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Ms Freak
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Posted - 2006.03.12 11:41:00 -
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Ok,
Me and my corp m8's have been trying to take on some lvl 4 missions, we have taken a fair few of the low LP ones (between 500 and 1500) but everytime we go up against 2.5K LP missions we get ganked.
For example we were trying to do "Enemies Aboud (1 of 5)" last night there was 4 of us, 3 Apocs and 1 Ferox (kitted with T2 stuff), 1 appoc was running medium pulses, webber, hardners, repper etc. 1 apoc was supper tanked (3 large repper, 6 E500, fb10's, hardners etc and 1 Apoc was fitted with large guns.
The ferox had the normal passive tank (it can tank a 850K BS rat with ease).
The spawn consisted of (They were all gallente navy):
6 Dominix
3 Megathron
1 Orion (Navy issue Megathron)
6 Vexor
6 Support II's
We simply could not kill the Support II's to allow us to escape when things got rough, we have all manner of drones (medium scout + heavy) 7 MEdium Anode Pulses and it was webbied yet we only managed to kill 2 of the 6 before everyone had to leave.
It seem's impossible to kill these small ships circling you at 1250m other than using 2 webbers what do other people do lvl 4's with??
Should we be taking 4 BS, 2 BC and 4 Frigs/Intys for the small fry??
We want to do the missions but they simply beat us too badly and we loose too many ships but there MUST be a way of doing it??
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Sniperpirate
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Posted - 2006.03.12 11:49:00 -
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hey dude
ill help u out!
1st u can solo them in ravens! thats the answer!
also dont use a webber ..there is no need!!!!
get a full tank on ur appocs!
and get some small and med drones to kill frigs and help with killing cruisers!no large drones needed!
also only agro 1 bunch of npc's at a time!
if u need a better tank get some1 to medic and transfer armor to u and get them to use armor transfer drones on u also!
u should be fine!
need any more help u know where i am in game :P
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MuffinsRevenger
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Posted - 2006.03.12 11:50:00 -
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i'm yet to face a frigate that haven't died to five medium drones, and with three apocs then you woud have fiften of them (plus 5 lights from the ferox)
that shoud kill anny frigate you encounterd if you focused fire on the same target within seconds
other then that, doublewebbing is allways a good way to make sure that you can hit your target, have the ferox fit two of those and act as a anti frigate suport ship if you still have trouble taking down fast orbiting targets
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Ms Freak
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Posted - 2006.03.12 11:54:00 -
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Hey dude,
2 Things:
1) We had 10 drones and a full tank and it wasnt damage that was an issue it was getting away.
2) the 10 drones (medium scout and 1 heavy) could NOT kill a SINGLE Support II inty.
3) we can't fly ravens as we are Amarr specialised and we can't use cruise missles.
4) We had 1 of the guys with a complete tank (6 E500's, 2 Remote reppers, 2 large reppers, hardners etc) i lasted for a good 10 minutes taking insane damage.
5) we did agro one group the only problem was it consisted of 8 Battels ships, 6 cruisers and 6 webby + scramble frigs...
This is all stuff we know and we are all capable of solloing all the level 3's without a problem.
The question is: How the hell do you do level 4's WITHOUT a raven??
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.03.12 12:24:00 -
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If you run missions in groups allways use remote tanking. The main tank takes the full aggro. Then damage dealers take on the rats. Get high resi on the main tank. That makes the remote tank more efficient.
You wont have any problem with drones that way too.
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VaderDSL
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Posted - 2006.03.12 12:26:00 -
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Ms Freak, the Support II's are incredibly vulnerable to smartbombs, they all die within 30 seconds with 2 thermal smartbombs.
I highly reccommend fitting smartmombs on the guy who will get the aggro :)
Trust me, with smartbombs you will not have to worry about the interceptors on any of the enemy abound misions
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DazWozUK
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Posted - 2006.03.12 12:49:00 -
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I soloed lvls 1-4 of enemies abound last night in my raven. Going to do lvl 5 today.
High I had 6 t2 siege, 2 large SB's.
Med 1 named boost amp, 1 of each t2 hardner, 1 t2 large shield boost, low 2 ballistic T2's, 3 PDU 2's.
The 1st lvl all the frigs orbit at <5k popped em in no time with the smart bomb allowing me to concentrate on the cruisers n battleships.
I gotta say as well if ya got a mining team this mission is suprb the omber rocks are enormous.
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Hermann Abs
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Posted - 2006.03.12 12:57:00 -
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Sending med drones against webbed frigs, I made the observation, that the drones will not hit the frigs any more(!). Have a respective bug report filed with CCP. I never experienced problems with drones killing un-webbed frigs in low orbit. Try this and prove me wrong... 
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.03.12 13:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Hermann Abs
Sending med drones against webbed frigs, I made the observation, that the drones will not hit the frigs any more(!). Have a respective bug report filed with CCP. I never experienced problems with drones killing un-webbed frigs in low orbit. Try this and prove me wrong...
That's not a bug. The low tracking of med drones in conjunction with low sig radius of ceptors/AF render med drones useless against them. If you want to kill frigs go with light drones.
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Hermann Abs
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Posted - 2006.03.12 14:11:00 -
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hmm, why did my med drones finish the unwebbed frigs (C1 and C2 support frigs, to be exact) in no time?
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Alen Hanwe
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Posted - 2006.03.12 14:30:00 -
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It's funny a lot of you aren't listening to eachother. First of all, whoever said they did them no sweat in a raven, this topic started by stating they weren't caldari ships specialized. So obviously not for raven pilots. And also, webs DO make med drones less effective... for whatever reason. Don't web intys, etc. An un-webbed one will go down much faster.
It also looks like they WERE using remote repair, as ms freak was able to survive 10 mins tanking, presumably all the the damage from the 8 bs, etc.
Sounds rough...
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MachZERO
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Posted - 2006.03.12 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Freak
Hey dude,
2 Things:
1) We had 10 drones and a full tank and it wasnt damage that was an issue it was getting away.
2) the 10 drones (medium scout and 1 heavy) could NOT kill a SINGLE Support II inty.
3) we can't fly ravens as we are Amarr specialised and we can't use cruise missles.
4) We had 1 of the guys with a complete tank (6 E500's, 2 Remote reppers, 2 large reppers, hardners etc) i lasted for a good 10 minutes taking insane damage.
5) we did agro one group the only problem was it consisted of 8 Battels ships, 6 cruisers and 6 webby + scramble frigs...
This is all stuff we know and we are all capable of solloing all the level 3's without a problem.
The question is: How the hell do you do level 4's WITHOUT a raven??
I know the mission you are running and it's a suicide mission if you don't setup properly for it. I use a tempest but an Apoc should be able to do just fine at this. It's all about distance. I sit out at 180+km and kill all the ceptors first. Just make sure you stay aligned to a planet/moon/station/etc and move away from them while firing.
As others have said, do not web frigates when using medium or heavy drones. Your drones will not be able to hit them if you web and let them orbit because of their terrible tracking. With 9 medium and 1 heavy drone you should have been melting those support frigates. They have resists of 0%em/60%ex/40%kin/20%therm for shield and 50%em/20%expl/30%kin/37%therm for armor so use all hammerheads and watch them die fast. Remember... Do not web frigates if you are using medium drones. (worth repeating)
You didn't say in the OP but I'm assuming that you are fighting against amarr navy ships because that's all I've ever fought against in this mission. If that is the case then there are 2 amarr navy jakars there as well. These 2 BS's have tough armor resists of 50%em/80%expl/70%kin/60%therm. As you can see, you are better off pumping EM damage into these guys so switch accordingly when you start in on them.
If you can't do the range/snipe thing I mentioned above then have the guy with the heavy vamps and super tank nos corpmates instead of rats and switch from one corpmate to the next when he drains them. Also, if you are fighting amarr, fit pure EM and Thermal active hardners, two of each at the very least, and a 1600mm plate to buy some time for reper cycling.
Beyond that advice, all I can say is good luck with the mission running. As you run lvl 4's more and more you will learn little tricks for each mission and diferent loadouts that work better. You guys just happened to pick, in my opinion, the hardest lvl 4 mission in Eve to run in this case. Try not to get discouraged by this one and keep hammering at them.
GL
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VaderDSL
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Posted - 2006.03.12 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: VaderDSL on 12/03/2006 15:07:00
Apologies to all here, but I fail to see the difficulty in rectifying this mission, just fit smartbombs to take out the incerceptors - there you go, mission sorted.
If you make sure the person with the smartbombs is over 5km away and under 6km you'll still be able to remote repair and he can kill the smaller ships.
Yes I know you are all Amarr but I can solo this mission is purely T2 Raven, ONLY due to teh fact I fit Thermal Smartbombs to take out the Gallente Navy Gamma/Support II ships, if they orbit < 5km they are so easy to take out.
Just fit whatever damage type large smartbomb (damage type to what they are susceptible to)
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2006.03.12 20:12:00 -
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I would also like to state like others have stated that when using medium drones dont web firgates... if your drones orbit then there tracking speed is not good enough and wont hit. if you dont web them then your drones just follow them and hit them fairly well. webing really reduces a medium drones effectivness almost to doing no damage
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StarLite
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Posted - 2006.03.12 22:48:00 -
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1250M?
Smartbomb!
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VaderDSL
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Posted - 2006.03.13 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: StarLite
1250M?
Smartbomb!
Been saying that through out the thread  there doesn't need to be any more discussion imo hehe, in fact this thread should only really have 1 post.
Original Poster : Can't kill interceptors orbiting really close, around 1200m
Reply : Fit Smartbombs
Problem solved
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Asmodeos
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Posted - 2006.03.13 01:04:00 -
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get high skills and use a megathron at least that is how i do them :P
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