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Tamora
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Posted - 2006.03.17 00:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Liberace
Could he be cheating to get these agent offers? It doesn't seem right that a pirate who never runs missions should get all these offers while many hardworking, honest players from industrial corps aren't getting offers even though they actually run R&D missions.
You sir are an idiot and you have no knowledge what so ever as to how the lottery actually works.
*thumps josh in the face with an oversized wet fish - possibly some kind of stingray or mantis*
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Maggot
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Posted - 2006.03.17 11:19:00 -
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If you have been into research from the start and picked the right streams then 9 BPOs is quite probable.
Its all a game of estimating probabilities. For example those people who specialised in running tech 2 ammo streams have done very well. I know one character who has got 4 bpos from 5 agents since tech 2 ammo became available. The sheer volume of tech 2 ammo prints makes this actually very likely. My estimations on those with 5 agents running ammo streams could expect to get 2 prints on average.
Over two years if a player kept picking the right areas then 9 bpos or more for a single player will happen.
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Felix Cole
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Posted - 2006.03.17 14:26:00 -
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Nice to see the mods are keeping this on track.. 
So much hate in one place.. pretty sad really
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2006.03.17 19:40:00 -
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Afaik his latest BPO (Trevedian's) is some ammo bpo, not a ship. So...
Anyway, Travedian plays for longer than all the T2 lottery whiners combined  so please stop the complaining now. He had all the time to get these bpos.
I myself bought one bpo off hims 2y or so ago...
Thanks.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.03.18 13:46:00 -
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Erm actually I just got another one this morning...
2006.03.18 12:33
Our research has been fruitful. If you're interested, I believe we could have a patentable Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Blueprint. Contact
me as soon as possible if you're interested.
Thats #10!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Mar vel
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Posted - 2006.03.19 01:14:00 -
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FUBAR. Something sick and wrong about that. No offense Trav, and congrats, but the way the "lottery system" is supposed to work, it should be mathematically impossible (or at least incredibly improbable) for one person to repeatedly get bpo offers.
Joshua, I believe you wrote a post on the calculation at one point a very long time ago (or someone did). - care to share that "ticketing schematic / formula" with us again?
To summarize: one player repeatedly getting T2 BPO offers (and I don;t care what field you're in at this point - they all have massive amounts of tickets) - this would be akin to me winning the Megabucks lottery 6 times in a year (at least in terms of matehmatical probability).
CCP, come on. This is just an insult. You guys have known for YEARS that this system sucks, and you've not done a thing about it. Address this, if you dare.
Originally by: Trevedian
Erm actually I just got another one this morning...
2006.03.18 12:33
Our research has been fruitful. If you're interested, I believe we could have a patentable Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Blueprint. Contact
me as soon as possible if you're interested.
Thats #10!
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Arkive
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Posted - 2006.03.19 19:31:00 -
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If the guy researchs areas that are not highly sought after, then of course he is going to get more. Also, there's going to be a Bell curve in relation to anything based on random selection. Over the course of the 3 years he's played, he's gotten 10, and perhaps he is the only one to do so, but there's probably 4 or 5 who have gotten 8 BPO's, and 20-30 who have gotten 6 BPO's, until you get down to the masses who have gotten only a few, or one...or even none. I know it must be frustrating, but there are also mission runners who spend very long amounts of time accruing LP's to get that faction BS they want only to never get the offer, so it's not just you in the Research field that is feeling the pain of randomness.
I do think that perhaps someone earlier may have been spot on the money when they suggested that perhaps there's two lotteries for every BPO, one for the agent who will give it out, and another for the researcher under that agent that will receive it. If that's true, even if they curve the chances towards the higher quality agents, it's still likely that the folks who use the lower quality agents will have a higher chance due to the fact that people gravitate toward the higher end agents.
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2006.03.19 21:30:00 -
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Grats trav.
The whiners please stop it.
In a luck based system things like that are bound to happen. You wouldn't be saying it's cheating if it was you.
I've won 3 BPO's and still think it's the crappiest system ever devised 
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Talae
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Posted - 2006.03.19 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Helena Freelove
Just goes to show this whole BPO "Lottery" is rubbish. We did an experiment at uni and proved that there is no such thing as "random" on a computer, sooner or later patterns turn up. This means some people will be gettin BPO's again and again whilst most will not even stand a chance. CCp should really rethink the way they are handed out or whether they should be infinite, but that would mean admitting they were wrong so i don't think either will happen
Helena,
The reason that "random" functions on a computer can appear as non-random is because they may operate off a pre-seeded set of random numbers. Also, "random" numbers taken from the computer still have to be interpreted, so even if the source numbers themselves are random, there may be rounding errors or other implementation flaws which result in some numbers being more or less likely to appear as output.
However, I would be very careful about making the conclusion that "there is no such thing as "random" on a computer" for two reasons:
First, it is very, very, very hard to truly prove a negative. (Essentially impossible)
Second, your experiment surely did not include the random number generation functions used by every system, so there are significant scope issues.
I'm sure your experiment gave some useful data, but I doubt it proved something with such far-reaching implications as you suggest.
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0bsession
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Posted - 2006.03.20 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Erm actually I just got another one this morning...
2006.03.18 12:33
Our research has been fruitful. If you're interested, I believe we could have a patentable Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Blueprint. Contact
me as soon as possible if you're interested.
Thats #10!
They handing out t2 bpos still? I thought everything dropped already? Is this true?
Oh, and yea... Trev prolly did get all those offers, but he mentioned before that he has like 4 or 5 or 6 accounts... maybe more... all with r&d agents maxed. So basically, he's a research*****.
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0bsession
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Posted - 2006.03.20 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: ElCoCo
Grats trav.
The whiners please stop it.
In a luck based system things like that are bound to happen. You wouldn't be saying it's cheating if it was you.
I've won 3 BPO's and still think it's the crappiest system ever devised
whats worse than a whiner is a whiner who whines about whiners. Atleast whiners have a reason to whine about... all you whine about are whines... whats that all about?
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9854365
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Posted - 2006.03.20 04:49:00 -
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Baah I have 12 bpo's and im new...go away troll
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2006.03.20 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mar vel
To summarize: one player repeatedly getting T2 BPO offers (and I don;t care what field you're in at this point - they all have massive amounts of tickets) - this would be akin to me winning the Megabucks lottery 6 times in a year (at least in terms of matehmatical probability).
You DO know that after you get a t2 bpo offer from an agent, and accept it all the RP you gained with that agent is set to NILL? You dont keep the RP points as well as the bpo you accepted.
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.20 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: Sensor Error on 20/03/2006 10:32:52
oh get over it! No one is ever going to get forced out of this game, so quit ya whining! PvP create demand for people who build ships and guns and ammo. Remove PvP and your demand goes through the floor. Remove the trade skills and there is no supply. EvE is predominantly a PvP game, and I think that anyone who hates the "other camp" is an idiot and a fool. I'm going to go before my right eye implode with fury.
Originally by: Mar vel
FUBAR. Something sick and wrong about that. No offense Trav, and congrats, but the way the "lottery system" is suppo*snip*
Hence the sweeping t2 changes comming in Kali.
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
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Now run along and play with your dolls...
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.20 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sensor Error on 20/03/2006 10:32:44
ARGH. FECKING DOUBLE POST!
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
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Now run along and play with your dolls...
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Mama Don'tLie
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Posted - 2006.03.20 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tjakka
WTF are you whining about carebear yiou wanna tell us that a pirate shouldnt be able to get a T2 bpo or something?
Its wrong somone gets so many bpos but the thing about "honest" players and Industerial corps is just bull**** 1st class.
you are a pathetic lil ****.
btw the Industerial corps are all but honest you ppl selling things at ripoff prices for some mods and ships.
now get back under your rock and no it aint a cheat
Hmmm i suggest an insane action :D les declare wars to al t2 bpos' owners :D MWAHAWHAWHWAHHAWHWAHWAHH
am i joking? u tell me :D
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