. If you want to deal with sub-capitals, you should bring your own sub-capitals or a carrier.

I found this , digging the dev blogs.
Funny thing is that you have to modify so little for this text to be so adequate to current slowcat situation.
Especially when you use 180km range slowcats as main damage dealers and motherships rest of 230 carriers as a logistic ships.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/2674

Capital ship balancing

You cannot put them on same boat. Before a simple group of 20 Motherships were already at a critical level. Slowcats only started to reach this level with 10 times more ships.

Help CCP!
Our coalition is afraid to use titans to kill slowcats!
Please help us!
Why aren't we winning yet?

There's quite a few threads about this problem.
CCP seems to be avoiding it like the plague.

I can't find a single dev comment on the issue.

There's quite a few threads about this problem.
CCP seems to be avoiding it like the plague.

I can't find a single dev comment on the issue.

I think the only comment will be "Working as intended. Stop crying, wait for tiericide. For now, adapt or die."

After all that sperg about naglfar fleets, the CFC sure are crying hard. Did they not work out or something? And if they did, do you need to whine so much?

I found this , digging the dev blogs.
Funny thing is that you have to modify so little for this text to be so adequate to current slowcat situation.
Especially when you use 180km range slowcats as main damage dealers and motherships rest of 230 carriers as a logistic ships.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/2674

So we are talking about 20 motherships AND 230 remote repping carriers.
Massive EHP and MASSIVE remote logistics capabilities capable of killing every thing within 180km.

So what do you say about a fleet 230 slowcats dedicated for dps at range 180km, having ability to remote repair rest of the fleet, and if for some reason someone decide that he will drop ewar ships to block theirs remote repair abilities - you put to your ship 20 motherships as logistics.
Hey they are immune to ewar.

So we are talking about 20 motherships AND 230 remote repping carriers.
Massive EHP and MASSIVE remote logistics capabilities capable of killing every thing within 180km.
Range that blocks every high dps ammo that could allow to alpha some carriers.

Where will be the point that subcapital fleet will be required on battlefield to guard capitals doing the 'job'.

If you drop dreads you have to guard them, as simple t1 destroyers can kill them without sustaining looses.
If you drop slowcats having supercarrier logistics you don't have to be worry about any thing.

Bombing sentry drones?
Carrier can scope them , and carry 3200 spare ones in their bay.

Edit, sorry i didnt noticed this:



You actually agree: 20 motherships = 200 slowcats in one fleet.
So it is time for change.
And oh - we have 230 slowcats AND 20 motherships AND other slowcat /super fleet waiting if something go wrong.

Lets face it anyone who can field 250 people in a fleet is going to be tough to kill no matter what ships they are flying. There's nothing stopping you from bringing 500 slowcats yourself, ya know, instead of screaming "omgz nerf it pl0x!"

The CFC could probably do that... would we actually see it in action? No... we wouldn't, node not-permitting.
However I do find it funny when more slowcats is the solution to the slowcat problem :D

You do know right that if we want to use 180km range carriers we can't use RR on them right? Or haven't you even researched it that much?

I don't think anything can work if one side can crash the node whenever they wish.
And please let's not confuse critique with whining... have we not graduated kindergarden?

The point isn't who will win... it's how the winning is done and whether it includes fun in the recipe ;/

I found this , digging the dev blogs.
Funny thing is that you have to modify so little for this text to be so adequate to current slowcat situation.
Especially when you use 180km range slowcats as main damage dealers and motherships rest of 230 carriers as a logistic ships.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/2674

Pretty sure that by "fleet" he means the other slowcats, 180km drone range is fairly trivial for sentries and aslong as the slowcats are together they can rep each other, granted 180km out they cant rep anything else but pretty sure he meant the slowcat fleet not the minions in the fleet

[quote=Cypherous][quote=Aranial]
No, to be able to hit things at 180km the carriers have to use 5 Drone link augmentors thereby sacrificing all RR ability on the carriers.

Yes , but only if you have 3x trimarks.
I just wait when some fc decide that it is time to sacrifice one of them for something else.
Carriers have way enough tank after all.
1 trimark less , low grade slave set and you still have more ehp.

Yes, and just as with the "N3 server crash magic trick" you can show this in action, right?
Look, don't worry, you're wrong, we get that.

You don't have to continue posting to convince us, and if you want to bring laughs, there are better ways.

Is any of this making sense to you?

Of course N3PL can crash the node at will.. that amount of caps/scaps would easily do that.
However it doesn't only crash when you want it to crash though... it also crashes because it can't take the weight of players/drones/actions.

An example of this is when you didn't drop your supers and instead dropped ~50 titans hoping the node would last, it didn't.
You did have 150scaps on standby though.. so if anything went wrong you could just drop those and break the node ;)