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Hubbins	Posted - 2006.03.14 05:48:00 - [1] I am training for a Caldari AF and was wondering what people thought was better and also fitting for both. I am working on my gunnery skills and have decent missle skills. I dont have a bottomless wallet yet so the better bang for my buck is good. And yes, I know I have to train my skills more to use it good. Just looking for opinions. Thanks.
Falelorn	Posted - 2006.03.14 06:09:00 - [2] harpy
Mallik Hendrake	Posted - 2006.03.14 06:14:00 - [3] pvp, get the hawk. you can lose 6 for every harpy. -------------------------------------------- "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen." -- Parker, _The Way of the Gun_ Mallik Hendrake E X O D U S [I do not speak for E X O or IRON]
Jaeuhl	Posted - 2006.03.14 06:15:00 - [4] Just the price alone should tell you that the Harpy is more popular and in high demand, if you can afford it go for it. The Hawk although in the sexy blue camo just seems to not be specialized enough in it's bonuses to compete in comparison to the Harpy. I have both, it just too much longer to down ships in the Hawk even though I could tank longer...but I wouldn't need to tank longer if I could take down the ships with more firepower.
Exile Devaltos	Posted - 2006.03.14 06:28:00 - [5] Well if CCP give the Hawk one or two extra missle hardpoints, it would be teh danders missile boat! Think its been whined about in several threads already. I hope they do upgrade the Hawk though since my gunnery skills suck***, but my missile skills ownz0rz Originally by:** Wrangler Thats odd, I always drink after dealing with you people..
DoMxj	Posted - 2006.03.14 07:46:00 - [6] Harpy is Uber but much much expensive Hawk is less dmgdealer and works better with rockets blasters and a good tank. While harpy can snipe his victims from 90k out so u choose but remember always 150 on the harpy and always 2xweb :)
Elaina Cosengo	Posted - 2006.03.14 08:38:00 - [7] Originally by: DoMxj Harpy is Uber but much much expensive Hawk is less dmgdealer and works better with rockets blasters and a good tank. While harpy can snipe his victims from 90k out so u choose but remember always 150 on the harpy and always 2xweb :) OMGOMGOMGOMG always 125mm and warp out and back in at 20-15km from that 150mm moron, gets em everytime. 150 tracking sucks, wanna get killed by an Inty go ahead :D hahaha
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.03.14 10:13:00 - [8] The Hawk is a better tank - but that doesnt matter because the Harpy is already a good enough tank. The Hawks damage sucks. The only reason to use a Hawk is that its so rotten cheap. Which begs the question "why is it so cheap?" Wherever you went - here you are.
DoMxj	Posted - 2006.03.14 10:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Elaina Cosengo Originally by: DoMxj Harpy is Uber but much much expensive Hawk is less dmgdealer and works better with rockets blasters and a good tank. While harpy can snipe his victims from 90k out so u choose but remember always 150 on the harpy and always 2xweb :) OMGOMGOMGOMG always 125mm and warp out and back in at 20-15km from that 150mm moron, gets em everytime. 150 tracking sucks, wanna get killed by an Inty go ahead :D hahaha The point is not only kill a ceptor but also to kill cruisers and AF and try do that with 125 dmg also thats the reason that 2xwebs are a must so no ceptor ever gets out alive and if he decides to orbit 10k> well 150 hit just fine 125 do crappy dmg not worth it 150 ftw and 2xweb ftwwww
Zhon	Posted - 2006.03.14 11:06:00 - [10] Hawk is ment to use a Med. shield booster II while harpy can use a small and tank excellent. In my setup my harpy tanks better with a small shield booster than a hawk. x4 125mm II x1 Arb launcher x1 C5-L Small SB x1 Web or scram X1 Magnetic Scattering II X1 Med Shield Ext. X2 Power Diag II's 2144 shields 48% 60% 70% 80% With this set up I get a natural shield regen of 16 every 2 sec with the booster that comes up to 40 every 2 sec (Note the booster has a 1.6 delay not 2. I can run nthe guns and the launcher the SB and a web for a long time and even when i cap out the natural shield regen is a life saver. I went toe to toe with a all out damage harpy and took him to structure before he broke half shields. Only ship that i have come across that I cant beat is a retribution and nothing short of a cruiser will kill that things tank.
Maliber	Posted - 2006.03.14 11:17:00 - [11] my advice is buy a hawk. Its easier to fit and cheaper to lose. When you have a lot of isk and still like assault frigates go for the harpy. But you need a lot of skills to let it shine.
Bazman	Posted - 2006.03.14 11:22:00 - [12] Edited by: Bazman on 14/03/2006 11:26:06 Hawks are fun, while the Harpy is more useful in PVP, the Hawk can field one of the most powerful frigate tanks next to a Retribution (Or a Gisti Harpy, but those don't count :P). Being able to switch damage types is a big advantage too, you can really eat up another AF with a Hawk. I'm a big fan of the cap injector based tank, and it works good with the Hawk, considering the size of charges now ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Yaro	Posted - 2006.03.14 11:25:00 - [13] If u r gonna fly without afterburner...u will die to any cruiser/BC/Bs ...quickly...and any other AF will be able to run away from u
Asurix	Posted - 2006.03.14 11:37:00 - [14] the med shield extender setup is wicked, don't need an AB imo. I use: 4x 125mm II, 1x arb standard launcher 1x gistii a-type, magnetic scattering, web, med extender (named, forgot the name) 2x PDU II rip apart any AF besides a retribution, but retribution is THE tank and great damager so taht's fair IMO. If you're gonna be hunting cruisers switch that web for a scrambler. Great boat the harpy
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.03.14 12:28:00 - [15] Originally by: DoMxj The point is not only kill a ceptor but also to kill cruisers and AF and try do that with 125 dmg also thats the reason that 2xwebs are a must so no ceptor ever gets out alive and if he decides to orbit 10k> well 150 hit just fine 125 do crappy dmg not worth it 150 ftw and 2xweb ftwwww 150mm do 5% more dps than 125mm, and that's before considering tracking (which 125mm is better at) and the fact that the lower fitting of 125mm will probably allow to fit 1 or 2 more damage mods so in the end you do more damage with them. If you are not fitting your harpy for sniping (with tracking computers etc) there are no reason what so ever to use 150mm rails. But if it is sniping you want to do then of course you should use 150mm as their increased range compared to 125mm are substantial. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tadis	Posted - 2006.03.14 14:59:00 - [16] Originally by: Asurix I use: 4x 125mm II, 1x arb standard launcher 1x gistii a-type, magnetic scattering, web, med extender (named, forgot the name) 2x PDU II Interesting set-up :)
Antic	Posted - 2006.03.14 15:25:00 - [17] Theres more reasons for using 150mms. With good skills you can hit outside NOS range with AM ammo using 150mms. You can not do that with 125mms. I have used the following setup successfully in both fleet and small group pvp. 4x150mm IIs 1xSmall SB II 1xWeb 1xEM Amp II 1xAB II 1xTracking enhancer II 1xMag stab II With AS skill at lvl 5 and sharpshooting at lvl 5 i hit above 25km+ with AM ammo. And if you carry a spare compolement of Lead ammo you can hit much much further in larger battles before you get close and personal. And no, interceptors are not safe if they get under your guns in this setup. Many have tried and died. Harpy dosnt do as well in solo PVP compared to for example an enyo wich you can fly too with just training gallente frigate lvl 5 and thats quick as you already have most gunnery skills etc. Also harpy is relatively slow so solo you probably wont have many chances to control range. Even with AB lvl 5 and Acc control lvl 5. But in group and fleet, it shines for sure.
Kyozoku	Posted - 2006.03.14 16:09:00 - [18] 125s don't deal that much less and make it easier to fit 2 mag stabs with a tank. The only real advanage of 150s is range so there's not much point using them solo.
OrangeAfroMan	Posted - 2006.03.14 17:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Mallik Hendrake pvp, get the hawk. you can lose 6 for every harpy. QFT Also, the Hawk/Vengence/Jaguar are getting boosted in the next patch, so they will be equal to their counterparts
OrangeAfroMan	Posted - 2006.03.14 17:42:00 - [20] Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 14/03/2006 17:42:48 Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 14/03/2006 17:42:11 Originally by: DoMxj Originally by: Elaina Cosengo Originally by: DoMxj Harpy is Uber but much much expensive Hawk is less dmgdealer and works better with rockets blasters and a good tank. While harpy can snipe his victims from 90k out so u choose but remember always 150 on the harpy and always 2xweb :) OMGOMGOMGOMG always 125mm and warp out and back in at 20-15km from that 150mm moron, gets em everytime. 150 tracking sucks, wanna get killed by an Inty go ahead :D hahaha The point is not only kill a ceptor but also to kill cruisers and AF and try do that with 125 dmg also thats the reason that 2xwebs are a must so no ceptor ever gets out alive and if he decides to orbit 10k> well 150 hit just fine 125 do crappy dmg not worth it 150 ftw and 2xweb ftwwww You do realize that 125s do exactly the same DPS as and better DoT than 150s, dont you ?
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.03.15 00:31:00 - [21] Originally by: OrangeAfroMan You do realize that 125s do exactly the same DPS as and better DoT than 150s, dont you ? You also get alot less range with 125s. Some people like being able to have an optimal with AM that lets them stay outside of even Large NOS range. Also when it comes time to do some sniping, 150s beat out 125s by a longshot imo. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran

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