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Intruders	Posted - 2003.09.09 11:39:00 - [1] As we read it from GUARDIAN the last 3 days Quote: Evolution Returns to Fountain Posted by Cerys Ereint on 09 Sep 2003 - 10:15 As of approximately 1800 09-08, Evolution pulled its fleet back to fountain. The exact reason is unknown, but it seems likely that this represents a shift from an offensive to a defensive posture. With Evolution aiding the NVA, Fountain has been subject to numerous raids from both TTi and the M0O/SIN/RUS "alliance". Hours earlier, this "pirate" alliance launched a devastating attack against Fountain, destroying between (reports vary) 17 and 27 battleships. This threat to Evolution's home territory seems reason enough for them to return and secure their space. With Evolution back in Fountain, the nearby pirate alliance operating out of Syndicate will have to be more cautious in their attacks against Fountain fleets. NEWSFLASH: RUS/Sinister raid Stain! Posted by Leo Graf on 08 Sep 2003 - 04:24 FLASH: RUS/Sinister forces are reportedly engaging the Stain Allaince at this time. Eyewitness reports are sketchy but PsXDnS (Sinister) is claiming at least 19 kills by their joint forces. We have been unable to confirm these claims with representatives of the Stain Alliance. Speculation as to the cause of this action, and the previously reported actions against the Fountain Alliance by the same forces, runs rampant. Trap Sprung, Fountain Alliance in shock! Posted by Leo Graf on 08 Sep 2003 - 02:14 Reports have filtered in from our sources that a major disaster has struck the military might of the Fountain Alliance. Both RUS and Sinister have claimed that for a loss of 2 battleships, they managed to completely destroy 17 battleships belonging to the various corporations that form the Fountain Alliance. An un-named source from within the FA has confirmed that they have lost at least 17 battleships in two different engagements within Fountain territory. Reports are sketchy as to the exact tactics that where used, but the un-named FA member confirmed that the majority of FA losses where incurred at the jump-in point within A-1CON. It is uncertain the true extent of the pirate fleet, but the memories of the recently re-animated pilots indicate that Sinister and RUS where able to assemble a fleet of at least 10 battleships. One pilot's medical records indicate that he came out of the imprint process, and immediately needed to be sedated. He is rumored to be undergoing counseling within FA medical facilities for "Jump Trauma" as he continues to attribute his death to a failed jump. There have been no reports of pilots who where unable to complete their imprint process before their pods where destroyed. Representatives of FA's clone contractors have attributed this to recent advances in the imprinting process that they use. It seems that ther notorious alliance between M0o/Sin/RUS with RUS being the most instrumental force behind these events, is responsible for the destruction of more than 40+ battleships and numerous other cruisers and lesser size scout and runabout vessels in those last three days which their exact number shall never be known, with most of those unfortunate fleets belonging to pilots and regional alliances that did not actually reside even in the same regions, but came from all over across the edges of the galaxy. This amazing task, the combined firepower, their swift decission making and their extreme mobility, is likely to be leaving most EVE universe captains in awe, as it seems that those pilots are carrying on succesfully up to the reputation of their Iron Curtain USSR predecesors huge war machine and their effective and feared "long range politics" that once has reigned across the globe on our homeplanet back in the old days shaking the earthly nations. and this article probably would belong to the RP and Events forums Every man lives..but not every man dies! My sig sux
Alexia Te'Len	Posted - 2003.09.09 11:45:00 - [2] How many of thm were destroyed away from Jump Gates and without lag-inducing tactics?
sutty	Posted - 2003.09.09 11:46:00 - [3] mmm 40 is abit much, but 17 was destroyed for defo, no evol losses tho
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.09 11:47:00 - [4] Lets wait and see how long before their military might and self-confidence causes them to crumble from within, just like what happened in the old Earth days. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Indigo Seqi	Posted - 2003.09.09 11:47:00 - [5] "Warp cancelled"
sutty	Posted - 2003.09.09 11:47:00 - [6] to the above question :) lets leave that **** out, ships was destroyed it was a really well timed trap by m0o,sin/Rus. lets leave it at that ok.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 11:59:00 - [7] Quote: mmm 40 is abit much, but 17 was destroyed for defo, no evol losses tho 17 against "your lot" (FA) and about 19 against SA as I read it... which is getting on for forty in all.
Intruders	Posted - 2003.09.09 12:00:00 - [8] Just a neutral bystander with no fanboi tendencies could not help myself but to speculate about the numbers of lost ships as most EVE pilots might have, since its a well observed tactic that no one of the waring opponents feels it is wise to reveal the actuall number of casualties in war. As to someones tactics one can not comment because if he wasnt there, Im just awed from the outcome and the displayed mobility of this alliance in such a short notice. Every man lives..but not every man dies! My sig sux
Trasp Ortatore	Posted - 2003.09.09 12:14:00 - [9] not really being ready to travel to 0.0 systems as such and still living in the noob corp i'm kinda a little confused.. Moo / Sinister / Rus allienece = Pirates ? FA / Stain = Alliainces that dont let people enter their systems without huge tolls (i heard 1 mil but not sure of my facts) ? so the Pirates attack the alliences.. who are the good guys and who are the Bad guys?? Trasp,
Archain	Posted - 2003.09.09 12:23:00 - [10] lol, indeed....who are the bad guys? Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.09 12:24:00 - [11] Edited by: dalman on 09/09/2003 12:35:56 Sorry guys, but the news about Stain is wrong... Read the threads here and you'll figure out how many ships we lost and how... Let's say that not even the pirates can say it was fair. And, well, should I be happy or sad that when MASS do something people say it was Stain alliance? edit And it was us attacking the pirates. MASS has had small fleets in FD-MLJ over the past weeks, keeping the pirates in station. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.09 12:32:00 - [12] Quote: not really being ready to travel to 0.0 systems as such and still living in the noob corp i'm kinda a little confused.. Moo / Sinister / Rus allienece = Pirates ? FA / Stain = Alliainces that dont let people enter their systems without huge tolls (i heard 1 mil but not sure of my facts) ? so the Pirates attack the alliences.. who are the good guys and who are the Bad guys?? Trasp, My responce to that is... 1. If you're not really ready to travel to 0.0 space you're certainly not ready to go to Stain. So we should not be any problem for you. 2. Stain does not sell passports. A hunting pass can be aquired for free through diplomatics. 3. What people don't realize is that if we would post our list of corp standings, you'd find out that the number of corps with positive standings are much greater than the ones with negative. And among those negative are mostly corps that the "nobody" citizen in EVE regards as pirates. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 12:38:00 - [13] Quote: Sorry guys, but the news about Stain is wrong... Read the threads here and you'll figure out how many ships we lost and how... Let's say that not even the pirates can say it was fair. And, well, should I be happy or sad that when MASS do something people say it was Stain alliance? Yeah ive seen that (incident and) thread, however that was a single incident was it not? (Everybody knows it wasn't fair btw) As for MASS = SA... well that depends I guess on whether they meant just MASS or SA. Sinister + RUS = pirates? (No need to include m0o anymore as m0o=sinister). Im not sure I would class RUS as "pirates", they just dont like people who "claim" regions.
Intruders	Posted - 2003.09.09 12:39:00 - [14] I ve beem thinking that these spectacular last 3 days events were able to be put together because there was a Scope reporting the political situation so people could plan actions without confusion. To my thoughts this also led many other people to be active in what they perceived to be an active universe. Been reading this forum from many months now and every little bit or precius info is being lost through flames at any relevant thread because the players could not recognise fact from fiction, when it is not the players that have to be blamed about this. We still in need of news sources, not to just play the game better and for every players true potential to be released like it might have happened with the VA TTI SA FA M0o Sin RUS(you name it) alliances, but to even be able to post in this forum right about in game events. Kind to think of it, at these last days following the Scope reports, the number of activities of people might have skyrocketed instead of plain mining and NPC scouting, with some plain estimations I could say that around 1000 players must have involved at those events someway or the other. Thats about the 1/5 of the EVE population in peak times. There is nothing wrong with the game, neither the players, we just dont have a clue what is going on, but when we do its RP and PvP fantasy out there in the World of EVE! Every man lives..but not every man dies! My sig sux
Rust	Posted - 2003.09.09 12:58:00 - [15] Edited by: Rust on 09/09/2003 13:00:24 Quote: Quote: Sorry guys, but the news about Stain is wrong... Read the threads here and you'll figure out how many ships we lost and how... Let's say that not even the pirates can say it was fair. And, well, should I be happy or sad that when MASS do something people say it was Stain alliance? Yeah ive seen that (incident and) thread, however that was a single incident was it not? (Everybody knows it wasn't fair btw) As for MASS = SA... well that depends I guess on whether they meant just MASS or SA. Sinister + RUS = pirates? (No need to include m0o anymore as m0o=sinister). Im not sure I would class RUS as "pirates", they just dont like people who "claim" regions. Well if we are looking at more than one incident - then we should be looking at ships lost on all sides. Over the last couple of weeks we have averaged one or two RUS a day. It is my honest opinion that honours are even with RUS if we look at total ships lost over last two weeks. That is not including Pirates such as Sinister that we have killed many of. Even the incident we lost 9 ships, don't forget RUS and Sinister lost 3. So yes we are losing ships, but so are the other side. They may have us fpr breakfast - but we lunch on them. Are RUS now pirates? Well they spend most of their time with Sinister and Mo0 gate camping. I assume they are killing people there - perhaps those that have attacked might like to post if RUS join in.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 13:03:00 - [16] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 09/09/2003 13:09:52 The few active days of The Scope saw user-logons go up by over 1000 more players than usuall... for a period of days. "Knowing what was going on" made EVE come to life for many many players, even if they weren't directly involved. I believe strongly that many people misunderstand the importance of "news" in a single-instance game like EVE, especially wihtout any "universal" chat channel from which to glean information. I've been in the position EVE Guardian is in now and let me tell you that getting the number of ships 100% accurate isnt the issue, only the petty minded should be bothered by that, telling the GALAXY what happened in a general sense is important. Even in this thread we have clearly seen how poorly information gets around; with a player saying "It cant be forty it was only 17" and apparently totally unaware that the number included other attacks elsewhere. People need to stop criticising the news services and start helping them, they invariably know a HELL of a lot more of what is going on in EVE generally than any player does or ever will and, as this thread has shown, many corporations and individuals have problems getting beyond the "local" perspective. Where a news service gets figures "wrong" its becuase either the two sides didnt agree on figures or one side didn't bother to reply to questions. Its easier for a corp to come here and deny numbers than it is for them to be open with news services it seems. STOP being part of the problem and START being part of the solution - help you local news service! (This has been a party political broadcast on behalf of the EVE News Association) Edit: Rust, no offence but Quote: Well if we are looking at more than one incident - then we should be looking at ships lost on all sides. Did you go give this information to EVE Guardian? Because if you didn't then you exemplify the player type that i came across in MDW: willing to complain but not willing to communicate and give information. If figures are wrong its YOUR fault as much as anybody elses. You have no idea how many times I have asked "the other side" to corroborate or deny incidents for MDW and never even received a reply.
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.09 13:24:00 - [17] Morkt, you know I completely agree about what your saying. EVE needs news about what's happening. However, it can not be our responsability to directly inform everyone who's trying to provide news. If PsX informs EVE guardian that they have raided Stain and destroyed 17 Stain battleships, it should be EVE guarding who tries to verify that. If they had contacted us we could have gave them correct info. If they had read the forum they would have found out that it was in fact MASS attacking RUS/Sinister in FD-MLJ and that we lost 10 battleship at the spawnpoint. Both sides has stated that was correct in several threads here. PsX simply tops my list of most unreliable person in EVE. That EVE guardian is trying to provide news is GREAT, but it would be even better if they checked that the news is correct before posting it. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 13:41:00 - [18] Aye - that came out a tab bit "harsher" than it was meant to. (I dont know how EG verify their info but one supposes they do so.) My point is that its bloody easy to complain here but bloody hard to get reliable info. From my experience people don't bother responding when they are asked for verification... or they promise to look into it and then vanish for a week. Its fine to have a five day thread about who killed what, but that isnt how you do news. You do it as it comes in, not five days later after 3 thread inquests and a trial by forum...that is a luxury news services don't have. This is something people need to understand and help with not keeping smacking news services over the head and saying they're ****e because they got your mother's friends pet dog's name wrong. It should be obvious that if you just lost XXX ships its going to be newsworthy - come on, that aint rocket science. I find it hard to believe that nobody thought it would be a good idea to let EG know your side of the story.. certianly I didn't expect people to have gold-embossed invitations before they could speak to me on MDW. - - - - As to informing "all the news services" - afaik there IS only one news service left in EVE: and thats EG.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 13:48:00 - [19] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 09/09/2003 13:51:51 Quote: FLASH: RUS/Sinister forces are reportedly engaging the Stain Allaince at this time. Eyewitness reports are sketchy but PsXDnS (Sinister) is claiming at least 19 kills by their joint forces. *We have been unable to confirm these claims with representatives of the Stain Alliance.* Speculation as to the cause of this action, and the previously reported actions against the Fountain Alliance by the same forces, runs rampant. In fact re-reading that news snippet it specifically says they couldn't get a response from SA and that the figure given was from only one side. I dont see what else they can do in the circumstances... not too mention it was a newsflash NOT an article and that it hasnt yet been followed up. (It all but says "we dont have a clue whats going but theres a big fight going down") Honestly it baffles me why people are so eager to rip the guts out of news services then bemoan their dissapearence after they quit. edit: S'ok im shutting up now - just ive "been there" and I know how frustrating it is.
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.09 13:51:00 - [20] News services need to just not give a **. Or they need to start taking bribes like the current ones do. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't**" -----------------------------------------------
Ezra	Posted - 2003.09.09 13:52:00 - [21] Well, it seems that the biggest source of disputes in news reports combat incidents is ship losses. How about a news source that forbids any claims of ship losses on other sides. i.e. "Corp X and Corp Y are going at it in Luminaire", rather than "Corp X says they destroyed n Corp Y battleships with minimal losses" followed by Corp Y saying they destroyed m Corp X battleships with minimal losses. i.e. don't include any measures of "success" in news reports of large scale combat, just information that something happened, who whas involved, and where, POSSIBLY going into why if the corporations involve wish to discuss that. Such as "Tired of raids into their space, the Foo Alliance went on the offensive and attacked b33f Corp in their home system of Yulai". Oh, coolest thing to happen to EVE in the past week or two: EVE Radio. Possibly some of the player news sources could have discussions with the DJs of airing breaking news on the stream, if acceptable policies for type of news and content of news can be agreed upon. ------------ Ezra Cornell pe0n, Xanadu Corporation
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 13:59:00 - [22] /em screams mentally Ezra - many reasons: Mostly though that the FIRST thing people want to know is numbers. Wonder why? Because otherwise it is just "opinion without facts", and guess what, somebody complains that you are deliberately hiding numbers for XYZ reasons. That newsflash clearly stated it was unconfirmed numbers and only one side had responded with info. It was a flash not an in-depth report. Nothing more is required if people read what is written and keep off the "lets start a witch-hunt" brew.
Intruders	Posted - 2003.09.09 14:01:00 - [23] Each side reporting about their activity after it happened can help both of their future efforts and strategy planing in the future also. How many times didnt opposite waring factions spend lots of time seeking for their opponents in wrong place and wrong time? Players residing in central American regions playing in their regular hours, organized hunting parties to seek for players from Europian eastern time? Thats the easiest example someone can think off. When someone wrongly assumed that news services reporting, were bad for his wellfare and intended to shut the newswire down, he probably didnt have a clear view about how a newservice could also help him A LOT in his ventures, because each side must report their own stuff, so he could also compare those public results for being legitimate with those from his insiders who might have told him whatever they wanted. Newservices can help all regardless of political sides, people who tent to hold a different viewpoint and disagree with news reports being a part of a game with a RL like content, must take a harder look and realise what impact the RL newservices have to our everyday lifes. This game also reflects RL in its major aspects, it cant be different here, than how it is out there. Every man lives..but not every man dies! My sig sux
Fortoye Drak	Posted - 2003.09.09 14:20:00 - [24] /me picks up Morkt's rattle and hands it back to his CEO Press Liason Big-Bang Burger Bar - Neocom Site
Rust	Posted - 2003.09.09 15:25:00 - [25] Quote: Edited by: Morkt Drak on 09/09/2003 13:51:51 Quote: FLASH: RUS/Sinister forces are reportedly engaging the Stain Allaince at this time. Eyewitness reports are sketchy but PsXDnS (Sinister) is claiming at least 19 kills by their joint forces. *We have been unable to confirm these claims with representatives of the Stain Alliance.* Speculation as to the cause of this action, and the previously reported actions against the Fountain Alliance by the same forces, runs rampant. In fact re-reading that news snippet it specifically says they couldn't get a response from SA and that the figure given was from only one side. I dont see what else they can do in the circumstances... not too mention it was a newsflash NOT an article and that it hasnt yet been followed up. (It all but says "we dont have a clue whats going but theres a big fight going down") Honestly it baffles me why people are so eager to rip the guts out of news services then bemoan their dissapearence after they quit. edit: S'ok im shutting up now - just ive "been there" and I know how frustrating it is. We are very concerned that Morkt Drak has yet to deny that he is in the pay of TTi. Nope - nobody asked me either. Your quote reads to me that they haven't asked - not that anybody refused.
tekforce	Posted - 2003.09.09 15:31:00 - [26] not all these numbers are correct but stuff is happening and people are *****ing, isnt there 4 posts on this now
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 15:43:00 - [27] Hehe well TTi do actually pay me on a regular basis, they just don't know they do. So i better not deny that one!
Rust	Posted - 2003.09.09 15:48:00 - [28] I would have talked too - it can get boring in pod
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.09 16:03:00 - [29] Edited by: dalman on 09/09/2003 16:09:43 Quote: not all these numbers are correct but stuff is happening and people are ***ing, isnt there 4 posts on this now Try something like 15 threads I'm not trying to work against the few news available. Rather for them. The fact is they face the same problems as real life news. They need to post news FAST, but make sure they are correct. By posting these news, they achieved 2 things: 1. "Minor" EVE players read their news and now believes "OMG RUS/m0o/Sin really own". 2. "Major" EVE players read thier news, but quickly learns that the news was very wrong. With the only result that these players now has less trust when reading future news from EVE guardian. I'm very aware of how hard it can be to get a responce from the other part of a conflict. But a quick look at the map would have revealed that nothing had happened in Stain. The map would have shown the usual numbers, like 5-10 ships destroyed and 1 or 2 pods destroyed in the entire Stain region during the last 24 hours. And also that there were not an unsual number of pilots in any system in Stain. And it's also a simple fact that none from MASS has denied our losses. The only things we're *ing about are: 1. The "maybe an exploit" way we were killed. 2. That Sinister members are bragging about how much they rock when they were docked in stations while RUS were fighting. In fact, the VERY FIRST post about this was not made by Sinister/m0o. It was made in the already active thread "RUS + m0o + Sinister = TRUE? [pic]" in the general discussion. Kashej from RUS made the vague post "btw....where is eve-i news team ? SA being wooped in FD? w00t?", to witch I responded: Quote: Well, yea, I'm dead. My first ship loss ever. But it was FUN*. Thanks! I guess losses in the latest weeks are quite even now The posts on the forum during the following 3 HOURS!!! was made in a good way, by members from RUS and MASS. Then the flame party started when "all" members from Sinister and m0o started new threads about how much they rock. edit* And the news flash on EVE guardian was made 13 hours after the first post on the forum. But as I said, I'm not trying to stop news. I'm trying to get MORE news about player events in EVE, and to make the players who spend their time on this to be even more dedicated to doing so. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
PropanElgen	Posted - 2003.09.09 16:26:00 - [30] Quote: not really being ready to travel to 0.0 systems as such and still living in the noob corp i'm kinda a little confused.. Moo / Sinister / Rus allienece = Pirates ? FA / Stain = Alliainces that dont let people enter their systems without huge tolls (i heard 1 mil but not sure of my facts) ? so the Pirates attack the alliences.. who are the good guys and who are the Bad guys?? Trasp, They are all badguys. All the angels and the puny men of god looked away... Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 16:55:00 - [31] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 09/09/2003 17:00:14 Quote: Edited by: dalman on 09/09/2003 16:09:43 Quote: not all these numbers are correct but stuff is happening and people are ***ing, isnt there 4 posts on this now Try something like 15 threads I'm not trying to work against the few news available. Rather for them. The fact is they face the same problems as real life news. They need to post news FAST, but make sure they are correct. By posting these news, they achieved 2 things: 1. "Minor" EVE players read their news and now believes "OMG RUS/m0o/Sin really own". 2. "Major" EVE players read thier news, but quickly learns that the news was very wrong. With the only result that these players now has less trust when reading future news from EVE guardian. I'm very aware of how hard it can be to get a responce from the other part of a conflict. But a quick look at the map would have revealed that nothing had happened in Stain. The map would have shown the usual numbers, like 5-10 ships destroyed and 1 or 2 pods destroyed in the entire Stain region during the last 24 hours. And also that there were not an unsual number of pilots in any system in Stain. And it's also a simple fact that none from MASS has denied our losses. The only things we're *ing about are: 1. The "maybe an exploit" way we were killed. 2. That Sinister members are bragging about how much they rock when they were docked in stations while RUS were fighting. In fact, the VERY FIRST post about this was not made by Sinister/m0o. It was made in the already active thread "RUS + m0o + Sinister = TRUE? [pic]" in the general discussion. Kashej from RUS made the vague post "btw....where is eve-i news team ? SA being wooped in FD? w00t?", to witch I responded: Quote: Well, yea, I'm dead. My first ship loss ever. But it was FUN*. Thanks! I guess losses in the latest weeks are quite even now The posts on the forum during the following 3 HOURS!!! was made in a good way, by members from RUS and MASS. Then the flame party started when "all" members from Sinister and m0o started new threads about how much they rock. edit* And the news flash on EVE guardian was made 13 hours after the first post on the forum. But as I said, I'm not trying to stop news. I'm trying to get MORE news about player events in EVE, and to make the players who spend their time on this to be even more dedicated to doing so. I cannot see a thing you are doing that is "pro news" at all dalman. They posted one brief flash in which they clearly stated the information was one sided and unconfirmed. You just made a frikkin huge issue out of it setting out to make them look as bad as possible - why? Whats the gain?
Moralis	Posted - 2003.09.09 17:37:00 - [32] Quote: By posting these news, they achieved 2 things: 1. "Minor" EVE players read their news and now believes "OMG RUS/m0o/Sin really own". 2. "Major" EVE players read thier news, but quickly learns that the news was very wrong. With the only result that these players now has less trust when reading future news from EVE guardian. Dalman, That so much crok its unbelieveable. 1) Rus/SIN did own you and the FA. FACT. 2) They weren't wrong about anything. They said they couldnt confirm the details and they said the information had come from Sinister only. The only people giving dodgy info are PsXDnS and you making a major rant out of nothing.
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.09 17:56:00 - [33] "You just made a frikkin huge issue out of it setting out to make them look as bad as possible - why? Whats the gain?" I'm fully aware that none can be online 24/7. And by reading the posts on EVE guardian it seems most of them are american. I'm critical about 2 things: 1. A "news flash" where the only source seems to be PsX(who seems to have mixed up their battle with MASS and their battle in Fountain) should not say that they have raided Stain and destroyed 19 battleships(even if they state the information is unverified), but rather only that they had destroyed several SA ships. 2. When more information is available an update should be made. I certainly hope that it doesn't make the people behind EVE guardian to feel down. Or believe I'm angry with them, cause I'm definately not, I'm just stating that every time a sensational post is made and it turns out to be very incorrect, it undermines the credability of the news provider. I want their "news paper" to keep evolving and be even better in the future. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Drutort	Posted - 2003.09.09 18:05:00 - [34] cough... do you know how many ships were lost do to the tactic of camping the jump in point? thats all i will say... you can go find the facts proof's whatever you want on your own and then come up with your own conclusion... and other factors that had an effect on the ship loses etc... just the stats and facts, they pretty much show you what really was the reason and why... if you look into it you will find the answers btw im not pointing at one thing as i said there are more then one factor's involved quite a few but you have to account for all of them in your conclusion. support Idea: QuickInfo* an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.09 18:10:00 - [35] Dalman, That so much crok its unbelieveable. 1) Rus/SIN did own you and the FA. FACT. 2) They weren't wrong about anything. They said they couldnt confirm the details and they said the information had come from Sinister only. The only people giving dodgy info are PsXDnS and you making a major rant out of nothing. ahh, yea, the famous Moralis has spoken. Hmm, how come I've never seen you ingame? May it be because of the fact that "Moralis" is an alt of yours which you only use to talk in this forum. Ask your russian friends to get some info correct(or try asking "DragonHart" why he doesn't have a bounty). MASS and RUS has always had a nice relationship where we respect each other despite our war. But for Sinister... M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 18:21:00 - [36] Im starting to wonder if we are reading the same thing? It clearly states: "Sinister is claiming at least 19 kills". How the hell this affects the credibility of EVE Guardian I have no idea. You're second point is also pre-emptive considering its only now the 9th..and if they're americans they arent even home from work yet. Quote: every time a sensational post is made and it turns out to be very incorrect, it undermines the credability of the news provider/quote] Dalman i honestly don't get it. I know you enough to not understand why you're being so accusatory about this. Its a totally inocuos report that clearly states its origins/nature and it isnt sensationalist. (I agree it looks like PsX got his battles mixed up fwiw, thus his f-up not theirs) I know you guys got your arses kicked unfairly but I hardly see taking it out on this news lot will make you feel any better. Theres nothing wrong with what they printed. Its clear, states the source and states its unconfirmed by them or by SA who they've tried to contact.
Jericho	Posted - 2003.09.09 18:29:00 - [37] FCUCCK RUS... I WILL OWN THOSE FUCCKCCK RUSSIANS WITH MY VELATOR :P j/k, as you can tell by the mistype... Seriously, get a better tactic than camping entry points. Frankly, it is lame.. like your economy :)
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.09 18:35:00 - [38] Quote: It clearly states: "Sinister is claiming at least 19 kills". How the hell this affects the credibility of EVE Guardian I have no idea. I won't continue this. This will be my last post regarding Guardian. What I'm talking about is that when you read their news, you see that they clearly states the only source is PsX from Sinister. But some people does not. In fact, I believe most people does not. And that becomes obvious by reading the initial post in this thread. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Ezra	Posted - 2003.09.09 18:43:00 - [39] Edited by: Ezra on 09/09/2003 18:44:54 Quote: /em screams mentally Ezra - many reasons: Mostly though that the FIRST thing people want to know is numbers. Wonder why? Because otherwise it is just "opinion without facts", and guess what, somebody complains that you are deliberately hiding numbers for XYZ reasons. That newsflash clearly stated it was unconfirmed numbers and only one side had responded with info. It was a flash not an in-depth report. Nothing more is required if people read what is written and keep off the "lets start a witch-hunt" brew. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. :( Note that I was trying to provide a suggestion, not criticize the way you've tried to run things. You've done a good job so far with your attempts, it's sad that it's near impossible to keep someone from screaming bloody murder about your (or someone else's) reporting. Which is why I suggested that comments on the "success" of an operation also be omitted. Simply, at the most, "X and Y are going at it." Nonetheless, there are many problems involved in trying to set up a news source. No matter how it's done, someone's going to *****. ------------ Ezra Cornell pe0n, Xanadu Corporation
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 18:49:00 - [40] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 09/09/2003 18:52:27 Ok now you are totally baffling me...this isn't a conspiracy theory. The initial post here is wondering what RUS/Sinsiter are up to kicking so much arse in such a short period of time. So am I, because the fact is they have done just that...and I love to know why. I dont see why you're taking it out on EG. (Ezra - i dont do news anymore, I gave up for these precise reasons, people dont read whats written only what they want to see.. but you're spot on, somebody always *****es. It jsut bugs me when its for no real reason, I can udnerstand it if its deliberately biased or one sided or plain lies but... c'mon.)
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.09 19:02:00 - [41] haha, ok, I'll make a responce Well, I fail to see that he's asking why they do it. And instead I see him saying "This amazing task, the combined firepower, their swift decission making and their extreme mobility, is likely to be leaving most EVE..." and referring to EVE Guardian. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.09 19:28:00 - [42] Quote: And instead I see him saying "This amazing task, the combined firepower, their swift decission making and their extreme mobility, is likely to be leaving most EVE..." Thats rather more to do with him being a RUSkie dalman, you can tell by the way he writes.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.09 19:36:00 - [43] If RUS are pirates then they go against the norm. They don't exploit. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Ezra	Posted - 2003.09.09 19:47:00 - [44] Quote: Edited by: Morkt Drak on 09/09/2003 18:52:27 Ok now you are totally baffling me...this isn't a conspiracy theory. The initial post here is wondering what RUS/Sinsiter are up to kicking so much arse in such a short period of time. So am I, because the fact is they have done just that...and I love to know why. I dont see why you're taking it out on EG. (Ezra - i dont do news anymore, I gave up for these precise reasons, people dont read whats written only what they want to see.. but you're spot on, somebody always *****es. It jsut bugs me when its for no real reason, I can udnerstand it if its deliberately biased or one sided or plain lies but... c'mon.) Yeah, couldn't remember if you had come back or not. I know MDW came back without you involved. It's sad, you did a good job. Maybe a little TOO controversial with some of your "insider" scoops, but still a good job. ------------ Ezra Cornell pe0n, Xanadu Corporation
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.09 20:05:00 - [45] Edited by: dalman on 09/09/2003 20:50:15 deleted. ahhhaha, ok. Thats why I found your post strange. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.09 20:44:00 - [46] It's so hard to emote sarcasm LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Askari	Posted - 2003.09.10 09:18:00 - [47] I wonder if TTi paid to put the FA onto the defensive? Politics within Politics... its like the Dune universe! ---------------- ~= Askari =~ Urza's Factory http://www.mikeward.uk.com/urzas

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