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DeadDuck
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Posted - 2006.03.14 11:08:00 -
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Does anyone already tried it ?
Looking at the new bonus, the ship seems with a lot of potential ... better then the Zealot ???
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AR5HAD
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Posted - 2006.03.14 11:13:00 -
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...damage output is a little better...but still no where as much as the mighty Zealot..
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.03.14 12:59:00 -
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Give the sac an extra low.
I mean, a sac is just a zealot with 2 less lowslots and a build in Energised Adaptive :)
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Celador Nane
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Posted - 2006.03.14 14:15:00 -
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Agreed, the sac needs another low or mid to give it any real use... or maybe a small drone bay buff :D
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.03.14 14:39:00 -
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Give it back the RoF bonus for Missile launchers, take away the laser damage bonus and give it an EM missile damage bonus. Then its usefull. But as long as a certain wont respond or even care about such concerns, its hopeless that it will have its heavy tackler role back.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.03.14 15:55:00 -
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Nah - dont change it :) I will feel stupid for exchanging my sacri for 2 geddons otherwise ;p
Other than that - check RMR ship setups. There was sth about new sacri before.
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Echo147
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:02:00 -
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Won't pay for it, since greedy producers saw fit to cash in on the changes (~140m now, doubled in price).
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Echo147
Won't pay for it, since greedy producers saw fit to cash in on the changes (~140m now, doubled in price).
Maybe it has something to do with the demand increasing, thus forcing the price upwards? Economics 101.
I personally think the sacriledge changes are stupid--it simply makes the ship into a wannabe zealot.
The sacriledge should be a different ship, not just a cheap version of an already existing one. For example, how about 4 missile slots and two missile damage bonuses? That would make it pretty decent.
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:17:00 -
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yeah its crappier than it used to be, it seems...
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Yaro
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:20:00 -
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Sacriliege can do some decent damage plus...u can fit cap injector and 2 med neutralisers...
With this setup it should kill a zealot...
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:24:00 -
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... until it is new zealot setup using cap boosters :)
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Yaro
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:31:00 -
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yes....but then i will be able to warp out....since zealot has got only 3 meds...and zealot without a weber suxx
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Vishnej on 14/03/2006 18:48:11
Edited by: Vishnej on 14/03/2006 18:47:24
Edited by: Vishnej on 14/03/2006 18:44:50
Edited by: Vishnej on 14/03/2006 18:42:02
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I personally think the sacriledge changes are stupid--it simply makes the ship into a wannabe zealot.
QFT
The challenge is to make it useful without making it:
A wannabe zealot (damage/RoF laser bonus + 4 turrets)
An wannabe eagle (+1 missile slot, +5% to EM missile dam)
A wannabe cerberus (+10% optimal, shieldbonus instead of armor)
All of which it's in danger of becoming.
The current changes make it just as useful as the zealot, by copying the zealot's setup and adding on a few hardpoints/hp/resists/cap. That's not what we want to see. All the other HACs are radically different from tier 1 to tier 2.
My solution, which I stand by from the original sac proposal:
Cruiser:+7.5% to armor/shield resists per level
Cruiser:-10% to laser capacitor use per level
HAC:+5% to missile RoF per level
HAC:+10% to laser optimal range per level
add 200-300 cap
4 turrets
3 missiles
No slot changes
The extra resists and the extra cap (besides having reasons to exist in the description + lore) give it back its specialty: being several times the tank of the rest of the HAC fleet, a grown up AF that won't be killed easily. At the same time, it restores the khanid heritage of dual shield/armor tanking and missiles playing a significant role. Cap/shield booster combo, meet CPR / RMR stacking penalty on malus' / shield booster combo.
And it does enough damage to make a big dent in the enemy, if not quite as much as the zealot.
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newfacex
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Posted - 2006.03.14 22:01:00 -
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Patch means that the Sacrilege now deals much more dmg, closer to the Zealot. But still can tank forever better than any other Hac.
What are ppl confused about?
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Toy
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Posted - 2006.03.14 22:06:00 -
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Can't the phantasm with 3 heavy pulse and 3 missile launchers outdamage the sac? I know it doesnt have the resistances, etc etc, but should the sac at least be able to outdamage the faction cruisers? |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.14 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Echo147
Won't pay for it, since greedy producers saw fit to cash in on the changes (~140m now, doubled in price).
Maybe it has something to do with the demand increasing, thus forcing the price upwards? Economics 101.
Nope, they're still not selling.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.14 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Echo147
Won't pay for it, since greedy producers saw fit to cash in on the changes (~140m now, doubled in price).
Then dont look in threads like this then.
Go ask for an inquisitor setup if you are that cheap
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.03.14 23:02:00 -
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sacrilege is still useless, and even more expensive then before. its stupid really.
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Alarik Semler
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Posted - 2006.03.14 23:56:00 -
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Why does everyone hate the sac? It's no zealot, but a lot of ships aren't.
It's not better than a zealot, and it's not worse.
Inject it. look at the Sac's big cargo. And really, this ship has a lot of grid. When I look at my Sac, and I see that it has 4 t2 focused, 2 heavy launchers, a burner, an injector, and two t2 medreps, I'm pretty impressed that I crammed all that on and had still run out of CPU first.
Personally I think you're in a pretty cool ship when a Deimos with Null ammo hits you for like 9 damage, but I guess that's just me.
It does fine damage too. People stand it next to zealots and then say that its damage sucks. It doesnt, it's just fine.
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Aizhan Aldeen
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:09:00 -
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Yup i concur...the sac works ..i have zero problems in it. So dunno abt all this *****in abt it..btw i have a zealot as well..and yes it does more dmg..but to say sac suck...methinks not.
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:12:00 -
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yeh i made a nice profit on the sac boost patch brought up about 10 of the little mites at 60-70m sold em on for a nice 120m
But still id rather fit it for 3x nos
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DeadDuck
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:55:00 -
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It has some very good advantages. A super tank, 4 med slots, and the drones... and now has the damage mod bonus to the turrets ... 
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.03.15 12:32:00 -
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I like the armor hp. I preffered the launcher rof bonsu tbh.
If they had changed the *range* bonus to a laser damage bonus, that would have been cool.
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dazedandconfused
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Posted - 2006.03.15 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: newfacex
Patch means that the Sacrilege now deals much more dmg, closer to the Zealot. But still can tank forever better than any other Hac.
What are ppl confused about?
My Zealot, though I just stick to my Absolution now, tanked just as good as my Sacrilege. This was the case since the Zealot is smaller and faster than the Sacrilege and it gets more low slots for a tank.
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dazedandconfused
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Posted - 2006.03.15 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Aizhan Aldeen
Yup i concur...the sac works ..i have zero problems in it. So dunno abt all this *****in abt it..btw i have a zealot as well..and yes it does more dmg..but to say sac suck...methinks not.
The Sacrilege might work, but currently it and the Zealot are almost identical, though the Zealot is still superior in most cases (tanking included). The only real advantage I see to the Sacrilege is the extra medium slot for EW and the extra highs for Nos. To be honest this is not different enough in my opinion to actually have a different ship :P. One might as well fly a curse if one wants EW.
Tell me this though, what in the name of all that is holy is the point of the missles slots then? It might as well not even have missle slots now.
All in all the Sacrilege doesn't suck, but one is alot better off flying another type of ship in my opinion like, say, an Absolution  .
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Metacannibal
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Posted - 2006.03.15 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Metacannibal on 15/03/2006 14:21:10
to make the sacrilege good you need to play its advantages. its a very very strong hac then, so think of a good setup along this line:
- two util slots vs one in the highs
- one more medslot, boost boost
- DRONEBAY (web+ecmdrones 4tw)
- truckload of grid+cap
if you even out the resists on the zealot you are pretty dead even on the lowslots, on the zealot you have better agility and speed and damage, on the sacrilege you have above advantages, each of them pretty interesting especially in "0.0 reality" given the realities of ecm tacklers and ganksquads.
i think the reason why the sacri sux according to most forum trolls is that its more difficult to setup and not as straightforward as the zealot.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.03.15 14:26:00 -
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ROFL. You guys dont get it do you - all hacs have 15 slots. slots wont be added to this ship. Try thinking of something else.
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dalgett
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Posted - 2006.03.15 19:58:00 -
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i have owned 2 sacs and plan to get another, and as i have lost both of them in pvp i still think it is a good ship. im being a bit stubborn tho as after training my missle skills all up to 5 im at pains to revert back to lasers cos surely the lasers will affect the cap and therefore ruin the tank.
im just gonna ignore the new bonuses and continue to use missles and nos, with teck2 launchers and missles and a balistic mod u can do quite reasonable damage while maintaining a good tank even without the rof bonus.
im sure u all think this stupit but i like the nos-missle set up and i spent ages training for it so bugger it. and as for the ship being similar to the zealot well its still alot cheaper and no matter how crap the nerf has made it it still looks alot cooler. and im a crap pvper and i cannot be arsed to have to cope with continually swapping crystals over while im really trying to concentrate on panacking.
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Yaman
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Posted - 2006.03.17 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Yaman on 17/03/2006 23:40:39
Edited by: Yaman on 17/03/2006 23:40:16
SACRILEGE IS PERFECT!
I JUST completed my setup for it with new bonuses. I do have to field test it yet though. If it can't hold the cap (which i HIGHLY doubt) then I have to go back to an alternative setup which is STILL REAL GOOD. It's the closest thing to perfect...actually it's the same thing only a modification for pvp or npc.
The only thing I can say is I've left a medium slot flexible that makes the difference between pvp and pve.
This setup is posted NO WHERE. (at least to my knowledge and I've been looking) Everyone disregards the Sacrilege and thinks the Zealot is better..but I got news for you..
I've setup the Sacrilege for MAX dmg and MAX defense. There simply is no other way to squeeze anything out of the poor girl. I've trained all my skills up to lvl5.
Well not adv. weapons upgrades BUT cpu isn't where we're short with the sacrilege.
I used to sell guides and I think I'm gonna get back into it. This one is just tooooo good to let go. Course EVE crashes on me randomly so I don't really play much lol... it's not like I'm going to get to surprise anyone with the setup. So I'll let it go for a price.
This is my most updated guide. Some of you may know me for the other guides I have. Those are a good starting place, but have been outdated.
THIS is brand new and covers the Sacrilege in its entirety with the new bonuses. I'll be writing a very comprehensive guide highlighting weaknesses (pff if any..no no there are) strengths, tactics, other ideas - trials that didn't work, etc.
I've compiled a lot of info from the forums and did my homework. Rest assured I've taken all the good notes from the forums and added my own two cents.
I used to charge 1mil for cruiser guides.. unsure of what I'll charge for this...
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Yaman
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Posted - 2006.03.17 23:51:00 -
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hey now, be nice :) we're all on the same side.
and no i don't want a cookie. i was just excited with things after coming back again to eve after taking a short break.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2006.03.17 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Yaman
Well not adv. weapons upgrades BUT cpu isn't where we're short with the sacrilege.
If you're going to be charging people for your expert opinion, you might want to figure out which skills do what first.
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Yaman
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Posted - 2006.03.18 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Yaman on 18/03/2006 01:47:30
oh i got them flipped.
thanks for pointing that out.
that MAY have a good effect on my setup....actually no, it won't matter.
it's hard to keep track of all the skills
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Yaman
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:10:00 -
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YUP. It's officially bad ass. wow. the sacrilege really dishes out some damage now thanks to those new bonuses.
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Junara
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Posted - 2006.03.18 22:07:00 -
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With all the help people offer to each other in this forum within the Eve community, to say you charge for ship set ups is insulting.
You should post your set up, and why it works, etc and contribute to the community and not take from it, then charge others.
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Cosmo Raata
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Posted - 2006.03.19 05:30:00 -
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People charge for much stupider things, let him do what he wants. sheesh, some people want to run the damn game.
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Yaman
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Posted - 2006.03.25 23:53:00 -
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you gonna tell me you can't afford a mil or two for info?
people buy info from me all the time. honestly i'm not a billionaire or anything at all. it goes back to research. you think buying every type of weapon and ship is cheap?
how many you think I buy and just leave sit? and you can't resell a lot of the things for what you paid for it most the time.
AND i've given out tons of free info.
so I will sell the guide for "donations" of 2mil. if you can't afford that then you probably shouldn't have the hac in the first place.
btw this is no different than selling characters for isk. people don't have all the time in the world to figure things out.
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Marcus Alkhaar
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Posted - 2006.03.26 00:28:00 -
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make the Sacrilege into the Amarr mini-phoon with split weapon systems!! YARR 
Missile RoF bonus -25%
Laser Damage bonus +25%
Laser cap usage -50%
Kinky Res Bonus +25%
Let the Whining begin 
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Lefia
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Posted - 2006.03.26 01:07:00 -
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Just pulled my sac out of retirement to refit it with the new bonuses, and I'm fairly impressed with the tank I can outfit it with and still do decent damage. With energized T2 armor hardeners I get better resists on my sac then I do on my zeal with more expensive faction stuff. Granted the damage output of the zeal is higher, but the sac has extra cargo and drones. I like my Zeal better I won't lie, but I think the Sac is definately going to see more battle time now.
Originally by: hired goon
I agree with every point and counter point that has been brought up in this and every other argument ever had.
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Aizhan Aldeen
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Posted - 2006.03.26 11:33:00 -
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The new sacrilege is gre8! i like it! My setup is for pve:
Hi: 4 x Heavy Pulse II, 2 x Arablest Assaults
Mids: 10MN Ab, 2 Cap rech II, 1 Webber 10km
Lows: 1 Med Rep II, 2 HS II, 1 Thermic Energised, 1 Energised Adaptive Nano II
Works well in 0.0/Level 4 mission space, can rat against anything barring those memory leak and lags.
for pvp, i use:
Hi's: 4 Heavy pulse II, 2 Med Nos
Mids: 1 Multispec ECM, 1 Webber, 1 Warp scram, 1 Cap rechg II/Sensor booster
Lows: 1 800mm Plate, 2 HS II, 1 Medium rep II, 1 Thermic Harderner
Dmg modifier will be around 7.9 for me. Dont really care if u wana flame my setups.
So far have no problems in this.
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Commander Thrawn
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 28/03/2006 18:48:11
Originally by: Aizhan Aldeen
The new sacrilege is gre8! i like it! My setup is for pve:
Hi: 4 x Heavy Pulse II, 2 x Arablest Assaults
Mids: 10MN Ab, 2 Cap rech II, 1 Webber 10km
Lows: 1 Med Rep II, 2 HS II, 1 Thermic Energised, 1 Energised Adaptive Nano II
Works well in 0.0/Level 4 mission space, can rat against anything barring those memory leak and lags.
for pvp, i use:
Hi's: 4 Heavy pulse II, 2 Med Nos
Mids: 1 Multispec ECM, 1 Webber, 1 Warp scram, 1 Cap rechg II/Sensor booster
Lows: 1 800mm Plate, 2 HS II, 1 Medium rep II, 1 Thermic Harderner
Dmg modifier will be around 7.9 for me. Dont really care if u wana flame my setups.
So far have no problems in this.
the pvp setup is very close to what i have
change the 2 heat sinks for energized adaptive nano 2s
only other major difference is the heavy pulse
i can't seem to fit them with the two nos
i have 4 medium focused pulse which greatly reduces my dmg output of course
now i only have advance weapon at level 2, which i the next skill im bringing up
will give me enough grid difference to make the difference, i really dont think so but i guess i will see
at least not without removing the 800plate and putting a 400 from what i have calculated
how are you fitting all this?
anyone have the numbers
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Maltor'Vak
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Posted - 2006.03.30 16:51:00 -
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Looking at the new bonuses, the new Sacrilege, looks almost identical to the retribution.
Can put on 4 t2 Lasers on it. Can use your lows to Repair, tank, and have Damage mods in it. Of course this is all for PvE.
In the mid slots you can us 10mn II AB, and really whatever else you want to fit on it.
Can out 2 medium NOS IIs in the highs....
I need to check out the reuirements. For PvP I might go with Beams for fleet setup...have to work with that as well.
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