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Nyabinghi
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Posted - 2006.03.12 03:26:00 -
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I noticed wherever I go that 80% to 90% of the trade goods are being sold from anywhere from 10 to 100 X what anyone in the region is willing to buy it for. So it looks like most of the market is untradable. For example food commodities or passengers no one ever buys for more than it's being sold. In fact you'll get offered some ridiculous amount like 1. ISK each for goods worth 650 ISK each. So I'm just trying to figure out why so many goods are on the market if they never move.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.12 03:39:00 -
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Only certain NPC corporations buy and sell certain trade goods.
Each NPC corp may buy 2-3 and sell 2-3. Now remember, each NPC corp also inhabits only certain regions.
So lets say 2 NPC corps buy water and 3 sell it.
Quite often, the ones that sell it will be in a different region than those buying it. And there may be some regions with neither.
Thus, in many regions, there will be no NPC buy orders, no NPC sell orders, or both. Thus, the only orders will be player orders, and since players usually have no need for very large amounts of trade goods, the orders are not very good either.
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Nyabinghi
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Posted - 2006.03.12 04:16:00 -
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So there are places that will buy Frozen Food, Marines, Quafe, etc. for more ISK than what it's being sold for? So far I've only made money on about 5 Trade Goods (Water, Oxygen, Spirits, Tobacco, Manure)out of many many available.
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Oriella Trikassi
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Posted - 2006.03.12 23:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Nyabinghi
So there are places that will buy Frozen Food, Marines, Quafe, etc. for more ISK than what it's being sold for? So far I've only made money on about 5 Trade Goods (Water, Oxygen, Spirits, Tobacco, Manure)out of many many available.
On the left hand side of this screen, select 'Item Database'. This will tell you which NPC Corporations buy and sell which Items. It won't tell you the names of their stations (though it does have handy maps), for that you need the ingame database.
Once you've discovered that, for example, Gallente don't buy Consumer Electronics but Caldari do, new trade routes will open up for you.
Some Items don't have NPC buyers, but you will find there is player demand for them.
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Skipsta
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Posted - 2006.03.13 16:37:00 -
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Is the NPC goods market a serious way of making money then?
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Tuang Pao
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Posted - 2006.03.13 18:10:00 -
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Serious? That depends one what you consider serious money.
As a beginning trader flying an Iteron IV I'm able to net 1M ISK every 30 minutes on trade routes no longer than 4 jumps. My cargo was usually glass, recyclable garbage, tobacco and frozen food.
As mentioned earlier every region has differing demands and offerings. Your mileage may vary.
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Livia Tarquina
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Posted - 2006.03.13 22:25:00 -
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Yes but it takes a lot more time to figure out what to trade and where. Garbage is a good one. Almost always a big price difference between stations.
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Deliz Seemack
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Posted - 2006.03.15 02:36:00 -
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It's hard to find good NPC trade routes but there are many good one out there. You could find as much as 190 isk profit/m3 with 1 jump. You can make some good profit on it, believe me.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2006.03.15 05:56:00 -
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Yes, but how many runs before that route is dry?
That was the problem I found I had with NPC trading. A few good runs, and the routes are dried up, and I was only using indies, too.
The problem with some NPC trade goods, is agents give them out as rewards, in mass. Me, I'm sitting on 26k units of frozen food I have to find some way to liquidate, and all the buy orders have been filled, save for the 0.01 isk/u ones. The sell orders list for 90 isk/u, yet if a buy order came up for 60/u I'd probably sell it, even it that markdown, simply because I don't have the time or local capability to move such volumes of trade goods.
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Nyabinghi
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Posted - 2006.03.15 17:08:00 -
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I noticed that small quantities of Trade Goods in the same system are up to 100 X cheaper than buying large quantities. So I can buy 20 of somethin for 80.00 ISK each but If I want 1000 I gotta pay 1000.00 ISK each. Now that is just beyond reality.
Marketing 101: buy/sell large quantities cheap, small quantities are more expensive either way.
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Jerome DeSade
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Posted - 2006.03.15 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nyabinghi
Marketing 101: buy/sell large quantities cheap, small quantities are more expensive either way.
This is one area where the real world and the Eve universe differs. Many people selling small quantities of goods will undercut the market in order to move them quickly. Most traders would rather not buy 10 of something 5 jumps away if there are 1000 available 2 jumps away. This boils down to the return on investment/return on time problem all traders face in Eve. If you buy items in 20 different locations, even at a large discount, you either have to haul them for consolidation purposes or sell them all where they sit.
Unless you have some order-increasing skills trained up, the second option may not be viable. As for the first option, a lot of the time greatly discounted items reside in low security space. Getting into and out of that space may be risky, and this is a deterrant to some traders (and another reason for the lower price).
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Daos Leghki
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Posted - 2006.03.17 12:04:00 -
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One thing to note is that the market only shows currently active orders. The sell orders part shows you what people are selling at, and when someone buys it, you don't see that. Same for buy orders. Generally speaking, the price of a (non-NPC) good is the sell price, since the buy prices are intentionally low, sometimes below refine price. The reason for this is that people who NPC or mission run tend to collect large amounts of different junk that isn't worth putting a sell order for. They get some money for selling it to a buy order instead.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.03.21 10:47:00 -
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indeed. here is an example.
4000 units of zyd for sale at 5k each.
2k units get bought. Thus the average sell value is 5k per unit.
Now somebody puts up a 3k per unit buy order. The seller fills the order so sells 2k units for 3k each.
now the average comes down to 4k per unit.
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