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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2006.03.14 12:58:00 -
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With countless units of cargo shipping across the great trade routes and space lanes of the civilised world, security in an unending matter of concern for virtually every space faring organisation. Although not a particularly common issue, unauthorised personnel concealed aboard the holds of ships create a myriad of complications, ranging from accusations of smuggling to the threat of cross-contamination from infectious diseases. Legal cargo can be rifled and pillaged, vital systems including life support and onboard defence needlessly wasted due to incursion.
Such instances of distraction I am very sure are a common problem, considering the varying states of dock security through which corporate or privately owned vessels visit on their travels. The provision of a fully complimented dockyard gunnery detachment or cargo control tend to be less of a priority in the less travelled and populated systems, meaning that such lapses do happen despite the best of intentions.
The Royal Fleet Auxiliary has always operated a strict and direct ejection policy when it comes to those intruders discovered during transit, typically through the evacuation of such elements through the nearest airlock. Such actions although highly effective as a deterrent, are on some levels seen as needlessly harsh in face of commonly unarmed personnel, and so I am interested in the procedures of others on such circumstances.
Do others see the ejection policy as the correct course of action? Is there a more efficient alternative?
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.03.14 13:45:00 -
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I suggest dropping stowaways off at an educational facility such as Port Enlightenment.
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Aa'shraf Pasha
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Posted - 2006.03.14 14:56:00 -
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How very typical a response from an Amarrian,for some adventurous young souls,stowing away on an outbound freighter is the quickest and easyist way to satisfy a wanderlust that is all consuming.
Rather than commiting murder,cos really,what else can ya call it,why not allow your unexpected passenger to work his way onboard the ship,a pod pilot can only be in one place at once,and havin someone around to hunt spacefaring vermin,and please..no jokes that that is what a stowaway is,check that important cargo crates aint shakin emselves loose or anythin else that can free up your time to concentrate on warping and system scannin for any potential hazards.
Well,that was my two isks worth,im sure all you really want is other Amarr to come up with inventive ways to make this poor bleeders life unbearable.
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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2006.03.14 14:56:00 -
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Certainly an option, but this would mean diverting some of our heavy lifting freighters off course, which of course is an expensive option.
Do you have secure shipping to perhaps collect such miscreants en route to a given destination?
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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2006.03.14 15:12:00 -
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Anyone who wishes to serve on board a freighter should follow the proper channels and pay their way, not lurk around the cargo decks in the hope of getting a free ride. All those that serve on Auxiliary shipping have to go through a rigorous testing and training regime, and so even the remotest possibility of an unsanctioned passenger can put the entire crew at risk. Have you any idea what contagion can do within an isolated ecosystem such as a space faring vessel on a long haul trip?
Reckless self-servitude to wild notions of a care free life are no excuse for the selfish endangerment of others.
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2006.03.14 16:55:00 -
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Eject them.
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2006.03.14 17:45:00 -
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Isn't this why ships of classes larger than destroyers come equipped with a little room we like to refer to as "The Brig"?
I find it amusing that Vendrin would be so quick to submit someone to the frozen vaccuum of space while turning to fret about a mindless clone being turned into a drone to pilot a vessel.
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Jimmy Phelan
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Posted - 2006.03.14 17:55:00 -
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That's why my ship gots a clearly-writ port sticker what reads: "Cash, grass, or ass; nobody rides for free." Y'all just aren't labellin' yer ships right.
Funny then is, whenever I catches a stowaway board my ship, they's usually runnin' from the Amarr. In them cases, I transfers'm a few ISK and takes'm wherever they wants to go.
B'cause, ya know, they must have some sort a good reason to be runnin' from you Amarrians, aye?
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Lillith Blackheart
I find it amusing that Vendrin would be so quick to submit someone to the frozen vaccuum of space while turning to fret about a mindless clone being turned into a drone to pilot a vessel.
*raises an eyebrow and seems slightly confused* They aren't pod pilots. They aren't even crew. Why does it matter what we do to them? It is the most efficient way to deal with stowaways.
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:43:00 -
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They aren't pod pilots. They aren't even crew. Why does it matter what we do to them? It is the most efficient way to deal with stowaways.
And you claim that our methods of dealing with things are cold and heartless. They are people, you might recall. Ejecting them into the cold void is rather cruel, don't you think? In a frigate-class vessel, I suppose it makes sense, but when you're in anything larger than that, there is a Brig on the vessel, you can easily have them detained until you return dockside, where they can be handed over to the proper authorities, depending upon the Empire you hold your loyalty to.
Or is that too much work for you? So much for your hardworking Caldari shtick. Afraid to go above and beyond, eh?
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Tsual
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tsual on 14/03/2006 18:45:28
Offer them to either do some real harsh work or to get a free walk in vacuum without space suit.
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Jimmy Phelan
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Posted - 2006.03.14 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tsual
Offer them to either do some real harsh work or to get a free walk in vacuum without space suit.
Havin'm scrub the reactor core ain't much better'n chuckin'm out an airlock. Remember too, most of these folk are brethren.
Course, if'n they goes ta rippin out modules'n the like, I just vac the section they's in. There do be a limit ta common courtesy.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.03.14 20:56:00 -
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I have yet to discover an unofficial passenger wanting to enter the empire.
But I regularly have some of those on the way out of it.
None of them ever tried to hurt me. Not one destroyed any cargo. And they never endangered my ship.
Some have even proven themselves as very useful for their knowledge of the local security.
Infectious diseases ... my, my. Maybe you should stop treating people like goods?
The only contagious thing I find is a deep hatred for slave hunters, traders and owners in former slaves.
And stop visiting your lokal replacement of a real prophet. They got no good advice, never had and never will have. Start thinking for yourself. That's what being a human being is all about.
You should start the day with smiling at yourself in front of a mirrior. It really helps. Invite the persons for tea. Prepare a meal together. Be polite. Have a good laugh.
It really lightens up my life to see persons leaving behind all their life, their friends and known environments stop watching their back for a few moments, or even daring a smile.
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2006.03.14 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lillith Blackheart
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They aren't pod pilots. They aren't even crew. Why does it matter what we do to them? It is the most efficient way to deal with stowaways.
And you claim that our methods of dealing with things are cold and heartless. They are people, you might recall. Ejecting them into the cold void is rather cruel, don't you think?
If they wished to continue living they should have obeyed the law. I have no mercy for them or for you, or for the Blood Raiders or any other group that breaks the law.
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Chiralos
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Posted - 2006.03.15 00:48:00 -
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You can't just space them for God's sake, they are people.
I've had one or two in my time, what I do is this: charge them full passenger fees for their passage for however long they were aboard, and when they can't pay, have the local magistrate declare them your property. Depending on the local beuracracy, you may have to wait a month or two to see if some relative shows up with the cash, but in most cases you've got yourself a new slave.
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Morgana Janan
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Posted - 2006.03.15 05:14:00 -
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You see that sheen on my Thorax? That is done with the hands - and toothbrushes - of fools who snuck aboard my ship. It seems a useful and fair trade. They make my ship clean and shiny, and I don't have them stuffed in the drone bay.
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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2006.03.15 10:08:00 -
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Strange, if I get stowaways I always make sure I profit from it.
Be it from them "volunteering" to work off their debt to me in the form of labour or me "renting" them out to someone who let's them "work" for them.
Either way, if you stowaway on one of my ships the fareprice will be a lot higher then just buying transportation.
Somehow the word got spread around and now I hardly ever find an adventuring person on my ships.
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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2006.03.15 11:25:00 -
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Racial slander and generalisation aside, within this particular issue the world is not the rosy, happy place that you seem to have elaborated on. For many within the Empire the risks of trade are great enough, without the un-necessary presence of those trying their luck by hiding amongst the cargo holds. These transients are often trying to hide from the very security measures that are the cornerstone of modern space travel, often for far more nefarious means then any plight of a common refugee.
The risks go further then the safety and security of the host vessel and itÆs crew, some vessels lack the capability to maintain adequate life support (depending on the cargo) and so the personal risk is notable.
Perhaps as a warning to others and for the good of all, the practice of æspacingÆ should continue? Granted it is a rather unpleasant demise, but it would discourage others from attempting such practices as shown by previous statements?
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Tommy TenKreds
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Posted - 2006.03.15 12:39:00 -
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Can't say that I've ever had this problem. Perhaps my pre-embarkation security scans are more rigorous than most?
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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2006.03.15 14:30:00 -
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Hmm interesting, what is your standard vessel and cargo? What procedures do you adhere to?
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Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2006.03.16 07:00:00 -
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Odd. I never had any problems with this. I agree with Mr. Phelan, it probably is a labelling issue. All my airlocks and loading ramps are marked in all four major languages:
"Caution: In space, the hold is depressurized and not included in general life support systems. Unauthorized travel will result in your death. Contact the loading crew for a safer mode of travel."
I make enough money to offer people a ride if they want to. However, most decline once they learn the next stopover is a Black Market Hub defended by many warships or a similar landmark.
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Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.03.16 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Karl Mattar on 16/03/2006 23:43:46
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Kailea Shandrasekkar
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Posted - 2006.03.17 19:28:00 -
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A few ISKs and some time 'till you drop 'em at your home base, and you've got friends which will die for you. Seems a good cost/profit relation, if you ask me.
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Dane Savo
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Posted - 2006.03.17 19:55:00 -
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My ship, my rules. I say space 'em unless they can earn a place at the table. If they're not handy with a wrench, they'd better be able to sprout wings and fly.
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Tommy TenKreds
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Posted - 2006.03.21 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen
Hmm interesting, what is your standard vessel and cargo? What procedures do you adhere to?
Actually, it's probably more due to the lack of space.
Even the most desperate of stowaways is unlikely to attempt concealing themselves inside one of Planck generator containers squeezed into the hold. If they did, I doubt I'd find much trace of them. 
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.03.21 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
I suggest dropping stowaways off at an educational facility such as Port Enlightenment.
Uh huh. Where is that again?
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Felix Cole
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Posted - 2006.03.21 04:19:00 -
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I have found that stow aways are a great source for experienced crew. I acctually found my first mate for my Badger II when he stowed away while I was delivering a load of cattle to Amsen a few months back. He also knows all the tricks and now I tend not to have to worry at all about miscrents as he keeps a eye out for that kind of thing. Sure once in a while I may see a new face on the security screens in my pod as we are on a run, but I can only assume he is helping one of his friends from the old days and I can accept that.. After all what would the EVE be without friends?
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.03.21 05:28:00 -
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I have yet to encounter this problem first hand, but since I stared flying cruisers and battleships I have made a point of having my ships fully crewed. As part of having a crew I found in prudent to have the means to have the facilities and staff to deal with disciplinary issues with the crew, for example lateness or unfitness for duty, insubordination, and so on.
To this end I always have a fully equipped brig included on the ship specs at the builders yard. Further more I staffed it with trained provost staff who can deal with everything from petty theft to mess room brawls.
In any case of unauthorized passengers the provosts would move in to locate and secure the individual/s and arrest them, using shock mauls if necessary. Once locked up in the brig their identity could be established (where possible) and assuming that they were not fugitives from any recognised law enforcement agency they could be released to the station militia of the next port of call under relevant trespass charges.
In the event that they are wanted criminals then the law agency concerned would be contacted and arrangements made to hand them over would be made. Of course any rewards or bounties due would be collected at this time.
I do not think that cold blooded murder is called for here, certainly this is the actions all civilized captains should take when within the boundarys of regulated empire space. What happens out in lawless space I would thik was largely a matter of the captains standards of behaviour and code of conduct and of course common decency.
From some of the banal comments of several postees I am seriously concerned about the lawful conduct not to mention common decency of many pod pilots.
Squadron Leader Strikeclone
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Herman Letchenstein
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Posted - 2006.03.23 23:41:00 -
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I don't want to sound mean but, how can wretched stow-away leeches in any way be good for profits? Bottom line is, if you have stow-aways, you are loosing profit. Even if they were to pay, I would not accept. I am just too busy with clients. I have time-lines to meet and people are depending on me to deliver the goods. Just the detainment alone eats into my margins. At first I had these criminals aboard a few times but since, have learned how to deal with the situation. Lets just say it is clean and efficient. Out of site...out of mind.
Rolls up sleaves and turns to market monitor
Please excuse me but I am loosing money discussing such trivial matters...
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.03.24 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Herman Letchenstein
I don't want to sound mean but, how can wretched stow-away leeches in any way be good for profits? Bottom line is, if you have stow-aways, you are loosing profit. Even if they were to pay, I would not accept. I am just too busy with clients. I have time-lines to meet and people are depending on me to deliver the goods. Just the detainment alone eats into my margins. At first I had these criminals aboard a few times but since, have learned how to deal with the situation. Lets just say it is clean and efficient. Out of site...out of mind.
Rolls up sleaves and turns to market monitor
Please excuse me but I am loosing money discussing such trivial matters...
Man if you are so concerned with profits you need to get a shorter name, i missed out on several lucrative agent missions just trying to pronounce it
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