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Jal Sireyl	Posted - 2006.03.15 13:54:00 - [1] I've ordered one of those nifty 'gaming keyboards' from Logitech (mainly because of the backlit keys), and apparently it has specialized keys that can run macros. As I understand it, these are just key-press macros, not the sort of super-complex macros people use for AFK mining and such. So my question is: Are these at all legal? The only macro I can conceive of making using these, as there are so few keyboard shortcuts in EVE, is one to fire all of my weapons simultaneously. This is mostly for cosmetic purposes; I like the idea of a nice coordinated volley, rather than the random spastic firing sequences I tend to get from mashing the F1-Fwhatever keys as quickly as I can. I must say, it's a feature I was surprised NOT to find in EVE. So can one be banned for using one of these 'gaming keyboards' to fire in volleys? Or is that acceptable?
Asane	Posted - 2006.03.15 13:56:00 - [2] Last time I checked that thingy is legal.
Avon	Posted - 2006.03.15 14:01:00 - [3] They are fine. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Jal Sireyl	Posted - 2006.03.15 14:13:00 - [4] That's good to know, thanks. I may desire the aesthetic symmetry of a coordinated railgun volley, but not so much that I'm willing to commit account suicide for it.
Swamp Ziro	Posted - 2006.03.15 14:30:00 - [5] Do you realize how strange you come off? :P It's your own damn keyboard you paid for! Also, legal or not, it's not a software macro, it's more like using a cup of coffee to press all the buttons together, so they can't track it anyway.
Olsen'Kra	Posted - 2006.03.15 14:31:00 - [6] I thought this was pretty cool Here is another thread on the G15
Captain Tightpants	Posted - 2006.03.15 15:10:00 - [7] Just don't play WoW with it
Jal Sireyl	Posted - 2006.03.15 15:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Swamp Ziro Do you realize how strange you come off? :P It's your own damn keyboard you paid for! Also, legal or not, it's not a software macro, it's more like using a cup of coffee to press all the buttons together, so they can't track it anyway. What's strange about requesting a clarification of the rules so that I do not accidentally violate them and wind up banned as a vile macro-er? If it had turned out that the G15 was illegal, I would either have cancelled the order or simply avoided using the macro keys. Olsen'Kra, thanks for the link to that other thread.
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.03.15 16:04:00 - [9] Actually, there are a few threads at http://www.g15forums.com/ about how WoW DOES allow the G15. It's all about how the macro's go. you can't chain macro's in such a way that you can AFK Mine or something. And that is what they are worried about. I do find it exceptionally usefull to for weapons. Fire all guns at once. Half/half, pairs, tripples, all guns/no missles, all missles, no guns and so on. Love it. And if we can get the LCD Display to show some in game info, would be even better. - - "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." H.L. Mencken.
Avon	Posted - 2006.03.15 16:24:00 - [10] Originally by: Eternal Fury And if we can get the LCD Display to show some in game info, would be even better. I saw a picture of the server stat graph on that display - can't remember where though. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Ilya Murametz	Posted - 2006.03.15 16:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Eternal Fury And if we can get the LCD Display to show some in game info, would be even better. I saw a picture of the server stat graph on that display - can't remember where though. Scroll up about 3-4 replys on this page
Avon	Posted - 2006.03.15 16:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Ilya Murametz Originally by: Avon Originally by: Eternal Fury And if we can get the LCD Display to show some in game info, would be even better. I saw a picture of the server stat graph on that display - can't remember where though. Scroll up about 3-4 replys on this page Gah, imageshack is blocked from here - I guess it is the picture I was talking about? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Wilvarin Sense	Posted - 2006.03.15 16:51:00 - [13] Who needs a keyboard with macro keys and an LCD display when you can use a model m?
Jon Hawkes	Posted - 2006.03.15 16:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Captain Tightpants Just don't play WoW with it CCP ought to sticky that page for all the whingers who think customer support and GM feedback on Eve is poor. I guess this makes you realise how good the interaction between CCP Staff and customers really is. Keep up the good work guys! ~Free production, refining and POS resouces site~
Threv Echandari	Posted - 2006.03.15 16:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Jal Sireyl ....BIG SNIP... I like the idea of a nice coordinated volley, rather than the random spastic firing sequences I tend to get from mashing the F1-Fwhatever keys as quickly as I can. I must say, it's a feature I was surprised NOT to find in EVE. Careful of what you say The last time someone mentioned that EVE doesn't have configurable Weapon Profiles, Alpha Strike (or Tab through targets) A Bunch of lamers started flaming the poor guy calling him Lazy and What not. I too am surprised and disappointed as I compare this game to Mechwarrior and I am so used to having different weapon groups and stuff. While we are on the Same Topic I use a SAITEK Keyboard the has a programmable Pad that attaches to the keyboard (kind of like a separate Numbers keypad). So I can program my Firing Mode, Open Carg/Dronebays, Autopilot and a couple of other functions. It works very well, it has backlit keys and is half the price of the G-15 Threv Caldari Prime > Luminaire
Valan	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:06:00 - [16] I use a Nostromo N52 as my F keys are partially obscured, I have a pull out keyboard draw. Anyone trying to use a mouse to click on stuff while lagged knows the importance of keys.
Natania Z	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:06:00 - [17] I do it with my mouse, there are 6 programable buttons on it, it's quite handy, G7 -Ice-
Avon	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:13:00 - [18] Edited by: Avon on 15/03/2006 17:14:19 I have trained a load of performing gerbils to press my keys for me. Unfortunately they tend to **** ( p o o p is filtered? this has gone too far!) everywhere. I call them muckros. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Gaius Vitellius	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:16:00 - [19] I ended up buying a nice Nostromo n52 Speedpad for my eve hotkeys. I've programed my weapons, autopilot, select-all, scanner, cargo-bay, drone bay, Reload, afterburner, repair and few other things all within reach of my left hand. It has made combat SOOOOOOO much easier with everything handy.
Swamp Ziro	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:23:00 - [20] What is the CHEAPEST POSSIBLE macro programmable keyboard on the market at the moment?
Emmerich Steiner	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:41:00 - [21] Edited by: Emmerich Steiner on 15/03/2006 17:43:19 Probably the g15.. You can remap your media keys but all that will do is allow you to map them as let say the "S" key... AFAIK only the g15 and a handfull of others allow you to bind keystrokes. Though on paper tht nostromo says it can, I haven't played with one yet, so I can say if it does or not. And I think you can get those for like 35 bucks USD. But I have only seen the g15, and though it is a little pricey I think it is well worth it. -- Good thing to know that I can use the g15 without fear now :D.. I actaully made my alpha strike macro with random time delays between the buttons to make it look like I was pressing them instead of being a lazy bastard.
Swamp Ziro	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:55:00 - [22] thats a bit expensive for me :( Never payed more than 5euros for a keyboard...
Jal Sireyl	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Threv Echandari Careful of what you say The last time someone mentioned that EVE doesn't have configurable Weapon Profiles, Alpha Strike (or Tab through targets) A Bunch of lamers started flaming the poor guy calling him Lazy and What not. I too am surprised and disappointed as I compare this game to Mechwarrior and I am so used to having different weapon groups and stuff. While we are on the Same Topic I use a SAITEK Keyboard the has a programmable Pad that attaches to the keyboard (kind of like a separate Numbers keypad). So I can program my Firing Mode, Open Carg/Dronebays, Autopilot and a couple of other functions. It works very well, it has backlit keys and is half the price of the G-15 I guess some people will try to smite you for anything Thanks for the advice; I tried a Saitek keyboard, and wasn't as pleased with the ease of typing. As I spend much more time typing than gaming, that's important to me. Avon... That's a good system. I prefer white mice, myself; akin to Monty Python's 'mouse organ'.
Wild Fox	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Swamp Ziro What is the CHEAPEST POSSIBLE macro programmable keyboard on the market at the moment? Get a Nostromo. They're like $20 or so. As an added bonus you get to keep your real keyboard :-)
Kyozoku	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:45:00 - [25] I wish theey made left handed nostromos
Swamp Ziro	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:50:00 - [26] You mean nostromos for left-handers? Because they already are left-handed, but that works only for right handed ppl :D
Walton Simons	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:52:00 - [27] Edited by: Walton Simons on 15/03/2006 18:57:07 For some reason now EVE blocks my Logitech G15's "G" key macros :( Anyone else encountered this? EDIT Does anyone know where that EVE program for the G15 from? It looks better than my CPU and RAM usage :P
Helper Monkey	Posted - 2006.03.15 19:09:00 - [28] Edited by: Helper Monkey on 15/03/2006 19:12:52 Originally by: Walton Simons Edited by: Walton Simons on 15/03/2006 18:57:07 For some reason now EVE blocks my Logitech G15's "G" key macros :( Anyone else encountered this? EDIT Does anyone know where that EVE program for the G15 from? It looks better than my CPU and RAM usage :P what program for the g15 and eve ?
Walton Simons	Posted - 2006.03.15 19:17:00 - [29] This is what i mean... Originally by: Olsen'Kra I thought this was pretty cool
SghnDubh	Posted - 2006.03.15 20:01:00 - [30] Edited by: SghnDubh on 15/03/2006 20:01:42 Originally by: Captain Tightpants Just don't play WoW with it Pfft. Why would you play WoW anyway? What doesn't kill you makes you stronger... Fight Smart: www.BattleClinic.com

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