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Daimon Kaiera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
495
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:50:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Thetabetalpha wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:If I can strip an entire system in 10 minutes solo, sure. Because that's how fast a hacker can strip a system of sigs. Sentamon wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP should make it so that at the end of every strip miner cycle the asteroid throws out a bunch of chunks of ore and you have to go chasing after them and tractoring them in by clicking on them before they disappear (which happens in mere seconds). Pretty sure the bots wont have a single issue with this, but everyone else not so much, Some ppl got the nanites in the sarcasm-o-meter self-aware, or that's a side effect of too much mining and hitting the head on the rocks in space Thought it was sarcasm, but he's and GD poster and by nature full of terrible, self serving ideas.
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Thetabetalpha
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:53:00 -
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Arresy Barres wrote:Oh god, why, I thought I had a delicate and smart sense of humor, but I've been laughing minutes about this... We could always pretend Curzon Dax sings Ice Ice Baby here
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18596
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:00:00 -
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Thetabetalpha wrote:Tons? New AI, new exploration mechanics, new exploration sites, new exploration types, revamped FW, new PvE-centric equipment, new rewards, new markets. Every part of PvE has been refreshed, hence the question. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Thetabetalpha
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:07:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Its the CCP way ...
1. We want players to live in null and PvP a lot .
2. So for laughs lets start them all in hisec where there is no PvP
3. But we do not want them to stay there ... so we lets make PvE boring and do not up date missions or add new ones.
4. and just for laughs make it easy for gankers to kill their unarmed mining ships so they are terrified of leaving highsec.
with the result that the majority of players stay in highsec till they get bored of it and quit :D So let me say it in my words: We get through sort of natural selection here. Or bootcamp. The stronger stay, quitters gotta quit.
And I suppose it's a balance of those who does not to want or has limited time to farm horrid pve content and decide to spend cash on Plex which is bought by the players who pay for the game time with ISK.
I still don't get the financial part of it - more ppl interested in pve would become that fodder to shoot at. It would create much greater cash flow for CCP too. Just the rise of the demand of the plex if eve got more players interested in eve would boost CCP profits dramatically. Then more profits would yield much better content. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15452
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:18:00 -
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Thetabetalpha wrote: So let me say it in my words: We get through sort of natural selection here. Or bootcamp. The stronger stay, quitters gotta quit.
And I suppose it's a balance of those who does not to want or has limited time to farm horrid pve content and decide to spend cash on Plex which is bought by the players who pay for the game time with ISK.
I still don't get the financial part of it - more ppl interested in pve would become that fodder to shoot at. It would create much greater cash flow for CCP too. Just the rise of the demand of the plex if eve got more players interested in eve would boost CCP profits dramatically. Then more profits would yield much better content.
It's called niche marketing, Eve caters to a particular kind of player and is rather successful at it. If Eve was changed to appeal to the masses it would rapidly become a poor facsimile of itself, because the players they attract would demand changes to the very essence of Eve. |

Thetabetalpha
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote: New AI, new exploration mechanics, new exploration sites, new exploration types, revamped FW, new PvE-centric equipment, new rewards, new markets. Every part of PvE has been refreshed, hence the question.
Quote:The earliest recorded evidence of the production of soap-like materials dates back to around 2800 BC in ancient Babylon. A formula for soap consisting of water, alkali, and cassia oil was written on a Babylonian clay tablet around 2200 BC. The Ebers papyrus (Egypt, 1550 BC) indicates the ancient Egyptians bathed regularly and combined animal and vegetable oils with alkaline salts to create a soap-like substance. Certain countries in Europe had no such tradition till much longer. So they "refreshed" themselves with perfumes never cleaning with soap, wore filthy wigs full of flea and lice and mice. So on and so forth.
Basically: Need some fresh and new content in Eve, recycling, shining the same old boot is not good enough. Some new litter for the sandbox please!
Anyway, you added the PvP related stuff to the list, but it seems it is doing relatively fine, because, you know, nobody would be playing this game otherwise.
PvE-centric equipment? Lemme write the definition down on my storage-centric device with my information-embedding trinket here. All ears now. |

GreenSeed
915
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:36:00 -
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eve has the best PvE of all MMOs out there, players are the NPCs.
the problem are the mouthbreathing idiots who insist on doing lowsec/nullsec exploration in Cloaky T3 ships solo, cloaking up every time a neutral shows up, instead of doing it in a pug fleet with a bunch of cheap cruiser hulls with some T1 logi support, in a quarter of the time, for a tenth of the risk, and a million times more fun.
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Thetabetalpha
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:37:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: It's called niche marketing, Eve caters to a particular kind of player and is rather successful at it. If Eve was changed to appeal to the masses it would rapidly become a poor facsimile of itself, because the players they attract would demand changes to the very essence of Eve.
Bigger playerbase equals bigger demands, but much bigger paychecks also. It is like saying: "We have a small company here it takes care of local demands, but we don't wanna grow and get on the world state or even world level."
I bet they still want those $1000 jeans, but bite the elbows instead. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18598
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:39:00 -
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Thetabetalpha wrote:Basically: Need some fresh and new content in Eve, recycling, shining the same old boot is not good enough. Some new litter for the sandbox please! So you're not actually asking for a refresh then.  No matter, the question is much the same: such as what?
Quote:Anyway, you added the PvP related stuff to the list Not really, no. I just listed the PvE content that has been refreshed in recent history. Sure, all of it has PvP elements, but that's because this is EVE so there's no avoiding that.
Quote:PvE-centric equipment? Marauders and auto-looters come to mind.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15452
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:51:00 -
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Thetabetalpha wrote:Bigger playerbase equals bigger demands, but much bigger paychecks also. It is like saying: "We have a small company here it takes care of local demands, but we don't wanna grow and get on the world state or even world level."
I bet they still want those $1000 jeans, but bite the elbows instead. It also kills games, look at Ultima Online, and what happened to it when the Devs gave into demands for a safer environment.
Not every game developer is trying to compete with the likes of Blizzard. Some are quite happy being big fish in a small pond, as opposed to being a minnow in a large ocean. The smaller devs tend to be the ones who innovate, the bigger ones are happy to keep churning out the same shite year after year with little or no innovation. |

Thetabetalpha
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2013.12.29 17:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Thetabetalpha wrote:Basically: Need some fresh and new content in Eve, recycling, shining the same old boot is not good enough. Some new litter for the sandbox please! So you're not actually asking for a refresh then.  New litter. Refreshed meaning new in this case, no recycled litter. That's just wrong.Quote:No matter, the question is much the same: such as what? Features & Ideas Discussion
Tippia wrote:Marauders and auto-looters come to mind. They should've added the siege mode to shuttles. Imagine you carry a hundred plex in your hold and you pass through gate camp, then you have whole blob staring and salivating at the shuttle full of plex. Haha
Yet again, as much as I hate quoting myself:Thetabetalpha wrote:Neither polishing the coin nor flipping on a different side is same as making money. What we see CCP does here is stand on the side flipping the same coin for 10 years, occasionally shining it, and demonstratively biting it showing us: "Hey - that's pure gold right there, don't even think otherwise!" Anyway, it feels like the marketing had taken over the development for awhile now.
I swear, it's the EA shmuck who's responsible for that. |

Roel Yento
Bolverki
31
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Posted - 2013.12.29 17:14:00 -
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Even in other mmo's, the pve gets old and stale. You can only do so many daily quests or raids over and over again until you get bored. EVE PvE is simply a way to get money to do pvp. What is the point of having hundreds of billions of isk as someone that stays in highsec doing easy pve only? At least someone that takes their ship to low/null/wh for pve at least risks something and that would be what makes it fun. Oh and pve for new players that havent looked up guides is dangerous. As with any other mmo, you can read the pve guids or watch videos and gear yourself and team to take on the events too.
All the players lost due to pve boredom never did pvp or found pvp too boring to warrant doing pve to make money. No idea why someone would try a game where you can be shot at anywhere or scammed and have no intention of doing pvp unless they like the thrill being a target.
Nothing wrong with people wanting a better pve experience though as long as they realize the game is based around pvp. The simple fact that the whole economy of eve is run by players means the moment you spend isk or sell items you are part of a chain of events that affects other people via market pvp. |

Dave Stark
4035
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Posted - 2013.12.29 17:55:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Thetabetalpha wrote:Dave Stark wrote:there's actually nothing wrong with mining. is as exactly as interactive as pvp.
target things; activate modules. You must never done any mining then. Mining is Daves thing, it's what he does. too right it was my thing. then i realised for about the same interaction "lock target, hit f1" i could make about 4x more per account in incursions, so i do that 1 day a month now. |

Logical 101
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
78
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Posted - 2013.12.29 17:56:00 -
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Roel Yento wrote:Even in other mmo's, the pve gets old and stale. Running the same raid... over and over and over and over and...
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS type X
119
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Posted - 2013.12.29 21:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Refreshed how? It's received tons of tweaks and additions of the last couple of years.
Also, yes, it is indeed a problem that new players learn EVE through PvE since it means they don't actually learn anything about EVE.
If CCP wanted EVE to be strictly about pvp they would have designed this game very differently. For one thing it would be a true sandbox which it isnt and probably never will be. There would be only one slogan in EVE, "might makes right" there would be no SOV mechanics and if you didnt belong to a super alliance you would be disolved in 0.0001 secs after undocking.
Eve players love to talk EVE is tough but really it isnt and it never will be and that is probably why this outdated game is still around 10 years post launch. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |

Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
86
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Posted - 2013.12.29 21:42:00 -
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The person you're selling something to doesn't actually know what they want 99% of the time.  |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
251
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Posted - 2013.12.30 03:07:00 -
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Damn you!!! I can't stop clicking the damn cookie!!!
-á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |

Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1262
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Posted - 2013.12.30 03:37:00 -
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Bel Tika wrote:Really does surprise me that the backbone of nigh everything in the game is so well crap tbh (i really don't like using crap it sounds soo harsh)
I picked mining as a career (yeah sad i know but well some numpty has to do it), an being new an not understanding much yet is exhumer an T2 strip miners the best i can hope for solo? i mean cmon i thought this game had been out 10 year an the best it has to offer a wee rock smash is a T2 barge for solo work
A wee T3 with mining subsystems would be a better goal tbh :P
ach tbh i don't mind mining as it is, i would have liked a longer skill train an more ship choice i guess but ultimately i don't know what they could do to change it Pretty much lol. Unfortunately EVE has a couple of groups of players which dominate.
PvP ONLY (like we believe that) / Null Seccers, all they want is new ships, if they don't get new ships NOW they get in last weeks new ships, shoot a monument in Jita, cry on forums, ring their mates in Iceland, get flown to Iceland (well their reps do), hang out with their mates in iceland and ... get new ships (frequently also get employed by CCP to help 'develop' the game.
Low Seccers (alts, alts of alts, boosting alts of alts of alts) both alts of high and null seccers. They shoot anything, farm the broken FW system, pretty much don't count or care for anything.
High Sec - mostly solo, casual, mission runner, miners, alts and alts of the two above. They're nowhere near as organized as the PvP / Null crowd, don't have mates in Iceland, don't get flown to Iceland (because the CSM is rigged), don't get to hang out with dev mates and don't get employed by CCP to 'develop' the game.
That' pretty much explains why the game is the way it is. You know how Sov is full of timers, everything indestructible for 24 hours (unlike our old crappy barge that can be blapped by a 2 million isk dessie in a few seconds), well that was all designed by an player that became friends with CCP, got employed by CCP, quit CCP and is now back playing the game as a regular player lol.
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Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:05:00 -
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I like mining as is, its relaxing. The problem with mining as I see it is that solo mining in wormholes and null isn't worth the risk. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Qweasdy
Absolute Massive Destruction Cult of War
53
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Posted - 2013.12.30 15:32:00 -
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400 billion cookies later I've turned blue and furry... |

RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing
162
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Posted - 2013.12.30 18:53:00 -
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As the asteroid miner burns the rock. Over local he hears the talk.
"You better get inside, they cried "I lost my nightmare and then I died.
Yet still sits the miner, burning. Local is screaming and the debris is churning.
The miner see's the fleet land A grin forms as he unleashes his plan
They lock on him and start to overheat, Then the 40 stealth bombers cloaks go weak
The bombers lock the miner and begin to launch The miner ejects and begins to burn off
Blaster boats begin to pop As kilboard stats begin to drop
As the miner enters warp he doesn't look back He sits smiling while drinking his Quafe pack
When he lands in the next asteroid field A hulk is waiting to continue pulling yeild. |

RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing
162
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Posted - 2013.12.30 18:56:00 -
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We need to be able to build asteroid eaters. We have the technology. If I can sick a drone on something then I can open up my ship and capture an asteroid. |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
275
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Posted - 2014.01.03 01:29:00 -
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Holy ****!! It's been a week and I am still clicking on the damn cookie. Damn you. Damn you!!!
/me shakes his fist and then goes back to clicking the stupid cookie.
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |

Lopti Grey
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 02:26:00 -
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I enjoy PVE in EVE, I avoid most PvP in EVE because well it is filled with the type of douche bags we see here that think that if they don't find it fun then no one can...
I have several accounts, this is my new one which I am using to focus on exploration... I have miner that I mostly use when I workout to be honest... that way I can make isk when working out in RL... but the PVE missions, incursions, wormhole exploration, relic/data/combat sites and much more keep me busy in EVE... I want more PVE not less. If you don't enjoy it that is fine... don't play it, it is that simple. |

Portia Venetia
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:44:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:...It also kills games, look at Ultima Online, and what happened to it when the Devs gave into demands for a safer environment.
I'm not here to argue for or against, but I wanted to address this point. I've seen this said time and again on these forums, with the implication that UO disintegrated after the "Trammel / Felucca Split." To satisfy my curiosity, I went looking around on the internet to see just what did happen.
From what I could find, UO experienced significant growth of their playerbase for the three years following that split, and is still running today (albeit with a very tiny market share).
It seems like this statement (that UO was "killed") is oft repeated despite the standing evidence. I'm not making any judgements about what may be good or bad for EVE, but I think it's erroneous at best and deceitful at worst to keep trotting out this "fact."
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
1107
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Posted - 2014.01.03 19:26:00 -
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Oh my god this cookie thing is so addicting!!!! 
We need ship spinning improvements NAO or eve will die to this!!! |
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