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Stone Hammer
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Posted - 2003.09.09 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Stone Hammer on 09/09/2003 20:22:01 Greetings,
The Techell Corporation is trying to help in the fight against "Ore Thieves". As of now players that run into "Ore Thieves" while mining can report these players and their actions to the Techell Corporation.
To report these players simply send an Eve Mail to myself (Stone Hammer) in game and I will document these players personally. The Techell Corporation will update their website weekly with the names of these players for all to see, along with the number of complaints by different miners, and the systems they have been stealing in.
As to try to better serve our loyal customers we will not do business with any reported "Ore Thieves" so as to help prevent their further progression in the game as best we can. The Eve Forums will also be updated weekly with these names for all to see, and allow those that have been robed in the past the ability to spot these individuals in Empire Space.
The "Ore Thieves" admit that theirs is an ocupation of crime, and for the most part their is nothing you can do about it but protect yourself as best you can by using secure containers. However regardless of that fact there is now a way to track these thieves and a little added risk involved in their day to day business of stealing.
In short please feel free to report these players to myself. Include whatever information you can to help other players avoid this misfortune as best they can.
Thanks,
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.09 15:40:00 -
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um.... Wrong Forum... Are you selling yourself as a service to get rid of Ore Thieves? Do people have to pay for it?
If not it would probably be best to post in the General Forum. And read the 10 or so post on Ore theives made already. Before tring to make your own. That way things aren't repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again and again and again and again and again.
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2003.09.09 16:42:00 -
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Is that Techel or Techell? The latter has been accusing another corp of imitating them. Was that a typo or are you the ones accused of scamming?
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Falnaerith
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Posted - 2003.09.09 19:30:00 -
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Don't reconise the name, and considering techell has a few well known reps, i'd say this is the impersonator. (You are very sad btw) ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
Stone Hammer
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Posted - 2003.09.09 20:20:00 -
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The post was made here for miners to see that often put there minerals up for sale in the Market Forums.
It is Techell not Techel, I am sorey for the confusion but it was late and I was trying to speed things up as to allow myself a little more sleep before work.
There have been Miner's that have stated they would pay 5 Million for a corpse of a thief that had stolen from them, so maybe this is not to bad of a place for the post.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.09.09 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 09/09/2003 20:42:26 No problem mate, I just saw the post, your name, and "Techel" and thought "what the hell?"
Edit - dammit I replied to the same thread but in a different forum
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Brox
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Posted - 2003.09.09 20:39:00 -
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Right so if it is Techell can we please see what corp u are in, displayed on the side, under ur name?
Nothing personal if u are a member of techell but as u would agree u cant be too careful.
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Malacki
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:01:00 -
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As a member of techell corp I can assure you he is also a member. If i could figure out how to show my corp then i would.
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Brox
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:09:00 -
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Go to settings under the 'in-game board' nav bar. in there u can edit ur signature and set it to display ur corp, race and ermm something else
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Paul Lebaue
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Posted - 2003.09.09 23:11:00 -
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Greetings Stonehammer,
I am working on a list in the recruitment forum regarding the same issues and was wondering if you would like to add the names gathered there to your list as well.
Sincerly
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Stone Hammer
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Posted - 2003.09.10 01:38:00 -
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I will add those names once I am home from work and can update my list. Thank you for the heads up, and your help in trying to cut down on this problem as much as possible.
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DeathBySnuSnu
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Posted - 2003.09.10 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: DeathBySnuSnu on 10/09/2003 01:53:29 Terrible idea. Why? Please add these players to your list. Kalhan Marcus Grisbius Brox agrizla
Get the idea?
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Stone Hammer
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Posted - 2003.09.10 02:02:00 -
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I will add them to the list, what system have they been in?
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Paul Lebaue
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Posted - 2003.09.10 02:32:00 -
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DeathBySnuSnu I do understand your point and I am concerned about the list being abused by unhonest people. This is why I asked everyone that adds to that list to add their Corp Name to give some validation of their claims. That combined with me keeping a copy of the posts being made so I can track back any false claims. Those people will feel a consequence if they knowingly made a false claim.
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Zores
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Posted - 2003.09.10 02:49:00 -
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Quote: Right so if it is Techell can we please see what corp u are in, displayed on the side, under ur name?
Stone is part of techell I've done business with him multiple times.
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Brox
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Posted - 2003.09.10 10:18:00 -
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Yup i can see that now he has added his corp to his name. as i said before u cant be too careful with the people who are trying to copy ur corp. im sure he understands
and DeathBySnuSnu why add my name?? after all i was acting in the best intrests of the techell corp! if uve got issues with me id be happy to sort them out with u
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Kel 'dra
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Posted - 2003.09.10 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Kel 'dra on 10/09/2003 12:18:33 I personnally would like to thank all those that are looking out for the best interests of techell corp. That is the type of behavior that will keep our name from being ruined by another corp!
Edit: spelling
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Falnaerith
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:34:00 -
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My bad stone, i'm used to kel'dra and datsevlu in here making posts w/ sigs and corp names. ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
Stone Hammer
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Posted - 2003.09.10 20:24:00 -
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Quote: My bad stone, i'm used to kel'dra and datsevlu in here making posts w/ sigs and corp names.
No harm done, and with another corporation out their trying to mimic us and bring down our good name fuly understandable.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.10 20:52:00 -
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Just search for their names in-game instead of accusing them of not being members of the "real" Techell, perhaps?
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Falnaerith
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Posted - 2003.09.10 21:00:00 -
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Quote: Just search for their names in-game instead of accusing them of not being members of the "real" Techell, perhaps?
Doesn't help much for those who are relieving their boredom at work by surfing the forums ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
Stone Hammer
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Posted - 2003.09.11 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Stone Hammer on 11/09/2003 11:45:15 The following is the list of Ore Thieves the Techell Corporation has collected to date. To add anyone to this list that you have seen stealing ore, to include those that have stolen your own, please message Stone Hammer with as much information as possible. This list is updated weekly to help keep people aware of who is in their system that may be an ore thief.
Algogille System Fred Conquer Hagandro Christy Chance Squirrel
Amarr System Droyal Capietenne Raziel00 Kalhan (2) RaSatan Tekkaman
Eram System Hooded Mouse
Goram System Starrats Barnett Verminard
Hentogaira System Trouble Maker Karkazz
Niyahainen System EvilJohn (3) Maria007 (2) EVE Player 44 (2)
Unknown System Thieves Sim2Killa Ganster Okidoke God Tohe Whateverman Gold Brick Buba Just Leonard Gold Block Missevil Obiwan Jr Yarr Father Judas
The Techell Corporation would like to thank those that have reported ore thieves to help make mining a little safer, or at least give miners a chance to see who is in the system with them. While the Techell Corporation is simply gathering this information to assist miners, several feelance corporations are on the hunt. If you should happen to have a corpse of one of these ore thieves listed above please contact me in game. Several people that have reported ore thieves are willing to pay for their corpse, and offers have been in the millions. I have a list of who has reported these thieves and will contact them to see if they want to mount the corpse on their hanger wall.
If your name is listed above but you have never stole any ore please message me in game and we will get the matter resolved.
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Arcain Draconis
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Posted - 2003.09.11 11:38:00 -
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Quote: Terrible idea. Why? Please add these players to your list. Kalhan Marcus Grisbius Brox agrizla
Get the idea?
haha and you acually managed to add them to your list...omg.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.11 14:19:00 -
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Ha Ha very funny. I don't steal I just support them as opposed to the Macro, AFK, and non-newb miners that are too chicken to mine out of .8 and above.
But you can add JarJar Binx - Tash-Murkon
By the way this post still doesn't belong here. If you were talking to the miners you would still look in general. Hardly anyone probably posts on the thread because they don't know it exists.
But.....
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.11 14:24:00 -
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Here is what I think.
AFK miners and Macro miners should be Slowed as well(like all the other professions). To show them how to get really earn there money and go out in the rest of the world. Ore Thiefs right now are the only means of doing this.
I see only the AFK miners and Macro miners crying about this anyway.
Newbs too but I don't think you should be able to steal from them.
I can see if the can is sitting right next to you when they come and steal ore as a hostile act. But if they were to impliment an idea like this I would make it so that as soon as you leave the belt and the can is no longer owned by you. That would fix the problem.
Or make it so Cops come and kill the thief only for players that are less then a week old.
CCP can't make everyone happy. If they totally kill Ore thiefs abilities. Other people will start whinning that AFK miners have it way to easy.
No if this Idea happened in game with no nerfing of the AFK/Carebear miners as well. I would start a petition agianst it, and would have alot of support. More so then the abillity to kill ore thiefs in 1.0 space.
If you want to kill ore thiefs then go to .4 and below otherwise buy secure cans.
If they really wanted to get rid of ore thiefs they would have made secure contains bottomless or expandable with how much ore you put in it. But they don't. Why, because of AFK/Carebear miners.
It would have been too easy to kill off that profession al long time ago. But EVE says you can become anything you want.
If they want to nerf that profession more. Then they should raise the the ability for Pirates(Neg sec rating players) to come into empire space and put in less cops. Or lower the amount of ore in empire space, make it real easy for a belt to disapear from over mining, so easy that it forces players to go out further.
Or make it so players over a month are not alowed to enter .8 and above belts.
Or Keep it the way it is.
I have seen Battleships in .8 systems striping belts clean leaving nothing for newb miners.
If you notice everyone goes to those systems to mine veld and other easy ore and then go out further and just mine the rest. They should go back to the old way of refilling the roid.
If you got to the .8 systems and above there is hardly any ore. I fyou go to the .2 belts for jaspet there is hardly any jaspet, Kernite, omber ect... and HUGE Veld and Scorite roids. So big you cann't even get close enough to mine them!!!
They Nerf Fighters. They Nerf Pirates. They Nerf PvP. I think they should Nerf Miners.
I heard a about a hacking skill that would allow you to hack into a secure can. That totally contradics what this poster is saying.
I say go ahead and allow this to happen. Then you will so pirates in Battleships coming in to steal your ore, go ahead and fire on them then. They would do it becuase they want your ore, but to start a fight so they can kill you for free.
I am not against AFK Miners that are newbies. I am against afk miners that are striping the belts in newb land.
I have another Char(unnamed) that ore steals. I don't REPEAT don't steal from the newby players. I see a guy in a Thorax mining with an unsecure can next to him. I go up and steal from it. And if they make that skill to allow players to hack secure cans I will make sure he gets that one too.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.11 14:29:00 -
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every other profession in eve has been slowed("nerfed") in some way except miners.
AFK, macro, and baby Miners need to be "slowed down as well"
Here are more suggestions.
I think they should make it so some ships can't belts depending on the sys sec rating.
Ex. only frigates(no indies, Crusiers, Battleships or Titians) would be able to enter .9 and 1.0 belts. And Battleships would not be able to enter .5 and above belts.
Also only newbs should be able to mine in .9 and 1.0 space. They could do this by either skill or time(Char age) ingame.
It would be easy to RP these examples. I know many places where Trucks are not alowed in parts of the city or to drive on some roads.
This would force players to move and progress in the game. Making them go out into the rest of the Eve world and experience everything, so people can't say that eve is boring and all people do is mine.
This is because everyone AFK mines or baby mines the easy minerals in high space and takes all the rare minerals in low space. And as you know they made it so when you mine a roid somewhere else another roid is growing and if nobody mine the common or out in the low sec which ones do you think are the roids growing???
They have already made so many changes that go against there so call philsophies to let everyone do want they want, because of the philsophy of ballance. ex. people with a neg rating are forced to live outside of empire space.
Better yet they should make jetting something what it really should be.
When you jet something is would be destroy, because you are throwing it away.
I think my Ideas help newbies and promote players expanding beyond empire space.
I don't believe AFK miners are "raking in the isk". It is kinda slow just mining those easy minerals to make money.
I think .8 and above arn't ment for experinces players.
Just as players with a neg rating aren't ment for .5 and up.
Also if players move out towords .4 space and below. They can shoot ore theives and stop whinning about it.
While I don't think newbs should be able to get there ore stolen... if you are mining in a BS or Crusier in .5 and above especially 1.0. You put yourself at risk.
Keep ore thieves ingame. Maybe even have some chars that steal from the rich BSs mining in .8 and up and dump the ore in the poor newb's can. A sort of Robin hood char.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.11 14:57:00 -
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And soon you will have to train a skill to use make secure containers secure.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.11 15:07:00 -
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also from reading your list I don't see any real ore thieves mostly just players someone is mad at. If you bothered to read any(10 or so) of the posts in general then you would see there are several people who striaghtout tel you they are thieves and none are on your list. I guess this is I am mad at these guys list and want them dead.
I am not sure what the "(2)" next to my name means. Could you make it a three so I can be different. lol
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.09.11 17:05:00 -
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Quote: The "Ore Thieves" admit that theirs is an ocupation of crime...
Not if they have any sense, they don't, because it isn't a crime and they aren't thieves. Anything that you jettison legally DOES NOT belong to you, and can't be stolen from you.
Morally, that's a whole other issue. But there is no crime involved
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.11 17:11:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: The "Ore Thieves" admit that theirs is an ocupation of crime...
Not if they have any sense, they don't, because it isn't a crime and they aren't thieves. Anything that you jettison legally DOES NOT belong to you, and can't be stolen from you.
Morally, that's a whole other issue. But there is no crime involved
True but if we called them "Belt Trash Collecters" nobody would know what you were talking about. lol
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Stone Hammer
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Posted - 2003.09.11 21:19:00 -
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The number next to the names is the total number of people that I have received e-mails from with that person's name mentioned.
The idea is ot help try to confirm these people are ore thieves and not a "mad at" situation. This is why I also ask that if your name is on there and you feel it is wrong you can e-mail me in-game and I will resolve the matter.
I for the people that admit it here in the forums not being added, I do not take admissions of guilt. Many may say I should since it is simple, but the Miners that have been robbed are the ones that need to take the steps to report them, not the thieves themselves. If nobody reports them then the miners are obvisouly not to worried about it in that section.
The post is in three area's of the forums, this was simply a just in case for anyone selling minerals on the market. It is alos under Crime and Punishment as well as Events.
Thanks,
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.09.11 21:40:00 -
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Quote: True but if we called them "Belt Trash Collecters" nobody would know what you were talking about. lol
Call them what they are - scavengers.
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Asriad Grailok
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Posted - 2003.09.13 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: Asriad Grailok on 13/09/2003 07:52:39 Frankly, I'm sick and tired of hearing people whine about ore thieves. Sick and tired. In the grand scheme of things, "lifting" ore is no less ethical than the acts of the AFK and baby miners, and from an honest-to-god role-playing standpoint is a (more) desirable practice. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of the networking you are trying to implement, and I think there should be consequences for those caught doing it. What gets me is that you are so spoiled that you don't realize just how good you have it. Right now, you have the option to buy secure containers that are absolutely fail-safe. "Protect yourself as best you can" indeed. They can't be broken into, they can't be scooped up, they can't be destroyed, and as such, they don't need to be guarded. And the fact that they are completely fantastical doesn't exactly add to the balance and realism of the game... but then, honest-to-god roleplaying is an art that precious few players seem willing to aspire to, and the people complaining here have already failed the test miserably.
While there are an infinite number of real(istic) solutions to this problem, many of which have been suggested already, here are my two cents:
Two new skills should be implemented: one simply to be able to use secure containers (higher skill level = more secure lock) and a "lockpick" skill. A player who has the skill can pick any lock, higher levels decrease the time required.
Basic Secure Container: Identical to those presently in existence.
Advanced Secure Container: Contains a transmitter which will alert the owner (not Concord or any other security personnel*) if the lock is being picked or has been scooped, along with a tracking device to locate it.**
*Using containers should be an at-your-own-risk choice, with NPC security taking a position of non-interference. However, thieves will also be given no protetion.
Containers should be destructible, with the consequence of destroying any/most equipment within and scattering ore about in individual units or destroying most of it. Better armor should be available to any skill level, but with signifigant increaces in cost.
Finally, the player should be able to assign a drone/group of drones to guard any number of containers within a certain radius. These drones would attack any player who attempts to pick or scoop (personally, I don't think there can be any other practical way to prevent container "scoopage") the container.
The possibilities are literally endless. More sophisticated advances could include booby trapped containers and the tools necessary to detect/disarm them, PC and NPC tracking services, mobile containers, etc. The solution need not be terribly complex, but it must favor realism and practicality over all else.
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Stone Hammer
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Posted - 2003.09.13 14:59:00 -
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Secure containers are great for the newer players, and some afk miners. However the fact that I fly a Megathron with 7 Miner II's and 8 Harvestors means I can fill them in about 2 minutes and can only fit two in my hold to start with.
A lot of people use the regule :default" containers because thay hold about 56,000 in cargo space, which allows me to mine for about an hour before it is full. Now granted I have never been stolen from, and I think it is in part due to the ship. I think ore thieves do have some respect that they show towards players that are a bit higher skill lever then they are. I could be wrong but I say this because I have had two known ore thieves come into the system where I was mining and left after I chatted with them for about 5 minutes, neither of which approached.
Regardless I use a hauler at all times. I have several haulers I can look up and they are more then willing to come haul for me for 500-750K an hour depending on what I am mining. Ore Thieves are part of the game, and I am sure there will be more changes in the game, but they will always be there. The Techell Corporation is simply trying to give some noobies a little fair warning by having a list available. Also helps the higher skilled players like myself when looking for a hauler. Allows me to insure I am not mining 73,000 Omber in an hour for someone to run off with it!
Thanks,
PS: Like your ideas, I am all about more skills, and skills for those that choose a life of crime. I know I am going to get the usual, "If you jettison it then it is trash" line for that, but come on. If I am sitting next to the tainer and mining into it I think it is obvious that it is not trash, or a yard sale for that matter!
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