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Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 16:55:00 - [31] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 09/09/2003 17:00:14 Quote: Edited by: dalman on 09/09/2003 16:09:43 Quote: not all these numbers are correct but stuff is happening and people are ***ing, isnt there 4 posts on this now Try something like 15 threads I'm not trying to work against the few news available. Rather for them. The fact is they face the same problems as real life news. They need to post news FAST, but make sure they are correct. By posting these news, they achieved 2 things: 1. "Minor" EVE players read their news and now believes "OMG RUS/m0o/Sin really own". 2. "Major" EVE players read thier news, but quickly learns that the news was very wrong. With the only result that these players now has less trust when reading future news from EVE guardian. I'm very aware of how hard it can be to get a responce from the other part of a conflict. But a quick look at the map would have revealed that nothing had happened in Stain. The map would have shown the usual numbers, like 5-10 ships destroyed and 1 or 2 pods destroyed in the entire Stain region during the last 24 hours. And also that there were not an unsual number of pilots in any system in Stain. And it's also a simple fact that none from MASS has denied our losses. The only things we're *ing about are: 1. The "maybe an exploit" way we were killed. 2. That Sinister members are bragging about how much they rock when they were docked in stations while RUS were fighting. In fact, the VERY FIRST post about this was not made by Sinister/m0o. It was made in the already active thread "RUS + m0o + Sinister = TRUE? [pic]" in the general discussion. Kashej from RUS made the vague post "btw....where is eve-i news team ? SA being wooped in FD? w00t?", to witch I responded: Quote: Well, yea, I'm dead. My first ship loss ever. But it was FUN*. Thanks! I guess losses in the latest weeks are quite even now The posts on the forum during the following 3 HOURS!!! was made in a good way, by members from RUS and MASS. Then the flame party started when "all" members from Sinister and m0o started new threads about how much they rock. edit* And the news flash on EVE guardian was made 13 hours after the first post on the forum. But as I said, I'm not trying to stop news. I'm trying to get MORE news about player events in EVE, and to make the players who spend their time on this to be even more dedicated to doing so. I cannot see a thing you are doing that is "pro news" at all dalman. They posted one brief flash in which they clearly stated the information was one sided and unconfirmed. You just made a frikkin huge issue out of it setting out to make them look as bad as possible - why? Whats the gain?
Moralis	Posted - 2003.09.09 17:37:00 - [32] Quote: By posting these news, they achieved 2 things: 1. "Minor" EVE players read their news and now believes "OMG RUS/m0o/Sin really own". 2. "Major" EVE players read thier news, but quickly learns that the news was very wrong. With the only result that these players now has less trust when reading future news from EVE guardian. Dalman, That so much crok its unbelieveable. 1) Rus/SIN did own you and the FA. FACT. 2) They weren't wrong about anything. They said they couldnt confirm the details and they said the information had come from Sinister only. The only people giving dodgy info are PsXDnS and you making a major rant out of nothing.
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.09 17:56:00 - [33] "You just made a frikkin huge issue out of it setting out to make them look as bad as possible - why? Whats the gain?" I'm fully aware that none can be online 24/7. And by reading the posts on EVE guardian it seems most of them are american. I'm critical about 2 things: 1. A "news flash" where the only source seems to be PsX(who seems to have mixed up their battle with MASS and their battle in Fountain) should not say that they have raided Stain and destroyed 19 battleships(even if they state the information is unverified), but rather only that they had destroyed several SA ships. 2. When more information is available an update should be made. I certainly hope that it doesn't make the people behind EVE guardian to feel down. Or believe I'm angry with them, cause I'm definately not, I'm just stating that every time a sensational post is made and it turns out to be very incorrect, it undermines the credability of the news provider. I want their "news paper" to keep evolving and be even better in the future. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Drutort	Posted - 2003.09.09 18:05:00 - [34] cough... do you know how many ships were lost do to the tactic of camping the jump in point? thats all i will say... you can go find the facts proof's whatever you want on your own and then come up with your own conclusion... and other factors that had an effect on the ship loses etc... just the stats and facts, they pretty much show you what really was the reason and why... if you look into it you will find the answers btw im not pointing at one thing as i said there are more then one factor's involved quite a few but you have to account for all of them in your conclusion. support Idea: QuickInfo* an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.09 18:10:00 - [35] Dalman, That so much crok its unbelieveable. 1) Rus/SIN did own you and the FA. FACT. 2) They weren't wrong about anything. They said they couldnt confirm the details and they said the information had come from Sinister only. The only people giving dodgy info are PsXDnS and you making a major rant out of nothing. ahh, yea, the famous Moralis has spoken. Hmm, how come I've never seen you ingame? May it be because of the fact that "Moralis" is an alt of yours which you only use to talk in this forum. Ask your russian friends to get some info correct(or try asking "DragonHart" why he doesn't have a bounty). MASS and RUS has always had a nice relationship where we respect each other despite our war. But for Sinister... M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 18:21:00 - [36] Im starting to wonder if we are reading the same thing? It clearly states: "Sinister is claiming at least 19 kills". How the hell this affects the credibility of EVE Guardian I have no idea. You're second point is also pre-emptive considering its only now the 9th..and if they're americans they arent even home from work yet. Quote: every time a sensational post is made and it turns out to be very incorrect, it undermines the credability of the news provider/quote] Dalman i honestly don't get it. I know you enough to not understand why you're being so accusatory about this. Its a totally inocuos report that clearly states its origins/nature and it isnt sensationalist. (I agree it looks like PsX got his battles mixed up fwiw, thus his f-up not theirs) I know you guys got your arses kicked unfairly but I hardly see taking it out on this news lot will make you feel any better. Theres nothing wrong with what they printed. Its clear, states the source and states its unconfirmed by them or by SA who they've tried to contact.
Jericho	Posted - 2003.09.09 18:29:00 - [37] FCUCCK RUS... I WILL OWN THOSE FUCCKCCK RUSSIANS WITH MY VELATOR :P j/k, as you can tell by the mistype... Seriously, get a better tactic than camping entry points. Frankly, it is lame.. like your economy :)
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.09 18:35:00 - [38] Quote: It clearly states: "Sinister is claiming at least 19 kills". How the hell this affects the credibility of EVE Guardian I have no idea. I won't continue this. This will be my last post regarding Guardian. What I'm talking about is that when you read their news, you see that they clearly states the only source is PsX from Sinister. But some people does not. In fact, I believe most people does not. And that becomes obvious by reading the initial post in this thread. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Ezra	Posted - 2003.09.09 18:43:00 - [39] Edited by: Ezra on 09/09/2003 18:44:54 Quote: /em screams mentally Ezra - many reasons: Mostly though that the FIRST thing people want to know is numbers. Wonder why? Because otherwise it is just "opinion without facts", and guess what, somebody complains that you are deliberately hiding numbers for XYZ reasons. That newsflash clearly stated it was unconfirmed numbers and only one side had responded with info. It was a flash not an in-depth report. Nothing more is required if people read what is written and keep off the "lets start a witch-hunt" brew. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. :( Note that I was trying to provide a suggestion, not criticize the way you've tried to run things. You've done a good job so far with your attempts, it's sad that it's near impossible to keep someone from screaming bloody murder about your (or someone else's) reporting. Which is why I suggested that comments on the "success" of an operation also be omitted. Simply, at the most, "X and Y are going at it." Nonetheless, there are many problems involved in trying to set up a news source. No matter how it's done, someone's going to *****. ------------ Ezra Cornell pe0n, Xanadu Corporation
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 18:49:00 - [40] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 09/09/2003 18:52:27 Ok now you are totally baffling me...this isn't a conspiracy theory. The initial post here is wondering what RUS/Sinsiter are up to kicking so much arse in such a short period of time. So am I, because the fact is they have done just that...and I love to know why. I dont see why you're taking it out on EG. (Ezra - i dont do news anymore, I gave up for these precise reasons, people dont read whats written only what they want to see.. but you're spot on, somebody always *****es. It jsut bugs me when its for no real reason, I can udnerstand it if its deliberately biased or one sided or plain lies but... c'mon.)
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.09 19:02:00 - [41] haha, ok, I'll make a responce Well, I fail to see that he's asking why they do it. And instead I see him saying "This amazing task, the combined firepower, their swift decission making and their extreme mobility, is likely to be leaving most EVE..." and referring to EVE Guardian. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 19:28:00 - [42] Quote: And instead I see him saying "This amazing task, the combined firepower, their swift decission making and their extreme mobility, is likely to be leaving most EVE..." Thats rather more to do with him being a RUSkie dalman, you can tell by the way he writes.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.09 19:36:00 - [43] If RUS are pirates then they go against the norm. They don't exploit. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Ezra	Posted - 2003.09.09 19:47:00 - [44] Quote: Edited by: Morkt Drak on 09/09/2003 18:52:27 Ok now you are totally baffling me...this isn't a conspiracy theory. The initial post here is wondering what RUS/Sinsiter are up to kicking so much arse in such a short period of time. So am I, because the fact is they have done just that...and I love to know why. I dont see why you're taking it out on EG. (Ezra - i dont do news anymore, I gave up for these precise reasons, people dont read whats written only what they want to see.. but you're spot on, somebody always *****es. It jsut bugs me when its for no real reason, I can udnerstand it if its deliberately biased or one sided or plain lies but... c'mon.) Yeah, couldn't remember if you had come back or not. I know MDW came back without you involved. It's sad, you did a good job. Maybe a little TOO controversial with some of your "insider" scoops, but still a good job. ------------ Ezra Cornell pe0n, Xanadu Corporation
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.09 20:05:00 - [45] Edited by: dalman on 09/09/2003 20:50:15 deleted. ahhhaha, ok. Thats why I found your post strange. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.09 20:44:00 - [46] It's so hard to emote sarcasm LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Askari	Posted - 2003.09.10 09:18:00 - [47] I wonder if TTi paid to put the FA onto the defensive? Politics within Politics... its like the Dune universe! ---------------- ~= Askari =~ Urza's Factory http://www.mikeward.uk.com/urzas

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