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Dracorimus	Posted - 2006.03.13 12:48:00 - [31] PA lasted a while, but I do think it was inevitable, what with the GNW and everything else, well, GG to you and have fun in whatever you now do in EVE. GG and RIP PA - Comin' at ya!
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.13 12:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: eddie valvetino Originally by: pershphanie It appears that the myth of the phoenix was just that. A myth. A name and a legand is not enough to give life to what is dead. Empires are built on unity and dedication, not on the persuit of individual wealth or mantras of the past. Everything that is born eventually dies. For things to rise from the dead is unnatural. In this case it looks as if nature has prevailed at last. The PA will live on forever in our memories. However in this galaxcy the flame of the phoenix has finally flickered out for good. The lesson learned here is that naming your alliance after an immortal creature does not make your alliance immortal. If this were the case 90% of eve would be in the "Free Beer and Immune to Concorde Alliance". crawl back under your stone... turncoat finished the pvp training in syndicate yet? aye killing F-E now... still got .5. fighting your battles for ya? (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.03.13 12:56:00 - [33] yeh now that we cant hide behind PA anymore, we gotta use .5. Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Mephistos	Posted - 2006.03.13 12:57:00 - [34] Black Lotus, Wimbishi is a very dedicated fellow. As for the stuff about his kills, the PA killboard is maintained by one of the members of NSN and so if he's busy it's hard for them to give newer corps the ability to post their killmails (it's been a problem recently, hence a lot of corps not posting there, but on other boards). Shampoo, I remember also being able to field forces to fight back against you folks at the time, and I also remember part of the fight being the fact that we didn't back you against G, so their involvement was kinda already determined. Either way it was fun while it lasted there :p Eddie, PA space wasn't a buffer, using IMK as a base of operations gets the enemy into Tenal pretty fast :p And Persh, I wanna join that alliance :/
Lord Wimbishi	Posted - 2006.03.13 13:01:00 - [35] Gentlemen, Please, keep the hate and flames down. This should be a time of respect in order to move on. Not a time to kindle more fire and flame to burn elsewhere. I have a heavy heart myself, and though the childishness in me would have it bear the grief upon many, even onto myself, It serves no place of honor to do so. As things are this is a new beginning of many things, maybe a unfound freedom many haven't known in quite some time to make amends and start a life with more experiance and wisdom earned through the many months and some cases; years during this period of time. All great things must come to an end to start even greater things following it. Things like this must happen in order to bring an even greater light into an era that little can be found in the first place. So again. I ask please honor your corporation and your alliance and choose wisdom over emotion when you speak. Lord knows I have made enough errors through lack of it in my time in and out of game, lets not repeat another wave of devistation through ill timed and unwarranted verbal attacks.
Baconjoe	Posted - 2006.03.13 13:02:00 - [36] Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq Originally by: PirateShampoo No offence but FoE would of done it a year ago but you guys cry'd like little girls to any other allaince that would listen to you. Shame they where to short sighted to c the bigger picture and only now realise how weak and unbenifical ur alliance actually was. Doubt FoE could have destroyed PA even if they were alone. With so many leaders afk at that time we would have struggled with taking their stations. Nice fleet battles sure, killing another alliance no. _______________________________________________________ So with the leaders away FOE could have won fleet battles but not taken stations? This makes no sense. Perhaps if PA hadnt called on everyone who would listen then FOE would have lasted alot longer. Very nice post from the PA leader tho. Nice to see someone come out and say their feelings openly without the need for an alt. We are cursed men
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.13 13:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Tiuwaz yeh now that we cant hide behind PA anymore, we gotta use .5. lol... fair play mate, that is the only funny thing anyone has said no this thread it's clear this is a very emotive issue, lots of passion here. I just think that it's so lame to flame a statement of defeat like that. LW was not the reason PA lost to the war. PA's pilots are. (also F-E's "betrayal" - but all F-E really did is see they were screwed and jumped ships to protect themselves... highly dishonourable but also very wise) (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Naphtalia	Posted - 2006.03.13 13:18:00 - [38] Originally by: eddie valvetino still got .5. fighting your battles for ya? .5. and KAOS are our brothers in the north east, and yes we fight eachothers battles and work together and communicate like allies are supposed to do. Thanks
Sun Ra	Posted - 2006.03.13 13:26:00 - [39] 1) Theres no vets in the PA 2) PA was on its death bed a year + ago, it just kept feeding tiself with these silly 10-30 man corps to make it appear to be al well and good. Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.03.13 13:34:00 - [40] For any of you pseudo flamers w/o a clue of history: Lord Wimbishi was the best fleet commander in PA after the GNW together with Ani. His dedication may be to much for some casual gamers and carebears and he eventually got booted out of PA. Which in MY EYES did lead to the decay of PA. Any alliance that has him has a dedicated and intelligent leader that is, granted not always easy to take. But he is effective. Shame that you were so long away from Eve, Wimbishi In all honesty, i salute you, my friend. A wise and right decision, though painful, indeed. -------------------------------- I am G and i am IRON - as we all are brothers in arms and times of need.

eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.13 13:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse For any of you pseudo flamers w/o a clue of history: Lord Wimbishi was the best fleet commander in PA after the GNW together with Ani. His dedication may be to much for some casual gamers and carebears and he eventually got booted out of PA. Which in MY EYES did lead to the decay of PA. Any alliance that has him has a dedicated and intelligent leader that is, granted not always easy to take. But he is effective. Shame that you were so long away from Eve, Wimbishi In all honesty, i salute you, my friend. A wise and right decision, though painful, indeed. double signed (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
thoth foc	Posted - 2006.03.13 13:43:00 - [42] In a game where it is easy for ppl to hide, sit docked and basically fake life, I think it is much harder to admit that you have been defeated. GL in the future.. --thoth (aka orbs) [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing...
Le Cardinal	Posted - 2006.03.13 13:46:00 - [43] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse For any of you pseudo flamers w/o a clue of history: Lord Wimbishi was the best fleet commander in PA after the GNW together with Ani. His dedication may be to much for some casual gamers and carebears and he eventually got booted out of PA. Which in MY EYES did lead to the decay of PA. Any alliance that has him has a dedicated and intelligent leader that is, granted not always easy to take. But he is effective. Shame that you were so long away from Eve, Wimbishi In all honesty, i salute you, my friend. A wise and right decision, though painful, indeed. 3rd
Le Cardinal	Posted - 2006.03.13 13:47:00 - [44] Originally by: thoth foc In a game where it is easy for ppl to hide, sit docked and basically fake life, I think it is much harder to admit that you have been defeated. GL in the future.. Think this is the first time ive ever agreed with u
Goofy Horace	Posted - 2006.03.13 13:54:00 - [45] A great post and a sad, sad day :(
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.03.13 13:55:00 - [46] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Many corporations even before a year ago did their own thing and normally presented a militia type alliance where a call to arms was headed by the military fanatical more then the carebears. As of late even before I came back in effort to lead and bring my alliance back onto its feet, less and less pilots where mustering in PA organized fleets. I think you have pointed the finger at why PA was defeated, not by external factors but by internal. Carebears will be the death of any alliance, those that are unwilling to fight for their right to exist in 0.0 don't deserve to be there. I have a couple of PA PVP corps now in Huzzah and they same the same thing you did which is a real shame for those that went out to fight. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Leffe	Posted - 2006.03.13 13:56:00 - [47] MC3 joined the PA a few months ago and I can say that the sheer amount of quality people in this alliance is simply enormous. It is a shame that so many left so quickly. I can understand their reasons. The .5. is an impressive adversary that can only be fought if alliances stick together. Those who are now in the south, beware, since if the .5. start looking to the south, you may be calling for help from the North. Unfortunately, your call may come to late... Same counts for the Western Alliances. Concerning PA leadership: Lord Wimbishi, Reaso Ning (and El Covah) and all the others of the core leadership team really did the best thing they could given the circumstances. Our alliance may be almost dead, but bonds between people are forged. You'll hear from us again, promised ! Leffe MC3
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.13 14:04:00 - [48] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Many corporations even before a year ago did their own thing and normally presented a militia type alliance where a call to arms was headed by the military fanatical more then the carebears. As of late even before I came back in effort to lead and bring my alliance back onto its feet, less and less pilots where mustering in PA organized fleets. I think you have pointed the finger at why PA was defeated, not by external factors but by internal. Carebears will be the death of any alliance, those that are unwilling to fight for their right to exist in 0.0 don't deserve to be there. I have a couple of PA PVP corps now in Huzzah and they same the same thing you did which is a real shame for those that went out to fight. signed (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.13 14:07:00 - [49] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse For any of you pseudo flamers w/o a clue of history: Lord Wimbishi was the best fleet commander in PA after the GNW together with Ani. His dedication may be to much for some casual gamers and carebears and he eventually got booted out of PA. Which in MY EYES did lead to the decay of PA. Any alliance that has him has a dedicated and intelligent leader that is, granted not always easy to take. But he is effective. Shame that you were so long away from Eve, Wimbishi In all honesty, i salute you, my friend. A wise and right decision, though painful, indeed. So true. Oh and later those ppl that booted him, left and made Xelas. . Originally by: Commander Nikolas People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS. Antipiracy is causing brain damage
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.03.13 14:08:00 - [50] Originally by: PirateShampoo No offence but FoE would of done it a year ago but you guys cry'd like little girls to any other allaince that would listen to you. Shame they where to short sighted to c the bigger picture and only now realise how weak and unbenifical ur alliance actually was. I beg to differ. 99% of FoE lived in Obe and didnt do any long time runs into enemy space. And the small group of people who actually did, never had the numbers to cause any major harm. It was allways 20 jumps that way, fight a battle then head back home. Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD

eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.13 14:12:00 - [51] Originally by: Naphtalia Originally by: eddie valvetino still got .5. fighting your battles for ya? .5. and KAOS are our brothers in the north east, and yes we fight eachothers battles and work together and communicate like allies are supposed to do. Thanks brotherhood with f-e is worthless (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.13 14:12:00 - [52] Originally by: Leffe MC3 joined the PA a few months ago and I can say that the sheer amount of quality people in this alliance is simply enormous. It is a shame that so many left so quickly. I can understand their reasons. The .5. is an impressive adversary that can only be fought if alliances stick together. Those who are now in the south, beware, since if the .5. start looking to the south, you may be calling for help from the North. Unfortunately, your call may come to late... Same counts for the Western Alliances. Concerning PA leadership: Lord Wimbishi, Reaso Ning (and El Covah) and all the others of the core leadership team really did the best thing they could given the circumstances. Our alliance may be almost dead, but bonds between people are forged. You'll hear from us again, promised ! Leffe MC3 aye this is a fact if .5. do not stay in the north (which i think they may hand over to Goonfleet/Koas (correct spelling Chaos btw) watch out eve... but i have no idea really .5. have numbers money and generally are fairly well organized (far to much smack - my blocked list is nealy all ATUK, though F-E and joining them). But if they come knocking on your door, I hope got mates and big f**k off ebil gun machiines (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Darcuese	Posted - 2006.03.13 14:18:00 - [53] Originally by: fisty as you have stated only the pvp corps and action fanatics showed up to combat, was then and is now "i presume", even fanatics grow tired of backing people's up that have only interest in making money and not help at matters like keeping enemies out of their space... i think that was the main problem of PA "at the beginning", while being in the PA at those times my anger grew with people not showing up for combat and have a handfull of corps come and fight alongside Yep. when this start happening there is not much you could do.....or kick them or leave them. But one of most irritating things , at least in my book Try to be humble next time. Seem to me that first dread taken down in EVE by NBSI made their nose a bit to high in the air. Im glad it got kicked
thoth foc	Posted - 2006.03.13 14:21:00 - [54] Originally by: eddie valvetino (far to much smack - my blocked list is nealy all ATUK, though F-E and joining them). 1 spark and entire threads go down in flames.. --thoth (aka orbs) [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing...
Naphtalia	Posted - 2006.03.13 14:34:00 - [55] Originally by: eddie valvetino Originally by: Naphtalia Originally by: eddie valvetino still got .5. fighting your battles for ya? .5. and KAOS are our brothers in the north east, and yes we fight eachothers battles and work together and communicate like allies are supposed to do. Thanks brotherhood with f-e is worthless F-E doesn't go on "pvp training in syndicate" when big bad wolf knocks on our brothers door. (yep we are full circle now) :)
Pehova Mindtriq	Posted - 2006.03.13 14:38:00 - [56] Originally by: Baconjoe So with the leaders away FOE could have won fleet battles but not taken stations? This makes no sense. Perhaps if PA hadnt called on everyone who would listen then FOE would have lasted alot longer. Very nice post from the PA leader tho. Nice to see someone come out and say their feelings openly without the need for an alt. Yeah because taking stations and keeping them need dedication and foe lacked that especially when they weren't told to do it by leaders. You saw how much problem it was to rally people to defend their own space, how easy do you think it would have been to get people to take other stations and defend them like they were their own? Im confident that foe would never been able to kill pa and in return i dont think pa alone could kill foe either.
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2006.03.13 14:40:00 - [57] Edited by: eddie valvetino on 13/03/2006 14:45:01 Originally by: Naphtalia Originally by: eddie valvetino Originally by: Naphtalia Originally by: eddie valvetino still got .5. fighting your battles for ya? .5. and KAOS are our brothers in the north east, and yes we fight eachothers battles and work together and communicate like allies are supposed to do. Thanks brotherhood with f-e is worthless F-E doesn't go on "pvp training in syndicate" when big bad wolf knocks on our brothers door. (yep we are full circle now) :) shhh - you know nothing of our operations in syndicate... i'm sure El Covah and LW the guys who ordered us there will confirm this... shhh and go away till you know that facts - monkey boy and when the big bad wolf came knocking on your door... you asked him in for a nice piece of cake and a mug of stfu coffee (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Aman Sul	Posted - 2006.03.13 14:43:00 - [58] Originally by: eddie valvetino Originally by: Naphtalia Originally by: eddie valvetino still got .5. fighting your battles for ya? .5. and KAOS are our brothers in the north east, and yes we fight eachothers battles and work together and communicate like allies are supposed to do. Thanks brotherhood with f-e is worthless Far from it.
magickangaroo	Posted - 2006.03.13 14:47:00 - [59] Edited by: magickangaroo on 13/03/2006 14:47:29 hi wimibishi wimbishi was indeed somone i could respect back in the day. when i was literally rearing to go and others around me wanted to form a commity to see if we would go and attack wimbishi also stood up and tried to get us to fight. so props to u mate. personally i dont think anyone else had the stones to actually post here saying its over. howmany pa leaders have there been in the last year, well finally one steps up and says game over thanks for the fights. so respect. i wish you all the best wimbishi and i just hope no one recreats the pa in the future (choose another name if u have to lol :D) i have a reqest thou or an idea at least. as the pa is done, how about opening up all the forums and such to the public. i have only vague memorys of the posts there now but would sure like to read them again, and if were honest the pa was so spy riddled at one point its not like the higher ups in allainces done have access but i would love to read over them again. gl mate and see you in space.
Lord Wimbishi	Posted - 2006.03.13 14:54:00 - [60] Gentlemen, In either of the cases you all are starting to present; which in honestly has nothing to do with this thread, is pointless now to rattle on about because it is in the past. We all can say all day or for the rest of our lives what we could have done, what might have happened and other trivial matters of what ifs; it simply does not matter anymore. What we need to focus on as a community, in this game is towards WHAT COMES NEXT friends. Not was BEFORE even as sad as I am and many others who loved our alliance. and in respect their own alliances we must look forward.



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