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The Magnificence Barricade. Gentlemen's Agreement 0	Posted - 2011.11.07 17:54:00 - [1] - Quote Hello there, I will be able to jump in my Tengu in few weeks, and i was looking for a good fit with DPS and Tank in order to pass through all the Caldari Navy L4. I made this fit : Quote: [Tengu, LV4] Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II 10MN Afterburner II Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir 342 Tank with a cycle of 1.7 sec. 601 DPS ( 2457 volley damage ) (Thats MY informations on EFT ) I was wondering if 342 tank was enough to pass through the must difficults L4. I'm also hesitating between the Stasis Web and the Target painter, which one of these should I use ? Fly Safe, Mag.
Spineker Caldari State 40	Posted - 2011.11.07 18:05:00 - [2] - Quote You should not need a web at all for Caldari missions. A couple hundred Precisions are better. I would put a second small shield booster on it until you get used to it. I have not used the Pithi I use Gisti 2 of them. There are a couple of missions you can get in trouble with when webbed, WC serp 2nd room Enemy Abound 5/5 (maybe one of the hardest missions of all until you are not used to it). A second booster will give you more tank and a web is not going to help all that much if you are getting beat down in the mission. I tried a target painter last week and it did nothing for me. The ships orbit too close I suppose and get under the TP not sure but I tested and the damage was the same regardless of painter. Painter doesn't do much on a BS since you are already hitting with almost all damage. But a scourge precision missile whacks even interceptors in 3 volley most in 2.
Nadine Le'Slut The-Four-HorseMen 1	Posted - 2011.11.07 18:09:00 - [3] - Quote will be fine if you keep high transversal with your afterburner and go after tackling npc's first. you won't get much use out of your hardeners missioning for caldari navy though, fitting mission specific hardeners will give you a better tank. (but it's optional if you keep attention) i'm advising strongly against precisions, as you should have tech2 rigor and flare rigs fitted, making precisions obsolete with decent skills. Even when shooting spider drones.
The Magnificence Barricade. Gentlemen's Agreement 0	Posted - 2011.11.07 18:11:00 - [4] - Quote Spineker wrote: You should not need a web at all for Caldari missions. A couple hundred Precisions are better. I would put a second small shield booster on it until you get used to it. I have not used the Pithi I use Gisti 2 of them. There are a . Hmm ok then, Which type of the Gisti should I use ? Because I'm not really rich
Spineker Caldari State 40	Posted - 2011.11.07 18:14:00 - [5] - Quote I use the small B type I think they are 50mil something like that it was 10 months ago when I bought them. You can use Pithi I just don't know the stats on them. They may be better than Gist I am not sure. I think one though is going to be dangerous starting out unless it get like 160 shield points per shot. Just my opinion.
The Magnificence Barricade. Gentlemen's Agreement 0	Posted - 2011.11.07 18:18:00 - [6] - Quote I tried on EFT : - Pithi B-type Small Shield Booster = 342 Tank - 2 Gisti C-type Small Shield Booster = 402 Tank - 2 Gisti B-type Small Shield Booster = 421 Tank
Spineker Caldari State 40	Posted - 2011.11.07 18:24:00 - [7] - Quote Ahh yeah cool, good booster then I just was not familiar with it. I was cheap ass when I bought my fittings. How much is the pithi B? I might change to one and use that other mid for something also like a web or I don't know
The Magnificence Barricade. Gentlemen's Agreement 0	Posted - 2011.11.07 19:57:00 - [8] - Quote Spineker wrote: Ahh yeah cool, good booster then I just was not familiar with it. I was cheap ass when I bought my fittings. How much is the pithi B? I might change to one and use that other mid for something also like a web or I don't know The Pithi B-type is around 180 millions, imo, something like that. ( DON'T FORGET that i've go a Shield Boost Amplifier and a Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier T1 in my fit ) I think that in the beginning i'll fit my Pithi B-Type + Gisti C-type, just in case of a tough pocket. ( 409 sustained - 523 reinforced ) (P.S : If i desactive the AB, the Sustained Tank is 512 )
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 74	Posted - 2011.11.07 20:31:00 - [9] - Quote Spineker wrote: Ahh yeah cool, good booster then I just was not familiar with it. I was cheap ass when I bought my fittings. How much is the pithi B? I might change to one and use that other mid for something also like a web or I don't know I've found that the cheap(ish) combination of a Gisti B-type and a Pithi C-type is surprisingly effective (for exploration, but the tank numbers should work for missions as well). The need to cram other things in the mids precludes a boost amp on that setup but it still works. For missions, I run a NH with two Pithi B-types, no boost amp, and it never comes close to trouble. But that's a considerably more expensive option (360 mil for the tank; add on the CN BCUs you're going to want sooner than later and the package pushes well past 1bil).
Korgan Nailo Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 0	Posted - 2011.11.07 21:22:00 - [10] - Quote One thing that is important is that you really don't need to over tank. My passive shield tanked Tengu has a 135 tanked DPS and I never felt the need for more. I can easily solo Angel Extravaganza L4 Bonus Room without a second of stress. Things to remember: if you get webbed, you're fffff... in trouble. The Tengu is a speed tank ship, so as long as you're flying at 550+ m/s you'll be fine. Also, since the Tengu is a cruiser class ship, and its signature is so small, cruise missiles and torpedoes won't do nearly as much damage as they do to a Battleship. For example, while a torpedo will hit a well tanked battleship for 90-110 points, it will hit the Tengu for 9-14 points. Heavy and Light missiles are more troublesome, as they hit for about the same. Another important thing, in a Tengu you can fly at 115kms and hit stuff. You don't need to go that far, but if you're feeling you don't wanna risk it, just fly at 40+kms from battleships and you'll be fine. Once you get comfortable, orbit those Angel pricks at 2.5kms just for laughs as they won't be able to hit you at all. One thing about active shield tanking though, depending on where you are, some NPCs will neut you, and that means no AB, no Invs and no booster. Watch it. Just remember: keep your speed up. If you get webbed, the ship doing that becomes top priority, in most cases. Last but not least, target painter. Period. =)
The Magnificence Barricade. Gentlemen's Agreement 0	Posted - 2011.11.07 23:10:00 - [11] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Spineker wrote: Ahh yeah cool, good booster then I just was not familiar with it. I was cheap ass when I bought my fittings. How much is the pithi B? I might change to one and use that other mid for something also like a web or I don't know I've found that the cheap(ish) combination of a Gisti B-type and a Pithi C-type is surprisingly effective (for exploration, but the tank numbers should work for missions as well). The need to cram other things in the mids precludes a boost amp on that setup but it still works. For missions, I run a NH with two Pithi B-types, no boost amp, and it never comes close to trouble. But that's a considerably more expensive option (360 mil for the tank; add on the CN BCUs you're going to want sooner than later and the package pushes well past 1bil). Gisti B-type + Pithi C-type < Pithi B-Type + Gisti C-Type for tanking. The 2 Pithi B-Type seems to be too much expensive to me for the moment, but i'll remember the advice . Korgan Nailo wrote: One thing that is important is that you really don't need to over tank. My passive shield tanked Tengu has a 135 tanked DPS and I never felt the need for more. I can easily solo Angel Extravaganza L4 Bonus Room without a second of stress. Things to remember: if you get webbed, you're fffff... in trouble. The Tengu is a speed tank ship, so as long as you're flying at 550+ m/s you'll be fine. If you can pass through Lvl 4 with this, I think that I'll be pretty safe in my Tengu . Korgan Nailo wrote: Heavy and Light missiles are more troublesome, as they hit for about the same. I just have to focus the web frigates ? Then I kill the cruisers and finally the BS ? Do I have to keep the AB on during the whole mission ? Where can I fit a Target painter if I have two Shield Booster ?
Pappy McGee Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.11.08 02:49:00 - [12] - Quote From my brief experience tooling around with a legion in level 4s, yes, you want to keep the afterburner running constantly. It reduces damage significantly. My general strategy was to burn straight toward the biggest ships in the group I was aggroing, popping frigs along the way (and sometimes turning around and kiting them if I was afraid they'd get within webbing range or under my guns.) Once the frigates are dead, you're pretty much home free. Take out the cruisers next, while you'll be able to tank the battleships pretty much indefinitely when you're right up next to them. (Armour-tanking legion and I'd often complete missions while still in my shield.) Two things to watch for. When orbiting the battleships up close it's easy to get within range of another groups aggro trigger without realising it. And do not underestimate the power of a webbing frigate. Once you're webbed, the battleships start to hurt. As for tank, I usually had ~300ish dps against whatever I was facing. Sometimes more. Sometimes less. Never really had a problem. But you've got to know the missions fairly well or you'll end up dead in a matter of seconds. Your buffer is all but nonexistent, so once your tank starts to break, it's gonna go -fast-. As oppose to a battleship, where you can muscle through for a few straight minutes whilst taking more damage than you tank the entire time, a T3 might last just a minute or two before popping.
Shivus Tao Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 18	Posted - 2011.11.08 04:49:00 - [13] - Quote I use 2x pithi c-types, only ever have one active at a time the second is to purely buy time in case of mass webbing. 3 shield hardeners, rat specific configurations. core c-type 10mn afterburner 2x CN BCU, 2x BCUII 744 dps with implants Everything ranges from a joke to mild annoyance. I could drop a booster and hardener for web and painter, but haven't found a need to, nor do I expect it would improve damage against elite frigs at all. Standard frigs die in 2-3 volleys with furys.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 74	Posted - 2011.11.08 05:45:00 - [14] - Quote The Magnificence wrote: Gisti B-type + Pithi C-type < Pithi B-Type + Gisti C-Type for tanking. The 2 Pithi B-Type seems to be too much expensive to me for the moment, but i'll remember the advice . Well, yeah. But the whole point was to avoid shelling out for the pricey Pithi B-type in the first place. The Pithi C/Gisti B combo costs less than a single Pithi B.
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 154	Posted - 2011.11.08 07:52:00 - [15] - Quote Any of those proposed shield boosters will do just fine the real strenght of your tengu tanking is its speed , aslong you can kill off any npc tacklers first you will be able to tank just about everything within a certain range Also you don't need a web on that tengu , you probably better of with a target painter or if you doing mostly missions vs guristas a eccm mod just my thoughts I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Joneleth Rein Delta vane Corp. Nostradamus Effect 0	Posted - 2011.11.08 09:28:00 - [16] - Quote Actually I'm almost using the same setup cause I'm saving up for a better booster. And I can tell you it's more than enough for any missions, including c2 sleeper sites. I use 2x gist-B type shield boost amplifiers though. Pretty cheap and useful and you'll also find that you don't need to perma -run the booster 9/10 times. Ou. And try and save up for Caldary Ballistics....they are damn nice. Spider Pig!-áSpider Pig! Does what a Spider Pig does.. Can he swing? From a web.. No he can't. He's a pig.
Rutger Centemus Phantom Squad Nulli Secunda 4	Posted - 2011.11.08 09:53:00 - [17] - Quote Spineker wrote: snip I tried a target painter last week and it did nothing for me. The ships orbit too close I suppose and get under the TP not sure but I tested and the damage was the same regardless of painter. snip Step away from the glue, target painters have no tracking. The only time 'chance' gets into ewar calculations is once you're out of the optimal of the module.
Bloody Wench 126	Posted - 2011.11.08 10:28:00 - [18] - Quote With the Tengu, go hard or go home. I'm tired of these **** weak tengus getting around. The ship has so much potential all you have to do is spend a little on it. You will never have to move, fly straight from Acc Gate to gate, shoot triggers first it makes no difference. Blockade..shoot triggers first. Just to see how many BS you can get on the field at once. Yes it says WH raider, but it's an old mission fit. All I did was swap AB for ECCM. I have a +5% PG implant in there but you don't need it, can replace with Cap Gen. Nothing is breaking this tank...ever. It's +5% Heavy Missile implants. (All of them) Laugh at the people scared of webbing frigates. I mean really. [Tengu, C2 Raider] Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Heavy Missile) Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster Gist B-Type Photon Scattering Field 2x Invulnerability Field II Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Cap Recharger II 4x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System (BUY THESE) Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I 2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Effective HP: 42,273 (Eve: 22,897) Tank Ability: 798.12 DPS Damage Profile - Guristas (EM: 0.00%, Ex: 0.00%, Ki: 83.63%, Th: 16.37%) Shield Resists - EM: 73.81%, Ex: 74.13%, Ki: 84.48%, Th: 89.65% Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 62.50%, Th: 86.25% Capacitor (Stable at 39.75%) Volley Damage: 2,823.87 DPS: 743.41
Joneleth Rein Delta vane Corp. Nostradamus Effect 0	Posted - 2011.11.08 14:01:00 - [19] - Quote Bloody Wench wrote: With the Tengu, go hard or go home. I'm tired of these **** weak tengus getting around. The ship has so much potential all you have to do is spend a little on it. Well everyone must start somewhere and even they have to discuss their fits even if it's a t2 basic. Don't be so elitist. Not that what Bloody said isn't right. The tengu needs shinies to show it's full potential. The started I used was similar to this. [Tengu, Basic] Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate x6 HML T2 Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I [Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot] If you have a 3% CPU implat you can go directly for 2x Riggor IIs and an Extender for rigs which is my preference. the 2x Gist-b you can find them around 100mil and the Fed AB is around 27ish. You never really worry about tank and usually I don't bother fitting rat specific resists cause it doesn't make a difference. Plus with the rigors you go with Furies which is a cheap ammo for l4s compared to navy missiles. Once you grab the caldari ballistics you can lose the CPU subsystem for the dissolution siquence and don't bother anymore with eccm or if you'r that annoyed you can lose the AB and go for an ECCM. Spider Pig!-áSpider Pig! Does what a Spider Pig does.. Can he swing? From a web.. No he can't. He's a pig.
Emperor Salazar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 146	Posted - 2011.11.08 14:23:00 - [20] - Quote Yeah this needed a new thread God forbid you pubbies actually do some research before frantically posting a thread asking for someone to hold your hand.
The Magnificence Barricade. Gentlemen's Agreement 0	Posted - 2011.11.08 18:55:00 - [21] - Quote Thanks for all the answers, I'll try most of this . I just have an other question, but it deals with the ammo. Is it better ( for the wallet of course ) to produce our own fury missile with blueprint copies or is it better to buy them ?
Substantia Nigra NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire 161	Posted - 2011.11.08 19:15:00 - [22] - Quote What is better will vary from person to person. I can produce all t2 ammo, fairly efficiently from the ground up, but virtually always buy what I use. It would be cheaper to build my own, but I don't like the fiddliness much. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread
grumpyguts1 Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 3	Posted - 2011.11.08 21:09:00 - [23] - Quote I use this for lvl 4 missioning. Cap stable with a cc4 implant. Getting webbed doesn't cause any issues.... [Tengu, Mission] Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node_2 Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate_2 Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir_2 Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay_2 Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst_2 Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Photon Scattering Field II_2 Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster_2 Invulnerability Field II_2 Photon Scattering Field II_2 Shield Boost Amplifier II_2 Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner_2 Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System_2 Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System_2 Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System_2 Power Diagnostic System II_2 Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II_2 Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II_2 Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I_2
BearJews The Activity 2	Posted - 2011.11.09 00:25:00 - [24] - Quote maybe someone can explain this to me, but why would you ever use a large shield booster on a lvl 4 tengu? i use either one sba'ed small booster, or two dead space boosters with a sba and i'm fine for every single mission out there and i can even tank the bonus room in Angel eXtrav. Beside it just lying around and you finally have a reason to use a faction booster, i just don't get why you'd spend the extra cash on a tank you just dont need. For me, it was always get as much gank as possible and then tank as little as you need. I totally understand a large for plexes and even c3s or c2s but it seems you are taking away a lot of gank by fitting a large shield booster and wasting all those lovely rig slots for ccc instead of rigors and flares. Thanks :)
Emperor Salazar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 149	Posted - 2011.11.09 00:46:00 - [25] - Quote BearJews wrote: maybe someone can explain this to me, but why would you ever use a large shield booster on a lvl 4 tengu? i use either one sba'ed small booster, or two dead space boosters with a sba and i'm fine for every single mission out there and i can even tank the bonus room in Angel eXtrav. Beside it just lying around and you finally have a reason to use a faction booster, i just don't get why you'd spend the extra cash on a tank you just dont need. For me, it was always get as much gank as possible and then tank as little as you need. I totally understand a large for plexes and even c3s or c2s but it seems you are taking away a lot of gank by fitting a large shield booster and wasting all those lovely rig slots for ccc instead of rigors and flares. Thanks :) A lot of carebears are stupid as hell. Its clear you're not one of them. Another good example of stupid carebear is one that uses cap stable fits [see above].
EvEa Deva State War Academy Caldari State 17	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:48:00 - [26] - Quote It appears carebears have hurt Emperor Salazars butt in some way.
Fist1 Hostile Alcoholic Commanders 0	Posted - 2011.11.09 18:12:00 - [27] - Quote 4 navy BCU's and large complex shield boosters??? off to check the nearest locator agent
grumpyguts1 Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 3	Posted - 2011.11.09 18:28:00 - [28] - Quote Emperor Salazar wrote: BearJews wrote: maybe someone can explain this to me, but why would you ever use a large shield booster on a lvl 4 tengu? i use either one sba'ed small booster, or two dead space boosters with a sba and i'm fine for every single mission out there and i can even tank the bonus room in Angel eXtrav. Beside it just lying around and you finally have a reason to use a faction booster, i just don't get why you'd spend the extra cash on a tank you just dont need. For me, it was always get as much gank as possible and then tank as little as you need. I totally understand a large for plexes and even c3s or c2s but it seems you are taking away a lot of gank by fitting a large shield booster and wasting all those lovely rig slots for ccc instead of rigors and flares. Thanks :) A lot of carebears are stupid as hell. Its clear you're not one of them. Another good example of stupid carebear is one that uses cap stable fits [see above]. If you flying solo and have the time to keep an eye on your cap I agree you don't need to be cap stable. So instead of been a short sighted noob... you should first see how the person you trashing plays the game.. looking at previous posts is rather difficult... so I guess its beyond your abilities... but to save you time... I dual box with this and a NM. This does all the tanking and I don't have to worry about it blowing up. All I have to do is switch targets and then back to NM. And if carebears were so stupid.. how on earth could they afford this tengu and a faction fit NM. Troll along now....
Spineker Caldari State 41	Posted - 2011.11.09 18:57:00 - [29] - Quote EvEa Deva wrote: It appears carebears have hurt Emperor Salazars butt in some way. He is always butthurt maybe his wife ran off with a carebear... Or he is twelve. Oh and just to add he thinks calling someone stupid makes him look intelligent... What it does it get people laugh at him as he deserves.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 126	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:08:00 - [30] - Quote My alt did level 4 in this fit with minimal missile skills. Orbit the warp-in beacon at 5 km or the next gate at 500 m (gates are huge), and shoot smallest to largest, giving priority to webbers. I ignored triggers and had no problems. You can use T1 launchers, but that really is a crime on a Tengu. This isn't the best fit, but it works, and is cheap. [Tengu, Basic] Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Shield Boost Amplifier I Dread Guristas Photon Scattering Field Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 10MN Afterburner II Medium Shield Booster II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

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