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Hokuten
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Posted - 2006.03.13 06:53:00 -
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Is there a page that lists statistical data like number of crew and all that for the different ships? I've always wondered if the little lights on the ships were windows or whatever.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.03.13 06:58:00 -
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Yes they are windows, and there used to be pictures that had the wireframes and some statistical data, including crew complement, for some of the ships.
Some people have them archived, actually.
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Cairo dog
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Posted - 2006.03.13 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Cairo dog on 13/03/2006 07:37:49
There is no crew... Or do you mean if our ships weren't piloted by the pods?
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.03.13 07:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Cairo dog
Edited by: Cairo dog on 13/03/2006 07:37:49
There is no crew... Or do you mean if our ships weren't piloted by the pods?
Wrong, there are plenty of crew. It's just that the pilot is the only one to get a pod. The rest die when the ship does.
Read some of the EVE fiction - the "Hands of a Killer" chronicle for example, or the "Anima Obscura" piece in EON #2.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.03.13 07:42:00 -
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Ships with pods bigger than a frig do carry crew; less than a non-pod ship, but still huge crews.
One source: the 'Hands of a Killer' chron.
The blueprints that Niko mentions above talked about:
-Cruisers: hundreds of crewmembers
-Battleships: thousands of crewmembers.
(HoaK gives over 6.000 for that particular BS)
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.03.13 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cairo dog
Edited by: Cairo dog on 13/03/2006 07:37:49
There is no crew... Or do you mean if our ships weren't piloted by the pods?
Oh god, don't get Nikolai started on that one again...
Basically, the bigger ships (Cruiser++) have crews, they're just "invisible" to the game mechanics ATM. More hassle than they'd be worth. (The crew stat was in alpha, but was then made invisible.)
According to the old stats, Frigs were solo vessels, Cruisers usually had a few hundred, and Battleships had anywhere in the neighborhood of 5000-7000 crew. Destroyers and Battlecruisers, as well as the capital ships, have unknown crew numbers, having been released after the old crew stats went away.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.03.13 07:52:00 -
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/me thinks that 3 posts going for the throat in less than 10 minutes from the heresy being spoken is almost overkill. 
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.03.13 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Herko Kerghans
/me thinks that 3 posts going for the throat in less than 10 minutes from the heresy being spoken is almost overkill.
I'm guessing that we were posting at the same time and didn't see the others 
Anyway, each post had some different info to contribute 
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.03.13 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: spurious signal
Anyway, each post had some different info to contribute
There is no such thing as too much truth.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.13 08:04:00 -
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I allways suspected it, I been hearing voices on the bridge at night...
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.13 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cairo dog
Edited by: Cairo dog on 13/03/2006 07:37:49
There is no crew... Or do you mean if our ships weren't piloted by the pods?
Originally by: Forsaken Ruins Story
Mattias focused the drone cameras on the Blackbird, inspecting the massive gashes in its hull. Judging from the metallic carnage, he estimated that sections of at least 6 decks were now exposed directly to space. Somewhere beneath where he was sitting, hundreds of crewmembers were sealing off compartments, fighting electrical fires and desperately struggling to keep his ship's vital systems functioning
From here
Ships DO have crews :)
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Now run along and play with your dolls...
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Jal Sireyl
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Posted - 2006.03.13 12:43:00 -
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I've always wondered about that. If, as the background (and the windows!) suggests, ships have crews... what's all this rot about living in a goop-filled pod? Wouldn't it make more sense for the pod to be an escape pod, and to have the game fiction consistent regarding where crew members (including the pilot/captain) live when they're not floating in an escape pod?
If my cruiser has several hundred crew members, I really can't see them all saluting and taking orders from a giant egg-shaped tub of goo. "Yes sir, Mr. Slime-Filled Egg-Thing, sir!" 
Besides, I want a captain's chair. And I will not be denied!
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Kaa Pullani
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Posted - 2006.03.13 13:05:00 -
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well, who gives a monkeys?
But one thing - how many BSs are lost in Eve every day (including NPC ones) - 10, 20K? If you multiply that by 5000 as a typical ship complement, then that's an awful lot of trained people getting fried every day - I doubt even the eve galaxy could sustain it - and who the hell would become part of a ship complement with a life-expectancy of like a week?
Of course, i go back to - who gives a monkeys anyway.
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Nicholas Barker
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Posted - 2006.03.13 13:23:00 -
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Our world (Earth) alone can sustain that many people dying, but to diseases and such. So i think the Empires could easily.
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.03.13 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jal Sireyl
I've always wondered about that. If, as the background (and the windows!) suggests, ships have crews... what's all this rot about living in a goop-filled pod? Wouldn't it make more sense for the pod to be an escape pod, and to have the game fiction consistent regarding where crew members (including the pilot/captain) live when they're not floating in an escape pod?
If my cruiser has several hundred crew members, I really can't see them all saluting and taking orders from a giant egg-shaped tub of goo. "Yes sir, Mr. Slime-Filled Egg-Thing, sir!"
Besides, I want a captain's chair. And I will not be denied!
You should definitely read some more of the EVE fiction and background on the website 
The pods are only for the pilot and there are 2 main advantages to their use. The first is that it allows for direct neural linkage between the pod-pilot and the ship which means that the ship is controlled by the pilot directly, by the use of the pilots thought alone. This allows for much faster control than the old, manual methods of ship control and in turn enables todays pod-pilots to execute man£uvres and responses that wouldn't be possible otherwise.
The 2nd advantage is that it allows the installation of the brain scanning device that activates upon pilot death (ie. breach of the pod shell) and then sends the pilots brain scan to the cloning facility to transfer to the new clone. Thus the pod pilots attain a sort of immortality because of the cloning system.
Check out the "Backstory" link on the website and read some of the "Scientific Articles" - you won't regret it
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2006.03.13 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Kage Getsu on 13/03/2006 13:41:05
I don't understand why I'd need a crew if my brain is directly wired into all the ship's systems. I mean, if I actually needed a crew, why couldn't I just hire a ***** gunnery team instead of training it myself? Why would I need thousands of people just to sweep the floors of my Raven? Dust comes mostly from human skin, so they wouldn't even be necessary if they weren't aboard.
Having a crew is really dumb, even if it is supposedly canon.
Edit: Why is "cr ack" censored?
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2006.03.13 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kage Getsu
I don't understand why I'd need a crew if my brain is directly wired into all the ship's systems.
Who makes sure that the modules are working properly, and the reloading devices (for ammo) don't get jammed? your brain effectively sends orders to your ship, but those orders are carried out by your crew.
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Naevius
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Posted - 2006.03.13 13:46:00 -
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And if there are are crews...strange that CONCORD gets so upset about blasting the pilot's pod, but allows you to waste hundreds of poor crew members for can theft...
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Judge Chuck
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Posted - 2006.03.13 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Judge Chuck on 13/03/2006 13:59:54
Originally by: Kaa Pullani
But one thing - how many BSs are lost in Eve every day (including NPC ones) - 10, 20K? If you multiply that by 5000 as a typical ship complement, then that's an awful lot of trained people getting fried every day - I doubt even the eve galaxy could sustain it - and who the hell would become part of a ship complement with a life-expectancy of like a week?
Perhaps ship crews are re-lifed, similar to people in Peter F Hamilton's Commonwealth series (Misspent Youth, Pandora's Star, Judas Unchained)?
We pod-pilots pay insurance on our ships and part of this goes towards re-lifing (cloning) our crews. Their clones are not very expensive though, due to the lack of support for the massively complex skill-interfaces we have.
It might help explain why crew members sign up to ludicrously dangerous ships!
Let's face it, it's not of the greatest importance, surely?
Cheers,
Judge Chuck
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.13 14:49:00 -
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Ships have escape pods for their crews, our pods are a helluvalot more then escape vehicles although they do function as such. Mechanics for dealing with crew aren't there atm, but I'm still hoping some day they will be implemented. ( Starfleet Command III style please ) Just less benefit. (/me goes off dreaming of all the potential of having hireable crews/officers etc. for ships)
But yeah those lights are windows.
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Kylania
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Posted - 2006.03.13 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Naevius
And if there are are crews...strange that CONCORD gets so upset about blasting the pilot's pod, but allows you to waste hundreds of poor crew members for can theft...
Probably has to do with this: "CONCORD prepared and adopted legal acts which required every single manufactured capsule to be fitted with a transneural echo burning scanner, in addition to mandating clone contracts for every single pilot cleared to fly a capsule-fitted vessel. The official rationale given for the laws was that an increase in the viable applications of capsule equipment would allow for further exploration along the technological frontier as well as the trackless fathoms of deep space."
So being upset by a pod being killed is driven by the belief that pods will eventually lead to new technologies that will prevent thousands being killed each time some pod pilot goes AFK so should be protected.
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Jimmy Phelan
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Posted - 2006.03.13 15:38:00 -
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So every time you buy a ship, you get the crew with it? Yet, we don't have to pay them. Isn't that slavery?
That makes the Minmatar in me very, very angry.
I'd rather just assume robotic systems for maintenance, reloading, etc. There are modules for nano-armor repairers. Can't those just be just a more specialized system than what's already on the ship?
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2006.03.13 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: pshepherd
Who makes sure that the modules are working properly, and the reloading devices (for ammo) don't get jammed? your brain effectively sends orders to your ship, but those orders are carried out by your crew.
Lots of automation. We have rogue drones that build hives and reproduce and stuff, and those were some kind of random hardware/software mutation (I guess). I bet automated systems designed by real engineers would be even more sophisticated.
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Jimmy Phelan
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Posted - 2006.03.13 15:42:00 -
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(Sorry for the double-post. Edit wouldn't work.)
And too, isn't Tritanium the "building block of all space structures"? And isn't it "unstable at planetary temperatures"?
So how do we keep those hundreds and hundreds of crew members warm? Much less fed and breathing, since we don't have to take on any consumables.
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.03.13 15:47:00 -
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If you read the latest short story you will see that a pre-capsule era Armageddon had escape pods for the crew. There is no-reason for them to remove them just because the captain is sat inside a piece of Jove technology...
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.03.13 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy Phelan
Edited by: Jimmy Phelan on 13/03/2006 15:39:46
So every time you buy a ship, you get the crew with it? Yet, we don't have to pay them. Isn't that slavery?
That makes the Minmatar in me very, very angry.
Read 'hands of a killer' the crew are volunteers, pod pilots have celebrity, or rather near Demi-god status
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.13 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 13/03/2006 15:52:16
Originally by: Jimmy Phelan
(Sorry for the double-post. Edit wouldn't work.)
And too, isn't Tritanium the "building block of all space structures"? And isn't it "unstable at planetary temperatures"?
So how do we keep those hundreds and hundreds of crew members warm? Much less fed and breathing, since we don't have to take on any consumables.
You don't have to feed yourself either? Does that mean you don't exist? How about taking a leak? Cause since you don't have to play a variant of the Sims while playing EVE you must be one seriously starved dehydrated dude swimming in a pod that's filled with more waste then the ectoplasm that should be in there.
Oh and not everybody loses a battleship daily.
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Kasak Black
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Posted - 2006.03.13 15:55:00 -
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Besides, isn't Tritanium, the element that is the building block for all space structures, "unstable" at planetary temperatures?
Where did you read that? It would be very interesting if that was the case.
But anything Cruiser + has a crew, they are paid by the Empire's of EVE prehaps. Ships need a crew to fix the broken plasma pipe of deck 144 section 13. If we had drones that preformed that task with the same level of intelligence and manual dexterity of their human counterparts... would'nt there been the whole "Humans VS Robots" thing going on, maybe it did... and were all living in the Dream world... WHERE IS NEO.... I NEED SAVING!
OH NO...
SMITH!
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2006.03.13 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kasak Black
Quote:
Besides, isn't Tritanium, the element that is the building block for all space structures, "unstable" at planetary temperatures?
Where did you read that? It would be very interesting if that was the case.
"The main building block in space structures. A very hard,
yet bendable metal. Cannot be used in human habitats due
to its instability at atmospheric temperatures. Very common
throughout the world."
From the description of Tritanium in game.
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Kasak Black
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Posted - 2006.03.13 16:00:00 -
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Very interesting...
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