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Liberace	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:36:00 - [1] I just read in the sell orders forum someone is claiming to have gotten their 9th Tech 2 BPO Offer. The characters name is Trevedian, and he claims he never even runs missions. How is this possible? Could he be cheating to get these agent offers? It doesn't seem right that a pirate who never runs missions should get all these offers while many hardworking, honest players from industrial corps aren't getting offers even though they actually run R&D missions. Should I continue even doing R&D missions? Those science graduates are expensive!
Fliewatuet	Posted - 2006.03.15 17:57:00 - [2] yeah, right. Stop doing missions for your R&D agents. Don't even bother starting R&D projects in the first place. Even better for those that keep doing that sort of thing. :-) Do you really ever belief what ppl wrote on the net? And think about the information that wasn't written directly. Sure you can get 9 or even more BPOs, just go, pay for 10 accounts with 3 agent runners each. ;-) Stop complaining about unfair distributions of things, noone around here do have a complete picture. That said, i'm really interested in all sorts of numbers from CCP. :-) Regards, Fliewatuet
Tjakka	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:00:00 - [3] WTF are you whining about carebear yiou wanna tell us that a pirate shouldnt be able to get a T2 bpo or something? Its wrong somone gets so many bpos but the thing about "honest" players and Industerial corps is just bull** 1st class. you are a pathetic lil **. btw the Industerial corps are all but honest you ppl selling things at ripoff prices for some mods and ships. now get back under your rock and no it aint a cheat
Liberace	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Fliewatuet yeah, right. Stop doing missions for your R&D agents. Don't even bother starting R&D projects in the first place. Even better for those that keep doing that sort of thing. :-) Do you really ever belief what ppl wrote on the net? And think about the information that wasn't written directly. Sure you can get 9 or even more BPOs, just go, pay for 10 accounts with 3 agent runners each. ;-) Stop complaining about unfair distributions of things, noone around here do have a complete picture. That said, i'm really interested in all sorts of numbers from CCP. :-) Regards, Fliewatuet Trevedian said he got all 9 offers on a single character! So much for your 10 accounts nonsense. I'm just saying either he has incredible luck or is doing something that is not legit. What are the chances.
Bertram Vetold	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:22:00 - [5] I believe he is doing it in a fair and legal manner, however it doesn't really say much for the system itself. Regardless of how he was offered his 9th T2 BPO the fact is it should have never happened that way. It will be a huge relief when they revamp the system for BPOs because IMO the current path is only going to lead to just a few very very rich people in EVE with everybody else trying to play catch-up, which I shouldn't have to tell you guys will drastically hurt the playerbase growth.
Talinda Winters	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:32:00 - [6] Edited by: Talinda Winters on 15/03/2006 18:36:45 If it smells fishy it probably is. Something is wrong here.. Either the system is completly broke or there is an abnormal offer exploit floating. I hate to say it but Pvpers are more known to exploit than craftsman... I know its a cliche but its true more often than not. It has to do with the desire to win at any cost hence the comment about honest hard working from the other poster. Non-pvpers hate pvpers with a passion, one will almost always drive the other out of a game at some point. Look at UO... non-pvpers were quitting in droves leading to trammel which just about killed the pvp. it may take a long time but it almost always happens.
Fliewatuet	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Liberace Trevedian said he got all 9 offers on a single character! So much for your 10 accounts nonsense. I'm just saying either he has incredible luck or is doing something that is not legit. What are the chances. Stop reading things that aren't written! I didn't say he was using 10 accounts. Well, and about the chances... without any hard numbers we can't really calculate it that good. But at least it would be better than guessing 1 out of 42 numbers correctly in a row of 7 total numbers to get rich in real life. Nonetheless a lot of ppl play that sort of things - despite the chances. Really, stop complaining about that you are noone that gets all there is for little or no work at all. Thats life! Life with it. Regards, Fliewatuet
Helena Freelove	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:52:00 - [8] Just goes to show this whole BPO "Lottery" is rubbish. We did an experiment at uni and proved that there is no such thing as "random" on a computer, sooner or later patterns turn up. This means some people will be gettin BPO's again and again whilst most will not even stand a chance. CCp should really rethink the way they are handed out or whether they should be infinite, but that would mean admitting they were wrong so i don't think either will happen
Lurjus	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:58:00 - [9] Well if patterns turn up and random numbers start to repeat themselves after every hm.. lets say 10ˇ1000 numbers then its random enough for me
babyblue	Posted - 2006.03.15 19:29:00 - [10] Well, to get things in perspective for you, I was researching for five months, with two characters, with 5 agents each. I had okay skills (level 4's), didn't do the missions the agents gave me so never doubled my RP and I managed to get 2 BPO's with about 14k RP for each. The ammo BPO's were seeded quite heavily, so if you were researching the right area your chances were pretty fair of getting one. When I say the right area, I mean one of the overlooked or frowned upon areas. If this guy does the agent missions, has 3 accounts (it's possible), with an alt on each one doing them, then I'm not suprised at all if he managed to get 9 BPO's so far. I would say it was dodgy if he got 9 starship BPO's obviously but ammo, naaaa, it's all fair and reasonable.

Nocturnal Prince	Posted - 2006.03.15 19:39:00 - [11] Just a lucky guy I guess, One fluke is always bound to happen. TBH Im hoping to also be a fluke but I guess I'll not hold my breath
Dreck Morrison	Posted - 2006.03.15 20:33:00 - [12] I fully believe it is possible for one person to have 9 on a single account if he trained his two alts to also run R&D agents. I went totally after R&D agents when they first came out over 3 years ago. My main account has 6 R&D agents in 6 different fields all trained to lvl 4, and my 2nd account has 6R&D agents in one field trained to lvl5 (Nanite Technology). I ran R&D agent missions for about 2 months then gave it up as a waste of time and isk with little chance of return. All told I have gotten: Small Shield Transfer 2 - Hydromatics 16k RP (total waste - moved to lvl 4 agent) Gattling Pulse Laser 2 - Lasers (25k RP) Rocket Launcher 2 - Rockets (52k RP) Armor Thermic Hardener 2 - Nanite (61K RP) 1600mm Plate 2 - Nanite (58K RP) Mjolonar Rage Torpedo - Lasers (32K RP) - Note same R&D slot as Gattling but different agent These 6 are not uber ship BPOs and the only one that really makes any isk is the Thermic Hardener 2. I sell 200 per month (max build rate) at current market prices. A few gattling pulses, rocket launchers, and 1600mm plates are selling here and there but they don't really justify the cost of holding the inventory. I have decided that they may be best suited by making BPC and selling those to interested parties rather than stocking the market so someone else can underbid me by 0.01 isk. As a side comment I want to let you know that most of the bpo hits have come off the worst rated agents that I joined up with. I have long wondered if CCP has two auctions when they give out a BPO - 1 to decide the agent and then 1 to decide who's RP at that agent wins the BPO. It would make sense to me that someone who has boatloads of the lower rated agents might have less competition for the BPOs. I know myself I tried to get my guys to the best rated agents not knowing if distribution was by agent or by just max RPs regardless of agent. One last comment is I have nearly 170K RP for my one starship agent - I would love for him to hit since ship bpos are so awesome to own. But in this game it is just patience until they make changes to the R&D interface. So right now once you get your R&D agents up and running....go do something else fun in the game and just hope you get lucky.
Dopefish	Posted - 2006.03.15 21:25:00 - [13] if you research starship engineering you wont get a bpo. If you research something people never heard of on 6 agents ( skill ) then yes you will get bpo's. Trevedian probably have all his agents in laser physics ( mining crystals, ammo, turrets, mininglasers ).
Yazoul Samaiel	Posted - 2006.03.15 21:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Helena Freelove Just goes to show this whole BPO "Lottery" is rubbish. We did an experiment at uni and proved that there is no such thing as "random" on a computer, sooner or later patterns turn up. This means some people will be gettin BPO's again and again whilst most will not even stand a chance. CCp should really rethink the way they are handed out or whether they should be infinite, but that would mean admitting they were wrong so i don't think either will happen So True , This deffo means that the system CCP is running is not a random lottery system coz simpely this is mathematicaly impossibel unless they are applying a different set of mathematics here probably jovian . Probability wise 1/100000 per bpo. "What ever that doesnt Kill me just makes me stronger"
Kal'rek	Posted - 2006.03.16 00:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Dopefish if you research starship engineering you wont get a bpo. If you research something people never heard of on 6 agents ( skill ) then yes you will get bpo's. Trevedian probably have all his agents in laser physics ( mining crystals, ammo, turrets, mininglasers ). Starship engineering r+d agents do drop Bpo's "so you will get one from them" how do you think they get into game, Not as oftern maybe as the others maybe. It depends what you want to make, its not just about doing it for the short term isk. Its long term game you drop a ship bpo and your going to have a good future also helping many others, by filling the market with ships for people, and earning isk to buy other things to manafacture also. kal'rek
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2006.03.16 01:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Dopefish if you research starship engineering you wont get a bpo. If you research something people never heard of on 6 agents ( skill ) then yes you will get bpo's. Trevedian probably have all his agents in laser physics ( mining crystals, ammo, turrets, mininglasers ). Very true, there are far too many starship RPs to make any research in those feilds worthwhile.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.03.16 02:01:00 - [17] Originally by: Tjakka WTF are you whining about carebear yiou wanna tell us that a pirate shouldnt be able to get a T2 bpo or something? Its wrong somone gets so many bpos but the thing about "honest" players and Industerial corps is just bull** 1st class. you are a pathetic lil **. btw the Industerial corps are all but honest you ppl selling things at ripoff prices for some mods and ships. now get back under your rock and no it aint a cheat pathetic tbh
Tachy	Posted - 2006.03.16 08:59:00 - [18] Luck? No it is all about the unrandom generator used in EVE. That's why the devs didn't restart the servers after to many pilots complained about the same pilots getting the BPOs over and over. --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
Vince Draken	Posted - 2006.03.16 09:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Talinda Winters Edited by: Talinda Winters on 15/03/2006 18:36:45 If it smells fishy it probably is. Something is wrong here.. Either the system is completly broke or there is an abnormal offer exploit floating. I hate to say it but Pvpers are more known to exploit than craftsman... I know its a cliche but its true more often than not. It has to do with the desire to win at any cost hence the comment about honest hard working from the other poster. Non-pvpers hate pvpers with a passion, one will almost always drive the other out of a game at some point. Look at UO... non-pvpers were quitting in droves leading to trammel which just about killed the pvp. it may take a long time but it almost always happens. What a sack of **. How any can be so ignorant is beyond me. Look junior, the problem lies with CCP not an individual player. Unless that is you think he can hack into ccp and steal stuff. I'm sure he'd go for the *ty bpo's he has then and THEN brag about it if he did. The fact is that the lottery probaby has issues like everything else does. But, most of the comnplainers who never get anythong seem to be researching caldari starship. go figure..... The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.*
Tauruz	Posted - 2006.03.16 09:29:00 - [20] So you fly to your R&D agent with the valid skills and click on the relevant text to begin accumulating RP. At this point you can choose whether or not to do R&D missions which will increase the number of RP you have. After an unspecified amount of time your agent may or mat not inform you that you've had a breakthrough. At what point in this scenario is player interaction able to 'exploit' the system? Doing R&D missions does not increase your chances of getting a BPO, it simply increases the number of RP you have. As for the rest of the ignorant posts in this thread, I think they stand as a testament to why the eve-online forums are the worst part of this game.

Markie	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:33:00 - [21] I read the thread where he said he got 9 offers and he also said it was off the same character. I will keep my opiniona to my self but take it from me I am ****ed as my 15 R&D agents over many accounts have yet to offer me a single BPO. /me votes for a total reform in current system as its totaly spoiling the game, if you disagrea with this statment then you either have more isk than you need or a BPO providing you plenty of ISK. I PVP full time and cant afford to fly and loose any t2 ship on the market ROA Forums
Tauruz	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:45:00 - [22] If you go to your journal, select the research tab and press UP, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT, A, B, A, B, A+B, II and then SELECT, you get the secret T2 BPO selection screen. Just don't tell CCP I told you the secret.
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Helena Freelove Just goes to show this whole BPO "Lottery" is rubbish. We did an experiment at uni and proved that there is no such thing as "random" on a computer, sooner or later patterns turn up. This means some people will be gettin BPO's again and again whilst most will not even stand a chance. CCp should really rethink the way they are handed out or whether they should be infinite, but that would mean admitting they were wrong so i don't think either will happen no offense, but it took a university class to explain this? an experiment? ... I thought it was kinda an obvious, given fact that theres no such thing as true randomness using computers. btw, "patterns" and repetittion, waves of "luck" ect, happen in real randomness too. proof? sand dunes in open desert. I won't belive that its really random til my agent gives me a Hulk BPO! ok, I could deal with ANY... but until then!!!!.... it would indeed be interesting to see the demographic of how many RP's are "in circulation" for each field, across how many characters. /me goes to bed praying for a BPO offer (yeah, my stupid ass way back when I first got it, picked starship too... still kicking myself over that one) ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Leandro Salazar	Posted - 2006.03.16 11:14:00 - [24] Trevedian... That name sounds familiar. Isn't he one of the more infamous Jita suicide bombers? Maybe that is how he got 9 T2 BPOs and hes just making things up about the offers... ___________________________________ Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?
Karazaan	Posted - 2006.03.16 18:11:00 - [25] Maybe it has to do with the fact that 25'000 simultaneous players want one of the 3 bpo released for one new product. Luck is almost the only way to choose the winner because there is so many different way to play the game. You get a tech 2 bpo because you do more mission? Not good for thoses that don't (and thoses that live in 0.0 where there is not a lot of NPC interaction and no npc stations) You get a tech 2 bpo because you mine a roid and find it in a hole in the middle of 1 on 10000000 roids? Not nice for non miner type. You get a tech 2 bpo because you kill a lot of rats (or do complex)? Not nice for thoses that hate ratting and prefer human flesh. You get a tech 2 bpo by buying it in an aunction? Well, you create the rich/poor class which don't really exist now. The current system (which I think, is still the best one) is giving a equal chance to anybody, be you a newbee (well, no RP!), an empire carebear or a intense pvp 0.0 players. If you do all the mission, you double your chance which is enormous but with chances so slim, it does'nt really matter. Sad part is, luck cannot be explained. So some see ghosts and fate in play and want factual numbers that cannot be provided. But as many players are doing it, be it with one level 1 agent on the side or 18 R&D agents with 3 accounts, there is still one chance on one million to win. So, what do you think? If the chances were entirely work-based, how would you feel if after working your ass off for 3 months, you did'nt get a single bpo because others peoples worked harder than you? I think the devs found a solution from what I've been reading in the last months... The supplies chain for tech 2 is quite simple even if quite long. You have the RAM bpo, the moon mining, simple and advance reactions, components bpo and finally the object itself bpo. So everything is possible to almost everybody, so nobody is stuck with a useless or (MUST sell to big bad alliances bpo). So basically, if you get one, it work and you don't need anybody. It seem tech 3 will be different. Maybe even to the point where a tech 3 bpo is useless if you don't have contacts. Because you will need stuff that's coming from a very very rare nebula that HAS to be owned by a alliance with an outpost (did I just see the price of the stuff rising? ). May also need some Black Morphite that only a POS can do. May need stuff only found with high level archeology in the middle of empire or 0.0. May need tags that can only be obtained from newbee missions that high level players can't be arsed to do. I think the point would be, and it was somewhat shown with the tech 2 model, you can have the bpo but what if you can't build it anyway? What if you cannot do everything alone? Release of RAM bpos lately seem to show the opposite but maybe it was because of something else. The Market is not mature enough yet (probably due to the high speed of travel), with price that high for RAM, every miners should have jumped to missions to get RAM for high profit until overflow and returning to mining. But that did'nt happen. If a RAM reward is better than a navy ships bpc offers, it's all good no? But strangely, nothing happened and nobody had RAMs. The only real enemy is fear.
General Tzu	Posted - 2006.03.16 18:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Tjakka WTF are you whining about carebear yiou wanna tell us that a pirate shouldnt be able to get a T2 bpo or something? Its wrong somone gets so many bpos but the thing about "honest" players and Industerial corps is just bull** 1st class. you are a pathetic lil **. btw the Industerial corps are all but honest you ppl selling things at ripoff prices for some mods and ships. now get back under your rock and no it aint a cheat Mr. Tjakka, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Al Giordino	Posted - 2006.03.16 19:03:00 - [27] I have a friend who has gotten 2 t2 bpo offers. we both have about the same mission running schedule, which is...we dont. same amount of points. about 62k. and i've never gotten so much as a quick pat in the dark from my agent. /shrug.
Tamora	Posted - 2006.03.16 21:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Kal'rek Originally by: Dopefish if you research starship engineering you wont get a bpo. If you research something people never heard of on 6 agents ( skill ) then yes you will get bpo's. Trevedian probably have all his agents in laser physics ( mining crystals, ammo, turrets, mininglasers ). Starship engineering r+d agents do drop Bpo's "so you will get one from them" how do you think they get into game, Not as oftern maybe as the others maybe. It depends what you want to make, its not just about doing it for the short term isk. Its long term game you drop a ship bpo and your going to have a good future also helping many others, by filling the market with ships for people, and earning isk to buy other things to manafacture also. kal'rek give Luke back his character now please.
Kla'strit	Posted - 2006.03.16 22:06:00 - [29] o.0 ^^ R&D FTW! Kla
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.03.16 23:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Liberace Could he be cheating to get these agent offers? It doesn't seem right that a pirate who never runs missions should get all these offers while many hardworking, honest players from industrial corps aren't getting offers even though they actually run R&D missions. You sir are an idiot and you have no knowledge what so ever as to how the lottery actually works. ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]



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