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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.08 17:03:00 -
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concord needs to hire privates to police the minefields.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.08 17:15:00 -
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Jash, the problem isn't firepower, it's the faction loss. Take the faction loss away, and most people will reconsider the situation and bring guns.
The lone miner won't have the firepower, yes. A small team of a few miners will, if they fit one person for firepower and the rest for ew.
You can then argue that in that case the ore thief will not even bother, and will go in search of easier prey. GOOD! Functions as a deterrent. That's the point.
Currently ore thieves act with impunity, because of the faction situation.
Who are you kidding? The nature of the beast is that every single availible person, every single turret slot carry be sucking down ore. You go through the bother of having a someone for security in high sec space...why bother mining in high sec space?
Take that group to low sec space (.1), let the security deal with the npc pirates and mine more valuable ore. You'll get more than enough isk to buy the low end stuff from n00bs and solo miners locally, cover up to you nox requirements and still have isk to spare.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.08 17:41:00 -
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The whole thing with ore thieves..
The reason it's frowned upon is this.. The type of people that actually do it, they tend to be the type of people you don't like in everyday life.. They talk a lot of senseless smack, they persist to be annoying, they don't understand that no means no, ect, ect, ect, and most of all they try and justify taking the ore like it's your fault for "throwing it away". 
Anyways.. Here's what you do all you newbies.. Train scout drone operation, get yourself a warrior drone (as many as your ship can carry), go out and mine in a 0.6, and use the drone to fend off NPC attacks.
Ore thieves are skirred to go out in lower security area's, so you should be safe. 
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Elynsynos
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:11:00 -
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*note: I mine occasionally. I mine into a jet-can. I mine ridiculous amounts of ore. But I do it in a system where I can blow the *******s off anyone who tries to steal it. And should someone steal/destroy it, I'll add them to the ****list. I *WILL NOT* come to the forums begging CCP to break a fully working system.
Exactly, you whiners that dont like your ore stolen should either move to .4 space or use secure cans. I mine in a jet can, and im perfectly willing to blow away any ore thief that looks into it regardless of the security hit. Yes i keep a gun on my ship when i mine solo. Yes if you stick around long enough I can kill your indy with it.
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Koda
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:37:00 -
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* sigh
/gets out the bat and takes another swing at the deceased equine/
Mining into a jet can has risks. Accept it, buy a secure container (or a bunch), or don't do it.
Kit your cruiser out with cargo expanders, set an instadock book mark and mine your heinie off.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:44:00 -
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I have no respect for can stealers.
A real ore thief is a Prey miner. I respect those thieves because it takes guts to be such a thief instead of relying on CONCORD in high sec space to protect you, but being a Prey Miner takes effort, patience and planning...
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:46:00 -
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Many people use some real life example like if you left your wallet on the street or your keys in your car. But those are far from wrong. They are not the same. Your Wallet has your info and ID on it. Your car is IDed somewhere as yours. Taking those two thing that aren't yours is a hostile act.
Using a jet can for mining is more like using the atm and dumping the money on the side of the steet as you collect it. The game just decides to put it all in a container. Now that the money is on the side of the steet anybody could take it. Even a cop could take it and nothing happen because it is now not a hostile act. especailly if you walk away from it to get your car(indy) to collect it in. Don't be surprised if it isn't there when you get back and its your fault for not putting it in something that Identified it as your.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:46:00 -
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Here is what I think.
It is not that ORE THIEFS are intended in eve. It is Eve allows you to choose whatever you want to become and Theif is a allowed profession.
AFK miners and Carebear miners should be nerfed as well. To force them to get really earn there money and go out in the rest of the world. Ore Thiefs right now are the only means of doing this.
I see only the AFK miners and carebear miners crying about this anyway.
Newbs too but I don't think you should be able to steal from them.
I can see if the can is sitting right next to you when they come and steal ore as a hostile act. But if they were to impliment an idea like this I would make it so that as soon as you leave the belt and the can is no longer owned by you. That would fix the problem.
Or make it so Cops come and kill the thief only for players that are less then a week old.
CCP can't make everyone happy. If they totally kill Ore thiefs abilities. Other people will start whinning that AFK miners have it way to easy.
No if this Idea happened in game with no nerfing of the AFK/Carebear miners as well. I would start a petition agianst it, and would have alot of support. More so then the abillity to kill ore thiefs in 1.0 space.
If you want to kill ore thiefs then go to .4 and below otherwise buy secure cans.
If they really wanted to get rid of ore thiefs they would have made secure contains bottomless or expandable with how much ore you put in it. But they don't. Why, because of AFK/Carebear miners.
It would have been too easy to kill off that profession al long time ago. But EVE says you can become anything you want.
If they want to nerf that profession more. Then they should raise the the ability for Pirates(Neg sec rating players) to come into empire space and put in less cops. Or lower the amount of ore in empire space, make it real easy for a belt to disapear from over mining, so easy that it forces players to go out further.
Or make it so players over a month are not alowed to enter .8 and above belts.
Or Keep it the way it is.
I have seen Battleships in .8 systems striping belts clean leaving nothing for newb miners.
If you notice everyone goes to those systems to mine veld and other easy ore and then go out further and just mine the rest. They should go back to the old way of refilling the roid.
If you got to the .8 systems and above there is hardly any ore. I fyou go to the .2 belts for jaspet there is hardly any jaspet, Kernite, omber ect... and HUGE Veld and Scorite roids. So big you cann't even get close enough to mine them!!!
They Nerf Fighters. They Nerf Pirates. They Nerf PvP. I think they should Nerf Miners.
I heard a about a hacking skill that would allow you to hack into a secure can. That totally contradics what this poster is saying.
I say go ahead and allow this to happen. Then you will so pirates in Battleships coming in to steal your ore, go ahead and fire on them then. They would do it becuase they want your ore, but to start a fight so they can kill you for free.
I am not against AFK Miners that are newbies. I am against afk miners that are striping the belts in newb land.
I have another Char(unnamed) that ore steals. I don't REPEAT don't steal from the newby players. I see a guy in a Thorax mining with an unsecure can next to him. I go up and steal from it. And if they make that skill to allow players to hack secure cans I will make sure he gets that one too.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:47:00 -
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Just think about it a sec... They just finished with the adding of player anchored objects in space from stuff you buy like unsecure and secure containers on the market. opening those or firing on the other objects like sentry guns and such that are also player own and anchored will be a hostile act.
BUT OPENING JETISONED CONTAINERS WILL NEVER BE A HOSTILE ACT.
so if you go and buy a unsecure container off the market and anchor it in space you will notice that your picture is in the info window of the object. They are fixing it so another player opening it will be a hostile act.
BUT AGAIN OPENING JETISONED CONTAINERS WILL NEVER BE A HOSTILE ACT.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:52:00 -
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Many people use some real life example like if you left your wallet on the street or your keys in your car. But those are far from wrong. They are not the same. Your Wallet has your info and ID on it. Your car is IDed somewhere as yours. Taking those two thing that aren't yours is a hostile act.
Using a jet can for mining is more like using the atm and dumping the money on the side of the steet as you collect it.
Very true; but even this analogy doesn't go far enough. The important point is that EVE law is not the same as US/UK/whereveryouhappentolive law, and in EVE, picking up someone's wallet that they left on the street, would not be a crime.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:01:00 -
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Using an Usecure can is not even close to useing a wallet. In a wallet (hopefully) you have your ID or some sort of Identification.....
Ore Theives usaully come up behind you and take the ore from the can. If it was like a wallet it would like picking there pocket which is a crime!!
BUT, using and jet can, not to confuse with unsecure cans(which will be anchored and if opened could be considered a hostile act) is like taking the money out of the ATM and instead of puting it into your wallet where it would be safe, you put it in a box on the ground behind you or 5 feet from you.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:09:00 -
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There is a rumor that opening someones can in space will be a hostile act and you will get to fire on them. If you read my post before this one you will notice that it does not include jet cans.
There are 3 types of cans.
Jet cans - which are formed when you jettason something. The only reason a can is formed is because they don't want the mods flying in space like that, and is why they are bottomless.
unsecure cans - Which you can buy and are not bottomless.
Secure cans - You know what they do.
They just finished fixing achored items, which puts your identity on the object you anchored.... when you jetison something, like ore or a mod, it is not anchoring it. Now when you jetison a can, either non-secure or secure it is now called anchoring and if you notice your info shows up in the cans info window. They are working on maybe making opening or fireing on these cans and other anchored items a hostile act.
opening someone elses Jet Cans will never be a hostile act and if you use them people can steal from them.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.09.08 20:13:00 -
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so if you go and buy a unsecure container off the market and anchor it in space you will notice that your picture is in the info window of the object. They are fixing it so another player opening it will be a hostile act.
Have you ever requested info on a jetison can ?
It has the same ownership info so maybe, just maybe they will implement the hostile act when you take from a jetison can...
I don't care if they implement it or not, I mine below 0.5.
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Anara Valencia
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Posted - 2003.09.08 21:13:00 -
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I think CCP should make it a hostile act to take the contents out of another playerÆs container.
I'm sure that most of the players have no issues with dispensing their own justice.
-Anara
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.08 21:34:00 -
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I think AFK miners need to be nerfed.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.08 21:51:00 -
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I think CCP should make it a hostile act to take the contents out of another playerÆs container.
I'm sure that most of the players have no issues with dispensing their own justice.
-Anara
Have you ever shot at another person?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.08 22:57:00 -
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Back onto subject.
If there are any students out there who need to borrow any money prior to the opening of the first gambling dens then get in touch.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 16:23:00 -
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This has some good points too.
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